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AA Annouces Schedule Changes And Station Closures  
User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23983 times:

Schedule Changes



American is reducing flights at all its principle operations, except Miami. This announcement, combined with the previously announced round of schedule reductions, means American will close its operations at three of its airports, while Eagle will close five of its airports, out of a combined total of 250 airports for both. The airports/cities being closed are:



­ American – Oakland, Calif. (previously announced); London Stansted (previously announced); and Barranquilla, Colombia

­ American Eagle – Albany, N.Y.; Providence, R.I.; Harrisburg, Pa.; Samana, Dominican Republic (previously announced); and San Luis Obispo, Calif. American Eagle will also close its maintenance base in San Luis Obispo



American plans to reduce its departures in Chicago by 28 flights with American Eagle reducing 34 departures. In St. Louis, American will reduce departures by eight flights with American Eagle and American Connections reducing 35 departures.



The company also has decided to eliminate five AA flights and 37 American Eagle regional jet departures at LaGuardia Airport. In addition to the expected costs savings, these changes, coupled with appropriate government action, could allow the airport to operate with less congestion and improve customer experience. Dependability and delay issues that exist at LaGuardia prevent airlines from operating cost effectively from this destination, but more importantly, they have a huge impact on all the overall customer service and performance of all airlines with any flights connecting to LaGuardia.

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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23951 times:

They announced the numbers, but not the specifics?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23945 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
In addition to the expected costs savings, these changes, coupled with appropriate government action, could allow the airport to operate with less congestion and improve customer experience.

"We're doing it because we care about you."

Nice spin.  Wink



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23957 times:

How about Dallas/Fort Worth?


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User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23913 times:

The annouces a few of the city closures from ORD. But, they did not announce the specific route cuts from ORD and STL --- Hopefully, more information to follow. Also, I didnt see anything regarding DFW cuts.

User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23867 times:
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It looks like they only announced those that are either slot or facility constrained (LGA, ORD), completely closed (PVD et al) or expected to lose hub status (STL). Weak announcement.

User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23809 times:

I agree - It is a VERY weak announcement. They should have been prepared to annouce something way more substantial!

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7527 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23810 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
American Eagle – Albany, N.Y.; Providence, R.I.; Harrisburg, Pa.; Samana, Dominican Republic (previously announced); and San Luis Obispo, Calif. American Eagle will also close its maintenance base in San Luis Obispo

ALB?
PVD?
MDT?

Wow, you have got to be kidding me. This just shows how weak AA is in the Northeast in secondary markets.

Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
American plans to reduce its departures in Chicago by 28 flights with American Eagle reducing 34 departures. In St. Louis, American will reduce departures by eight flights with American Eagle and American Connections reducing 35 departures.

Well ORD is getting hit harder than expected, and it appears STL is getting hit pretty hard - as expected, too.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23732 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
American plans to reduce its departures in Chicago by 28 flights with American Eagle reducing 34 departures. In St. Louis, American will reduce departures by eight flights with American Eagle and American Connections reducing 35 departures.

About in line with what I expected. At least it shows that they are still somewhat committed to the market long-term. It would have been easy to just shut it down completely. If oil prices stabilize, hopefully American will add some flights back.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23727 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
"We're doing it because we care about you."

LOL bad thing is they will sell the LGA slots to US or DL and they will add more RJ flights.

Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
Barranquilla, Colombia

Where is MAH?
What will AA do with these frequencies?Send them to MIA and up some Colombia flights from there?



yep.
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23656 times:



Quoting LambertMan (Reply 8):
American plans to reduce its departures in Chicago by 28 flights with American Eagle reducing 34 departures. In St. Louis, American will reduce departures by eight flights with American Eagle and American Connections reducing 35 departures.

So that leaves what.... 170 departures at STL?



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23564 times:



Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):

So that leaves what.... 170 departures at STL?

