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UA Closing FLL And PBI- Rumour  
User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

A friend who works for UA at MCO just called to advise that UA was closing FLL and PBI. Anyone heard anything? I wonder if they'd add more MIA flights or just keep a minimal South Florida presence and let CO/US pick up the slack.

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Doesnt make sense, especially if they close FLL only to add in MIA..ORD-MIA belogns to AA, it would be tougher in ORD-MIA than in ORD-FLL IMO......let CO/US pick up teh slack??? Where to ORD, DEN? I dont think so. IT also doesnt make sense unless they have a JV with US/CO.


From 1999-2001, I flew UA 777s and 763s regulairly ORD-MIA. Today it is just E70


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8485 times:

It doesn't surprise me after reading about 100 of their airplanes getting parked soon. That tells me some pilots and F.A.'s are getting the iggie as well as some stations. Looks like the first
round of discontinued cities is in Florida. I'm sure there are more to be announced over the
next month or two.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8462 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
let CO/US pick up teh slack??? Where to ORD, DEN? I dont think so. IT also doesnt make sense unless they have a JV with US/CO.


From 1999-2001, I flew UA 777s and 763s regulairly ORD-MIA. Today it is just E70

Just to pick up the slack for any loyal UA pax, if any left in South Florida or *A pax. There was, at one point, a sizeable Mileage Plus population down here, but I think that's all withered away by now.

I remember those days; I was still working for UA at MIA. We had 777/763 to LAX and SFO as well, and for a time, a Winter 777 to DEN.

Have you heard anything on FLL/PBI?


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8282 times:

By pulling out of both cities this would only affect a grand total of five UA mainline departures, so it would not be any surprise if this rumor were true. CO and CO Connection has over 50 departures daily out of FLL and around 20 from PBI. This would all get picked back up with the codesharing UA will have with CO.

User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8150 times:

I did hear today that UA was at least pulling DEN-FLL. This rumor came in from DIA today...


The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
User currently offlineServisair From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8057 times:

I heard the same thing with some good friends in the upper ranks...


30 Yeras in the Biz...
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8025 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Thread starter):
A friend who works for UA at MCO just called to advise that UA was closing FLL and PBI.

And just what does this friend do for UA at MCO? Are they in a position of authority (i.e. manager), or just in a position to spread rumors?

Are FLL and PBI mainline stations? I can't see UA pulling out all together, but could see them transitioning to a 3rd party vendor to ground handle.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8007 times:

They're down to barebones service, but even so, it would surprise me. I think you'll see at least PBI downgraded to E170s before they completely axe it. FLL could go either way, since it's a Ted market. They need token service presence in these markets to appease their FFs - like what they've pulled MIA down to. It may only be a couple times a day, but it's still an F-equipped E170.

User currently offlineAirborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7955 times:

Starting in late NOV

NO more RJ"s to miami..


2 airbus flights to ord
2 airbus flights to IAD


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7952 times:

I can see them pulling out with out thinking about it. Ever since they left the MIA mini-hub UA in South Florida has been nothing. They have a very small presence in MIA so its not like pulling out of FLL and PBI will hurt them much.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineAirborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7931 times:

i wonder if they are doing this to kill the commuters ..... thousands of commuters to IAD-ORD
for work..


This will really suck....


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7902 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 7):
And just what does this friend do for UA at MCO? Are they in a position of authority (i.e. manager), or just in a position to spread rumors?

I have been on here a short time and from what I have read the majority of statements made on Airliners.net seem to be rumor based. The fact alone is that a lot of people have learned/learn things on this website first. There are other threads being discussed about airlines dropping stations and suspending routes, without the airlines adding a PR statement on the issues. Does that make them any less rumor?

While single out and attack a person how is otherwise sharing information with the forum from a source inside of United Airlines? If it is proven to be false, we dont have to believe everything we read, even if it is the truth and it hurts.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
Doesnt make sense, especially if they close FLL only to add in MIA..ORD-MIA belogns to AA, it would be tougher in ORD-MIA than in ORD-FLL IMO......let CO/US pick up teh slack???

