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DAL: Love Field Master Plan  
User currently offlineDfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

It looks like they are going with Option C:
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=29574@ktvt.dayport.com

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http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ead.main/3959537/?threadid=3959537

An updated to the Love Field Modernization Program has been posted here:
http://dallascityhall.com/committee_.../TEC_LoveFieldMP_Update_042808.pdf

* Implements the 20-gate limit through reduced terminal size.
* Costs will be charged to airline rate base.
* City and Southwest Airlines will cooperate to determine the best methods
to design, fund and manage the project.

These are three options for facilities upgrades to be completed by 2017, or by 2014 with a "creative approach":


http://www.imgsync.com/data/img/1338942TEC_LoveFieldMP_Update_042808A.jpg

http://www.imgsync.com/data/img/6377918TEC_LoveFieldMP_Update_042808B.jpg

http://www.imgsync.com/data/img/8623269TEC_LoveFieldMP_Update_042808C.jpg

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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Option C looks good to me from a users perspective the concourse has simpler layout but it also looks like it would take the most new construction.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Plus, if all goes to plan, it should be open a few years before the 2018 expiration on Wright.  Smile


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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

I have clients that already prefer DAL to DFW and when the construction is done even more people would prefer it. It reminds me of the effect that the new MDW had here in Chicago.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

According to the TV report, it'll be open by 2014, which just so happens to be the expiration of the Wright limitations.

The TV report also mentions an underground connection to DART, which I presume to be the DART station on the Green line that's under construction now. It's pretty much across the street from SWA's HQ.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

The connection to the DART Rail Station probably won't be open until the new concourse is built, right? The Green Line is set to be opening in 2009 with a stop at Love Field, and the Orange Line will open in 2010 to DFW Airport, and a stop at Love Field.


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User currently offlinePennStation From United States of America, joined May 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

DART expansion schedule: Green Line Love Field stop - Dec 2010, Orange Line all the way to DFW - Dec 2013.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5726 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

What!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I was really pushing to keep the existing concourses.
This is a crying shame.


Anyhow, in other news, did anyone notice that AAEagle seems to be launching nonstops to ORD? I first found them through Northwest's website, ironically.
But did I miss a press release or something here?


User currently offlineCjpark From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

This is such a terrible waste 30 million a gate just for an airport that no other airlines will be able to use. And that does not include the price of bringing down the Legend terminal. Hopefully common sense will prevail with the people mover. How much can a side walk cost?


"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart
User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

DFW got their glamorous Terminal D, now it is DAL's turn for a new Terminal. Just because you hate WN doesn't mean they shouldn't get to fly out of an airport almost by themselves with a new terminal.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2938 times:



Quoting Cjpark (Reply 8):
This is such a terrible waste 30 million a gate just for an airport that no other airlines will be able to use.

Southwest didn't push for the money to be spent on modernizing the DAL terminal; AA did. And as the largest user of DAL, Southwest and its passengers would be on the hook for the costs of the terminal. You should like that since DAL will end up closer in cost to DFW.

Quoting Cjpark (Reply 8):
Hopefully common sense will prevail with the people mover. How much can a side walk cost?

Well, why didn't they just build sidewalks to connect the terminals at DFW?


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2811 times:



Quoting Cjpark (Reply 8):
This is such a terrible waste 30 million a gate just for an airport that no other airlines will be able to use. And that does not include the price of bringing down the Legend terminal. Hopefully common sense will prevail with the people mover. How much can a side walk cost?

In a similar thread about the Love Field Master Plan back in April, you said

Quote:
It will be very interesting to see which plan is selected to built the ultimate monument to Herb's ego. Most likely it will be the most extravagant one with the lion share of the passed off to the city of Dallas. Concerning the people mover, well the compromise does allow the city to use airport user fees to build it. Wonder what pax would think of a 10 to 20 dollar tab per ticket to pay the cost?

So why would you care how much it costs per gate? It's not your money (or the taxpayer's money) being used for this project, as you implied it would be back in April. And why would you care whether they use a people mover or a sidewalk? We all know that you'll never have to pay a $10 to $20 tab per ticket to use it, because you wouldn't be caught dead at Love Field, which is fine. I'm sure there will be enough Dallasites wanting to support their own city's smaller economic engine, and you can continue to support the be-all end-all economic engine of North Texas.

