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Any New Service To ITH?  
User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Hello All,

I have just accepted a job in Ithaca, NY (as faculty in a large university in the area). One of the prime considerations to moving there is that there is good airline service from Tompkins County Airport (ITH). As of now the airport sees service from NW (DTW; CRJ and SF3) and US (LGA; SF3, PHL; DH8 and CRJ). I think that's it. but corrections would be appreciated.

Does anyone know if there are any plans on the horizon for new services to ITH? Are current services under the axe?

Thanks
Halophila


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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

I don't see any new service on the horizon but the airport is undergoing some infrastructure improvements as per a News10Now article:
http://news10now.com/Default.aspx?ArID=118700
Right now many people from Ithaca drive up to SYR or down to ELM and BGM as those place (especially SYR) have more flights.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3150 times:



Quoting Halophila (Thread starter):
As of now the airport sees service from NW (DTW; CRJ and SF3) and US (LGA; SF3, PHL; DH8 and CRJ).

NW & US are the only ones there.

NW only runs SF3's into ITH. Two daily Saabs to DTW.

Quoting Halophila (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if there are any plans on the horizon for new services to ITH? Are current services under the axe?

Don't expect any new service now, with the industry in full crisis mode in response to the cost of fuel. Airports should consider themselves lucky if they escape any significant cuts.

That said, when NW announced their additional 4th quarter capacity cuts last week they said they would not be closing any domestic stations. Based on that comment ITH is safe. NW had traditionally done very well in smaller markets, and ITH has been able to hold its own for several years now. Plus, it is easier to change fares that make money in smaller markets due to the lack of cutthroat competition.

I wouldn't forsee US leaving either as they still have a stronghold in many of the smaller Mid-Atlantic & Northeast markets.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3143 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Don't expect any new service now, with the industry in full crisis mode in response to the cost of fuel. Airports should consider themselves lucky if they escape any significant cuts.

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Well said! Everyone should be happy to hang on to what they have right now!


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

One has to look no further than DL which is pulling out of markets left & right in the region to see that there are cuts.

ERI
BGM
SCE

TOL-ATL gone (still has CVG service)

Granted, all of these markets have NW service to DTW, and with the cost of fuel, it makes much more sense to route these markets over DTW than ATL or a significantly cut-back CVG.

DL will get right back into these markets in 2009 with the pending merger, but the days of hub overflying to small markets appears to be long gone.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Yeah everyone around here is wondering if DL will keep TOL-CVG running, or pull it before the merger. Once the 135's are gone, its going to be tough for DL to sell enough seats to make it viable.....

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

How long is ITH's runway?

In January, 1994, I was flying on a US F 100 PIT-ELM-ITH. The F 100 had brake problems, and although the runway at ELM was long enough for us to land, the runway at ITH was not. All the ITH passengers were forced to get off at ELM, and take a hastily chartered bus to ITH.

Has the ITH runway been extended since then?



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

If ITH, ELM, and BGM (a triangle that measures 27x28x41nautical miles) had a few brains and a little more money, they would build a consolidated airport that might have enough traffic to sustain itself. Instead they try to operate three airports, none of which is worth any airline's trouble.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3063 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
If ITH, ELM, and BGM (a triangle that measures 27x28x41nautical miles) had a few brains and a little more money, they would build a consolidated airport that might have enough traffic to sustain itself. Instead they try to operate three airports, none of which is worth any airline's trouble.

All three still manage to sustain themselves but the fuel cost picture may drive them into the ground.

These airports leak a ton of passengers to AVP, ALB, and SYR for cheap fares & more nonstops.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

The State of New York has a local airport assistance program. A joint airport sounds like a perfect project.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Excellent information, thanks folks.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
NW only runs SF3's into ITH. Two daily Saabs to DTW.

I see they are upgrading the evening service in, and early morning service out of DTW-ITH to a CRJ sometime in the summer. I just booked it for late September!

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 1):
Right now many people from Ithaca drive up to SYR or down to ELM and BGM as those place (especially SYR) have more flights.

True, I last went to CU by flying into SYR. Though I have to say I'd easily pay an extra 10 - 20 % for a flight into/out of ITH since I have problems driving.

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 1):
I don't see any new service on the horizon but the airport is undergoing some infrastructure improvements as per a

This a great news. I'm surprised Cornell didn't kick in some of the funding, since they have invested heavily in the area.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 6):
Has the ITH runway been extended since then?

I'm not sure, but how much different are the runway requirements between a CRJ and an F100?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Check the OAG today Smile


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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2927 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Check the OAG today

What does that say? Bad loads or something?



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2906 times:



Quoting Halophila (Reply 10):
I see they are upgrading the evening service in, and early morning service out of DTW-ITH to a CRJ sometime in the summer. I just booked it for late September!