I am not surprised. I think the figure that United Airlines serves to PBI is 1 flight per day, and FLL is 4 flights per day. I would call closing skeleton stations such as FLL and PBI a earth shattering effect on United Airlines overall operation. It would make sense for United Airlines to direct their focus on the Miami market, there for being able to worry less about the notorious yield of PBI and FLL, and focus more on the higher demand/yield of the Miami market. United Airlines wont lose anything out of this. If their passengers want to continue to fly PBI and FLL that would be able to do so on US Airways. Dont consider the Continental Airlines/United Airlines agreement as a "done deal".


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7855 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 7):
And just what does this friend do for UA at MCO? Are they in a position of authority (i.e. manager), or just in a position to spread rumors?

I have been on here a short time and from what I have read the majority of statements made on Airliners.net seem to be rumor based. The fact alone is that a lot of people have learned/learn things on this website first. There are other threads being discussed about airlines dropping stations and suspending routes, without the airlines adding a PR statement on the issues. Does that make them any less rumor?

While single out and attack a person how is otherwise sharing information with the forum from a source inside of United Airlines? If it is proven to be false, we dont have to believe everything we read, even if it is the truth and it hurts.

She's a CSR at MCO; does it really make a difference especially as I clearly disclosed in my title that it was a rumour? Couldn't have said it better than Lambert; if it's true, then you heard it first on a.net and if not, then chalk it up to another of the many rumours posted here. And by the way, Lambert, welcome to my RU list!!!


User currently offlineUnitedSuperDC8 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7854 times:



Quoting Airborne1 (Reply 11):
i wonder if they are doing this to kill the commuters

I seriously doubt people sit around making decisions with commuters anywhere in mind. No one cares about commuters except commuters themselves.



No thanks - keep the 'Change'.....Al Gore invented two things: the internet & global warming
User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7843 times:



Quoting Airborne1 (Reply 9):
2 airbus flights to ord
2 airbus flights to IAD

How about DEN?


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7752 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 15):
How about DEN?

1x Ted A320


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7655 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
I am not surprised. I think the figure that United Airlines serves to PBI is 1 flight per day, and FLL is 4 flights per day. I would call closing skeleton stations such as FLL and PBI a earth shattering effect on United Airlines overall operation.

 checkmark Still, with JAX back to mainline, it's surprising to see other Florida stations failing. JAX and South Florida aren't the same market by any means, but they have many of the same challenges.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
It would make sense for United Airlines to direct their focus on the Miami market, there for being able to worry less about the notorious yield of PBI and FLL,

Is PBI really a worse-yielding station than MIA (for carriers besides AA that have similar service levels at the two)?



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7583 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Thread starter):
UA was closing FLL and PBI

 checkmark 

FLL closed eff Sept 2 no downsize...shut...your friend was right. More to come on TED stations.


User currently offlineBrp89 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

When would the FLL station closing be reflected in the reservation system? I have a TED flight out of FLL in Nov. but have not had a schedule change yet.

Thanks,


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7410 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 18):
FLL closed eff Sept 2 no downsize...shut...your friend was right. More to come on TED stations.

Thanks Hiflyer. Any news on PBI?

Compared to the entire network, I know UA's South Florida presence is nothing but a blip. However, as a former UA employee from South Florida, this will affect many of my former co-workers who work at both of these stations. Good luck to all!!


User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

Well, concentrating in MIA would be good for JJ. They will have 4 daily flights from Brazil effective September, with perspective of 1 or 2 more next year.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7162 times:
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PBI has been a small UA city for years, UA has had one flight forever. In the winter some years they have two PBI-ORD flights. When UA tried a TED hub at IAD PBI did get two daily IAD-PBI A320's. SAD to see UA leave PBI but I can understand with the economics of today's market.

User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6994 times:
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Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 20):
Any news on PBI?

tomorrow!



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User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

That would be sad - my first-ever flight was a UA 727 from CLE-FLL back when I moved here on Nov. 7, 1980. That's when CLE was big with UA and each station was seeing DC-10s...times sure have changed. I am surprised by this move, though. I always wondered why there was no IAD-FLL or IAD-PBI flights at least on a CR7 or something. I know TED operated A32S because I flew that routing once from CLE-IAD-FLL, but that's no more correct?