If you think it's a waste of money, (and I totally agree that tearing down the Legend Terminal is a waste of money) go talk to AA, DFW and the City of Forth Worth. As ScottB pointed out, it was AA (and DFW & Forth Worth) who pushed for Love Field's modernization so that overall airport costs at Love Field would go up making it and DFW on a more level playing field and it was they (and Laura Miller) who wanted to de-commission and tear down the Legend Terminal. BTW, the original compromise called for DAL improvements of around $200 million and now it's going to cost three times that much. I'm quite sure AA, DFW and the City of Fort Worth are thrilled even if you're not.

While I like the idea of a new central concourse, I really wish they would restore the main lobby to it's original condition when it first opened in 1958, including ripping out the offices up on the mezzanine level and restoring the mezzanine seating area, (and windows which looked out over the old observation deck.) It would be a great place for meeters and greeters to wait. I'd also like to see the world map on the lobby floor restored, but I'm not holding my breath.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5726 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2685 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
I'd also like to see the world map on the lobby floor restored, but I'm not holding my breath.

It doesn't really need to be restored. I could stand to be updated, since about half of the countries that existed in 1958 no longer do, but I kind of like it the way it is.
Now if we could just get the danged TSA to take their danged stanchions off of it, we'd have it made.

I wish they'd restore the lobby too.... it was the coolest airport in the nation at the time it opened; why on earth would they deliberately make it duller?


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
It doesn't really need to be restored. I could stand to be updated, since about half of the countries that existed in 1958 no longer do, but I kind of like it the way it is.

By "restored" I guess I actually meant "cleaned and polished."  Smile And I hope they don't update the map. I like seeing all those old places like Rhodesia, etc.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineDfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Dallas City Council vows to fund Love Field modernization
12:00 AM CDT on Thursday, June 26, 2008
By RUDOLPH BUSH / The Dallas Morning News
rbush@dallasnews.com
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...n1.4d6e617.html

The Dallas City Council resolved Wednesday to fund the modernization of Love Field, a massive project that will see the airport undergo major construction through 2014.

The plan includes an agreement among the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth, Southwest and American airlines and Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

The modernization project, which probably will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, is not expected to cost taxpayers anything. But fees will increase on tickets into and out of Love Field.


User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

It will be interesting to see how they build the concourse without interrupting operations. They will probably go about it the same way they did at Houston Hobby. I thought SWA had offices in the central concourse? Where will they be relocated to?

Whats funny is the thought of limiting gates to 20. As if thats going to hamper SWA growth. Hello folks, this is the same airline that routinely turn aircfraft in 20 minutes. That means SWA's 18 gates could theoretically handle 360 flights a day easily.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Sorry, I guess I was a little wrong with those dates. I knew those were the years that each line would open; maybe just not to any airports though.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5726 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2454 times:



Quoting William (Reply 15):
Whats funny is the thought of limiting gates to 20. As if thats going to hamper SWA growth.

Of course it will hamper their growth. Of the 20, AA and CO get two each, which leaves WN with 16. I think they're running 17 now, and even if they're not, 16 isn't a lot of gates for the hometown carrier.

Quoting William (Reply 15):
Where will they be relocated to?

I'm hoping that they'll be put into the 'skyscraper' portion (my name for it, not official title) of the main terminal. I don't know that anyone is officing up there anymore. I mean, they might be, I wouldn't know it. But if not, that'd be cool.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 13):
And I hope they don't update the map. I like seeing all those old places like Rhodesia, etc.

Gotcha- me too!


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4950 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

I think the finished product will look a lot like HOU.
As for historical value, they'll probably just update the lobby slightly just as they did with the original HOU ticket lobby. Looks pretty much the same as it always did, just added a few modern conveniences.
But I sure hate to see original piers demolished in the name of progress. I still wish they could have found another way to make MDW, at leastr leaving SOME of the original building intact for historical purposes.



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