I would say more like 110? Over the past couple years gradual reductions and no additions added up. Plus, Great Lakes doesn't code share with AA which is silly. I can't help but think that would help the overall operation.


User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 833 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23564 times:

Im guessing this means more Trans States in MIA and less in STL?


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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23520 times:

What's the source of this announcement?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23526 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
Wow, you have got to be kidding me. This just shows how weak AA is in the Northeast in secondary markets.

Well, it shows that if you restrict LGA and/or cut down RJ flying into LGA, it's the small markets that lose service.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23407 times:

Not shocked over this one... AA had only 88 daily seats in PVD in their fall schedule. Whats pretty pittiful is that if UA or WN add anyting for CHI itd be a net gain. While its too bad to loose the AA name at PVD, thats pretty much all they are loosing.

Best thing is AA is still on the hook for paying for thier two gates at PVD for a little while longer.

[Edited 2008-06-25 10:10:09]


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23375 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
The company also has decided to eliminate five AA flights and 37 American Eagle regional jet departures at LaGuardia Airport.

That's a huge cut in the Eagle flying from LGA -- over half of the daily departures. I wonder if we're going to see a good chunk of the flights to other airline hubs (i.e. ATL, CVG, CLE, DTW, MEM, CLT) dropped.

Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
­ American Eagle – Albany, N.Y.; Providence, R.I.

I'm pretty shocked to see both of these dropped. Neither ALB nor PVD are tiny markets, though both are dominated by WN. It leaves them with two stations in New England (not that ALB is in New England).


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1553 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23329 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
Schedule Changes

What is the source on all this? Earlier this week I saw a list of flight cuts including MDT. There were flights cut from AZO, FNT, FWA, and MDT among others starting Sep 1. There was no mention of closing MDT.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23327 times:

ALB is surprising..no AA at all? UA will have the ORD market all to themselves!


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23292 times:

I'd like to see cuts from DFW

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23254 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
What will SA)">AA do with these frequencies?Send them to MIA and up some Colombia flights from there?

Barranquilla is open skies, they don't have to worry about losing any frequencies with this cancellation.


SA.


User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23204 times:

19 departures at Dallas/Fort Worth along with 23 American Eagle flight will be reduced. www.aa.com now has the offical announcement.

https://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2008_06/25_capacity.jhtml

[Edited 2008-06-25 10:20:14]

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23175 times:

What is the source of the information?


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User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23178 times:

www.aa.com --- offical company press release

User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23144 times:
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http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...Releases/2008_06/25_capacity.jhtml