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Check the OAG today

I'm seeing what Halophilia is seeing, the evening DTW-ITH flight goes from a Saab to a CRJ in September. The afternoon remains a Saab.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2825 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
I'm seeing what Halophilia is seeing, the evening DTW-ITH flight goes from a Saab to a CRJ in September. The afternoon remains a Saab.

Check continental.com now....4x daily EWRITH starting October 2008 Smile



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2810 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
Check continental.com now....4x daily EWRITH starting October 2008 Smile

Did not know they were bringing the Dash 8-200s into EWR now.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2781 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
Check continental.com now....4x daily EWRITH starting October 2008

Interesting find. I'm seeing 3x EWR-ITH, 4x ITH-EWR

CO 8754 EWR ITH 0800 0925 Q200
CO 8643 EWR ITH 1300 1425 Q200
CO 8669 EWR ITH 2100 1125 Q200

CO 8704 ITH EWR 0630 0755 Q200
CO 8706 ITH EWR 0950 1115 Q200
CO 8708 ITH EWR 1445 1610 Q200
CO 8724 ITH EWR 1655 1820 Q200

Is there a one-stop to EWR from another city that stops in ITH on the way?

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):
Did not know they were bringing the Dash 8-200s into EWR now.

Any other good finds out there? This one hasn't been officially announced yet.


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

I was doing a random search for October 6 and found Dash 8-200's going to SYR, BDL, ITH (new 4x daily route), MDT (new 4x daily route), IAD, PHL, AVP (new 4x daily route). It appears that the 200's are being brought in to replace the E-135's at EWR and to introduce new short range routes that are better suited to turbo props. I have a feeling that they'll use the gates 114-115 because these gates are designed for regional jets and turboprops.

User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2653 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
If ITH, ELM, and BGM (a triangle that measures 27x28x41nautical miles) had a few brains and a little more money, they would build a consolidated airport that might have enough traffic to sustain itself.

One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of people who fly into ITH are people who are willing to pay extra for the convenience of ITH for getting to Ithaca/Cornell/Ithaca College. If ITH were to close for a consolidated airport with ELM and BGM, they would just as likely fly to SYR once they lose the convenience of ITH. One reason ITH survives it because the fares the airlines can charge for ITH are higher than ELM or BGM or SYR.


User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2650 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
These airports leak a ton of passengers to AVP, ALB, and SYR for cheap fares & more nonstops.

I would disagree about leaking to ALB, it is 3 hours from Ithaca or Binghamton, and even further from Elmira/Corning. But Ithaca definitely leaks to SYR!


User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Halophila, welcome the area! I've talked to several Cornell people (Profs/Administrators) who have had so many bad experiences flying US from ITH (connecting through PHL is bad, lost luggage, missed connections, etc), that they prefer to drive the 3-4 hours to EWR if they can get a non-stop from EWR to their final destination. This especially makes sense if you get a group of people all going from Ithaca to the same conference/workshop/meeting who can share one car. The new CO service could be very popular, of course given the traffic problems in EWR, I'd worry about missed connection there also.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2607 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
Any other good finds out there? This one hasn't been officially announced yet.

It appears CO is shifting about 25 DH2 departures from CLE to EWR. EWR routes are AVP, PHL, MDT, IAD, BDL, ITH, and SYR.

CLE is getting more ERJ's to replace the DH2's almost one-for-one.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2601 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 7):
If ITH, ELM, and BGM (a triangle that measures 27x28x41nautical miles) had a few brains and a little more money, they would build a consolidated airport that might have enough traffic to sustain itself. Instead they try to operate three airports, none of which is worth any airline's trouble.

Exactly where would this airport go? Not many large flat places in that region. Unless you considered one of the existing ones (ITH, ELM, or BGM) as the surviving consolidated airport; I guess BGM is the largest of the 3.

My father-in-law used to take flights out of ITH that often stopped at ELM. Either US/Allegheny or Empire. He wondered if it might have been more efficient to just taxi down Rt 13.

-Rampart


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

There's a problem with BGM, it's not to easy to get to from any major roads like 81. ELM would be a better bet as it stradells a major highway that leads to both Elmira and Binghamton itself.

User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2552 times:



Quoting Burj (Reply 19):
I would disagree about leaking to ALB, it is 3 hours from Ithaca or Binghamton, and even further from Elmira/Corning. But Ithaca definitely leaks to SYR!

Yes it they do. ALB has WN. People will easily drive 3 hours for WN flights.

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 23):
There's a problem with BGM, it's not to easy to get to from any major roads like 81

Agreed. BGM is is sort of an obscure location. Not easily accessible from any major highway.


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