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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Can the large hotel groups like Sheraton for example run an airline Confused


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User currently offlineDrukAir_BAe146 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Yeah! And then we can have Delta Inn and Suites! Or Airtran, your local burger joint.

In the future, maybe we will have Boeing cars, and Ford airplanes...


User currently offlineDrukAir_BAe146 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

Ok, ok...I know there was the Trimotor.

But I was thinking of "The Flying Taurus"


User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Some hotels have charters to their popular locations.

Ren41


User currently offlineGiantJets From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Until the late 80s or 1990 before Pan Am has its turn, the company used to own the largest hotel chain, the Intercontinental Hotel. I think they sold it for around $500 million to another company. today Japan Airlines own the hotel chain, Hotel Nikko. There are probably many airlines that own hotels around the world but for sure I know that ANA have a ANA Hotel in Washington D.C. and Thai Airways Int'l. owns the Amari Hotel in Bangkok.

Giantjets...


User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

National Airlines is heavily subsidized by the Las Vegas hotels; one could consider them more or less a "hotel" airline.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39858 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Blackstar Airlines will be based out of Las Vegas and will operate 747 classics!  Big thumbs up

They will have prenty of room to make hotel accomodations in those great jets!



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User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

I can see it now. "Air Motel Six"  Smile They will rent out the sleeper cabins in quarter hour intervals.  Smile

I can't beleive I just said that!


User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

What about CityBird? Isn't that airline run by a hotel chain?

User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

yes citybird is a sister company from cityhotels belgium
which approximaty 12 hotels in Belgium and USA


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

What i meant was can they operate as "Sheraton Airlines" Smile


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User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

United was owned by the Pritzker family (which also owns Hyatt); Penta is owned by a group of airlines including Lufthansa and Swissair; Sabena has its own chain of hotels; Aer Lingus owns Copthorne Hotels (formerly owned by British Caledonian); Voyager Group (owner of Virgin Atlantic) also owns some very upmarket hotels, including Necker Island; SAS has the Radisson group .... and so on

User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Actually, United was not owned by Pritzker, it was Braniff 2. Pritzker started Braniff 2 in 1984, then sold it in '87 I believe. He sold it to a group of investors with a buch of Piedmont guys who were looking for a job after then USAir bought their airline out. They then succeeded in running the airline into the ground, but that's a whole other thread.

Also KLM owns a large stake in the Golden Tulip hotels.



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User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

There is Radisson SAS hotel in Helsinki.


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AY-MD11


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 1201 times:

Yeah, Neil your a little off on this one.

The big Chicago business family, the Pritzkers own all the Hyatt brands (Grand Hyatt, Park Hyatt, Hyatt Regency etc...) in addition to owning the Best Inns, Microtel Inns, and Hawthorne Suites brands. Pritkers did own Braniff 2 (with the white and maroon A320s), but got rid of it.

United has never been associated with a hotel chain.

As mentioned, Pan Am owned Inter-Continental hotels, but sold it. It is now owned by Holiday Inn parents Bass Lodging Group in Atlanta (a subsidiary of the British firm Bass PLC).

At one time, Hilton International and TWA were owned by the same firm, but TWA was spun off and Hilton International was acquired by Ladbrooke in England. Ladbrooke has since been renamed Hilton International and is not related to the US firm Hilton Inc. based in Beverly Hills, CA.

SAir group owns the Swissotel chain, but most hotels (including the DC and NY properties) are franchised and owned by an American REIT called Doral (formerly MeriStar).

SAS owns a piece of the SAS Radison Group which is a joint venture between the Scandinavian airline and the Mineapolis based parent of Radison: Carlson Companies. Few of the actual SAS Radison Hotels are owned by Carlson, but the brand is.

JAL owns the Hotel Nikko brand, which has a very limited presence in the US. The former Essex House in NYC, which was a Nikko is now owned by Starwood and operated as a Westin.

ANA owns ANA Hotels, also very few of which are located stateside.

Turkish Airlines owns the very large Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan.

Harrah's Entertainment is a major investor in National Airlines.

Airmale, Sheraton is a subsidiary of the US hotel giant, Starwood Lodging Group in White Plains, NY. Starwood also owns: Westin, Four Points, W, St. Regis, and The Luxury Collection.


User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Turkish Airlines owns the Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan????

Sheeeesh. That place was an expensive DUMP when my sister and brother-in-law stayed there four years ago.

They've renovated since, so I guess Turkish must've bought it right before then.


User currently offlineClipper001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

United used to own Westin and Hertz. Wasn't it Ferris who started out at Westin and then had the idea for Allegis to integrate United, Westin and Hertz?

User currently offlineRedraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Correct, UAL did own Westin which was to be a key to the Allegis empire.

Didn't AA also run a hotel chain? I think most of the US majors either owned or were stockholders in hotel chains back in the day.



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User currently offlineWorldVoyager From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Doesn't SAir have a hotel chain?

Swisshotel or something?


User currently offlineClipper001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

SAir Corp does own the Swissotel chain. When Canadian was Canadian Pacific Airlines and was owned by Canadian Pacific they also had Canadian Pacific Hotels. However, the hotels were originally built to complement CP's railroad operations.

User currently offlineRepublic From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Air France and Hotel Meridien used to be linked. Maybe both were state owned?

In my sophmore year of college, I worked at the receptionist desk at the Hotel Meridien in Houston. The Air France crews stayed with us. Word got out to our frequent business guests that the Air France stewardesses liked to walk around topless on the floor they were assigned, as they went to visit their co worker's room or went to the ice and soda machines. Several of our male guests would resort to begging to be assigned to this floor in the hopes of ... Needless to say, we hotel employees made frequent checks of the Air France floor every night.

Rgds,
Joe


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

PIA-Pakistan International Airlines own the Roosevelt in Manhattan, unless theyve sold it to Turkish Airlines now Smile


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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Actually back in the 70's American Airlines owned is own chain of hotels. "Americana" hotels as they were called. The last one was sold in the early 80's the "Ala Moana Americana" in Honolulu. I assume the chain was sold due to overall profitability as the industry was just starting to get into deregualtion, and so the theme "Fly American, Stay Americana" was permanently retired. As for now I guess the airlines would rather just do that run airlines. With the frequent traveler programs outthere it really does not seem necessary to add the additional expense of running a hotel chain as well.


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

The Ala Moana Palace is a first rate hotel in Honolulu. A real great place.

Azaad, your right I think its PIA, not THY who owns the Roosevelt. My mistake.

The Le Meridian chain was recently sold to one of the large British hospitality firms recently. Can't remember which one right now.

rgds
russ


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