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747 Over Lehigh Valley (ABE) On 23 Jun 08  
User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I saw a 747 flying over my house a few miles from ABE on Tuesday around 2030 hours. Can anyone shed some light on this unusual occurrence? It was sunset so I couldn't see winglets or colors. It went right over me, engines not particularly loud, flying straight to the south at fairly low altitude (8-10k, maybe?)

FlightAware doesn't have any 747 flights to/from ABE, AVP, PHL, EWR, or NXX that would fit the description. Any reason for military flights in the area (VC-25, E-4B)? NXX is about 30 nm south of ABE.

Unless I missed something on FlightAware, I'm stumped. Can anyone clue me in?

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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

There are probably dozens of 747's flying over ABE on any given day coming or going across the Atlantic. Did you mean it was flying at low altitude? My guess was that it was traffic going to/from JFK, EWR, PHL, or possibly even IAD. Or possibly even
McGuire or Dover AFB if it was military or a military charter? If there was nasty weather at any of these locations, that'd only further the chances it was from one of these airports as they might have been flying uncommon arrivals to detour around weather cells.

[Edited 2008-06-23 22:33:21]

[Edited 2008-06-23 22:39:38]

User currently offlineCO 757-300 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

looking at passur, assuming your date and time are correct.
the only thing that comes close to that criteria would be a BA 744 decending into IAD @ FL210


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

One thought is heavy thunderstorms passing through could have caused some transatlantic flights into EWR or PHL to do big holding-pattern loops to keep traffic spaced properly.

[Edited 2008-06-24 06:40:57]

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2453 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Possibilities:

SOO200 ETAR (Ramstein AFB) - WRI (McGuire AFB) arr WRI 20:53
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...0/history/20080623/1505Z/ETAR/KWRI

CPA888 YVR-JFK arr JFK 20:53
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...8/history/20080624/2015Z/CYVR/KJFK

BAW113 LHR-JFK arr JFK 20:57
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20080623/1509Z/EGLL/KJFK



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2373 times:



Quoting CFMitch56 (Thread starter):
at fairly low altitude (8-10k, maybe?)



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 1):
Did you mean it was flying at low altitude?

The 747s that fly routinely over ABE are up much higher than this one, and are neither seen nor heard except for the contrails. This was an exception to that.

I forgot about the civilian flights into WRI. Southern Air 200 seems to fit the bill. I can't get FlightAware to show me the track log (lat/long) for that time, but it would make sense if it were taking a big 50 nm circle around to avoid traffic/storms, whatever. At 200 kts going in a straight line, it would take 27 min to get to WRI, and SOO200 landed at 2053.

FYI, JFK is 76 nm, DOV is 90 nm, WRI is only 54 nm from ABE.

Thanks for your detective work!


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1920 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

What about the 747SP that was based at ABE for awhile could it have returned???

User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2160 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 6):
What about the 747SP that was based at ABE for awhile could it have returned???

I've never heard of such a thing. When was there ever a 747 based at ABE? It certainly wasn't the one I saw, but I'd like to know what you're getting at.


User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2072 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 6):
What about the 747SP that was based at ABE for awhile could it have returned???

You might be thinking of Global Peace Ambassadors, they were at MDT for a while.


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1920 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Yes I was thinking of the Global Peace SP, I thought it was at ABE for a while...

User currently offlineAndrewC75 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

My step father-in-law has lived near ABE all his life and says AF1 crew used to do training there. Any chance it was a VC-25?

User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1726 times:



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 10):
My step father-in-law has lived near ABE all his life and says AF1 crew used to do training there.

I read this thread yesterday and thought I would finally stop lurking and sign up. I was going to offer the same insights. I grew up in the ABE area and it was very common to see the VC-25 (747) doing touch & goes for a few hours. I remember skiing at Blue Mtn. a little north of the the Allentown area one day & saw it many times that afternoon.

It was quite a sight to see, when the largest we saw was a MD-80, 727, or 737.


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