25 Amwest2United : Southwest - JetBlue - Spirit You can't make money in a city that is mostly vacation travelers and cruise traffic. MIA will do well, its not a LCC cit
26 FlyguyPBI : With WN in the market now, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
27 Cubsrule : I'm not sure how much the connections matter, though. Does UA codeshare with anyone besides TA and JJ southbound from MIA? UA flies IAD-GRU on their
28 ZKEOJ : I second that - just added you a minute before I read Ualcsr's post Cheers micha
29 UnitedTristar : I am going to have to go ahead and call bull shit on this rumor. FLL is not going anywhere any time soon. I can see PBI going to Express, and the pos
30 Cubsrule : What's happened in RSW? It saw multiple daily 75s well into this decade and now we're talking about its closure. WN came to town, but the effect seem
31 UnitedTristar : RSW is down to one E70 to ORD per day. There is no reason that UA Mainline employees need to be there. As for PIT, UA makes money there, they even ha
32 Cubsrule : I'm not arguing with that point. Why has UA cut capacity so much?
33 UnitedTristar : not sure...that was always a Q-tip trip anyhow so I can not imagine that the margin's were that high. -m
34 DTWAGENT : Well they are no longer going into SRQ. And I was surprised when they pulled out of there years ago. So it does not shock me to see them pulling out o
35 FlyMIA : Yes but JJ flys to Belem, Fortaleza, Manaus, Natal (seasonal), Recife (seasonal), Salvador da Bahia, Sao Paulo-Guarulhos from Miami and TA flys to Gu
36 John : Doesn't surprise me about PBI...US carries most of UA's passengers out of PBI anyway, thru the codeshare.
37 Hiflyer : FLL employees were called in Tuesday and advised of the shutdown.
38 NWAESC : What the heck's a Q-tip trip?
39 UnitedTristar : when standing in the front of the aircraft looking back its just a bunch of white heads...looks like the aircraft is filled with Q-tips.... white hai
40 Cubsrule : Right, but IAD-GRU-SSA (for instance) is just as easy as IAD-MIA-SSA. A similar argument can be made for TA (in fact, it's a better argument for TA s
41 Lambert747 : There is of course a 2hour 20minute flight backtrack when a person opts for IAD-GRU-SSA.
42 Cubsrule : More like 1 hour 20. It's about an 850 mile difference.
43 NWAESC : Thanks for the info; that's comedy gold!
44 Post contains links Lambert747 : I have flown the route over 4 times in the past two years, trust me, it is more like 2hours and few minutes, and then some. GIG-SSA about 2 hours as
45 MOBflyer : If it adds any insight to the thread, here's a breakdown of each route from MIA, FLL, and PBI for UA. All data from PAXstats. From MIA: Dst ....... LF
46 Cubsrule : Right, but you're ignoring the fact that MIA is out of the way as well. A direct IAD-Brazil route does not pass over Florida.
47 Jfk777 : sad to see United leave South Florida after all these years. Miami is not the kind of airport UA should fly a hand full of flights from ORD & DEN.
48 B6fll : Has there been any confirmation that this rumor is true?
49 Post contains links Petteri : It's now in one of the local rags... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-0625airlines,0,5137176.story
50 Post contains links Lambert747 : Breaking News in the local markets being hit by the closure of UAL in those cities: http://www.wptv.com/content/breaking...1d3c38-1743-49e5-8f85-c2a9
51 UnitedTristar : wow...knock me over with a feather...I cannot imagine FLL with no UA service!!! -m
52 RSWA330 : Unlike FLL, RSW is the only airport that serves the region. While UA definately has a bare bones operation here, I think they still find RSW a viable
53 UnitedTristar : not saying that...but they are not going to go buy a last minute business fare, they are going to buy the cheapest fare they can. See what I mean? I
54 MAH4546 : So what? Compared to retirees in Palm Beach, those in Fort Myers are probably poor. The fact remains that no matter how rich a retiree might be, that
55 Platinumfoota : They are going into survival mode, if a route has Lil or no chance of making a good profit, they are cutting it. By bringing their capacity down, the
56 RSWA330 : I was actually referring to the ones in Naples, Marco Island, Bonita Springs, and the outer islands. Despite common thought, there are few retirees i
57 MAH4546 : In the case of Chicago, the fare difference spread between MIA, RSW, PBI, FLL, and TPA, is $13.
58 Cubsrule : The drawdown of RSW predates the recent move into 'survival mode.' Something else is going on.
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