25 FRNT787 : Why would you like to see cuts at DFW, the only reason I could think of is to avoid cuts elsewhere, which is odd. They need not cut flights at an air
26 RL757PVD : I wonder if there was an emergency staff meeting across the runway at DAL today....
27 Post contains links United1 : Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 25): Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 19): I'd like to see cuts from DFW Why would you like to see cuts at DFW, the only reason I could
28 MAH4546 : What frequencies? Barranquilla is exempt from the U.S.-Colombia air treaty, and U.S. airlines are allowed an unlimited number of flights to the city,
29 DeltaL1011man : Where was the flight from? I agree the only Airport Delta hasn't cut anything at is LGA.
30 MasseyBrown : I'll bet that AA has some excellent "intelligence" that UA's ORD cuts will be comparable.
31 LAXdude1023 : Well good news (for me), LAX didnt really get hit and DFW got off realatively easy. I was told that DFW would recieve the bulk of the cuts. Guess they
32 ScottB : There isn't all that much to cut at BOS anymore; Eagle is down to six destinations -- CMH, JFK, LGA, RDU, YYZ, and DCA. For mainline, we know SAN wil
33 Lambert747 : Would be possible to get a list of the routes that American Airlines/American Eagle will be dropping. It would be very interesting to see the destinat
34 Post contains images MOBflyer : Here's BOS's domestic roster as of Q4 2007. Cities are ranked as RASM basis. Dst ....... LF ....... Sys Rev ..... Seg Rev ..... Yield ....... RASM ..
35 Flyby519 : Any ideas when we will see the specifics of what is cut from the northeast schedules?[Edited 2008-06-25 11:15:49]
36 Post contains links Chase : Article on www.stltoday.com indicates that routes cut completely will include: STL-SNA/BWI/CMH/SGF/JFK.
37 MOBflyer : As far as revenues go, SNA performed horribly ($0.08733 RASM); and BWI/SGF performed okay ($0.13312 and $0.13541, respectively); whereas CMH and JFK
38 RL757PVD : Can you show how PVD ALB and MDT were performing as a comparison to these other RJ route?
39 BigGSFO : I wonder where the SNA slot will go? Another DFW or ORD?
40 LoneStarMike : Good estimate. The STLToday article posted in reply #36 says after the cuts, AA will be down to 116 daily departures. LoneStarMike
41 Lambert747 : A few ideas for it: 1/ Added to SJC or SFO-SNA 2/ New Service SNA-MIA w/738 3/ New Service SNA-JFK w/752 ex TWA/AA route
42 MOBflyer : All from ORD: Dst ....... LF ....... Sys Rev ..... Seg Rev ..... Yield ....... RASM ... N/S Miles ALB .... 83.57% .... $7,746 .... $4,036 .... $0.117
43 AVLAirlineFreq : Yeah, that was my cynical take, too, when I saw the sub-head on the press release: "Service Reduction At LaGuardia, The Nation's Most Congested Airpo
44 BigGSFO : This would be my vote...maybe one less LAX-MIA in favor of SNA-MIA.
45 Cubsrule : Me too; that route ought to do well. I would guess that they're pulling all MQ flying from STL; that means that JFK and SGF lose service and BNA eith
46 FlyPNS1 : These numbers are horrible and it's no wonder the routes were canned. Keep in mind that given current fuel prices, an RJ flying a route like MDT-ORD
47 Post contains links Dfwcre8tive : American Airlines to cut 42 flights at DFW Airport 02:14 PM CDT on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 By TERRY MAXON / The Dallas Morning News tmaxon@dallasnews
48 Cubsrule : Is it really that high? The economics of RJs (and other aircraft) are far better on long routes, and MQ's systemwide CASM is likely right around 20 c
49 SANFan : Interesting to note that apparently SAN-STL's single daily flight is safe -- for now anyway. SAN wasn't so lucky in the BOS market however. I don't e
50 LAXdude1023 : After everyone talked about how DFW was going to hardest hit, they were all wrong (myself included). DFW got of with a relative slap on the wrist.
51 Cubsrule : AA seemingly does well to the west coast from STL. There's almost no competition from WN (WN doesn't fly SAN, OAK, or SEA and IIRC is dropping LAX) a
52 ChrisNH : Up in New England they only really seemed to care about Boston. We never saw them here in Manchester, while Worcester and Portland saw them come and
53 LambertMan : For those of you that knew what the SJU operation was like, who got the worst of this, San Juan or St. Louis? I don't know enough about the San Juan o
54 FlyPNS1 : The economics are somewhat better, but you'll notice a lot of airlines are chopping their long RJ's routes. If we use 20 cents as the average, these
55 RL757PVD : AA wont be in a hurry to come back to PVD, it might not be till the WA is lifted and WN adds PVD-DAL (not till 2014). If WN adds an additional PVD-MD
56 LAXdude1023 : Im interested to know the specifics of the route cuts. Does anyone know when they will be relaeased?
57 Yellowtail : First CO at CLO, now AA at Barranquilla, Apart from BOG, the rest of Colombia seems to be a weak point in Latin America
58 FWAERJ : Phew... Looks like FWA is relatively unaffected. FWA-ORD is down from 5x daily flights to 4x (the early morning flight got the axe), but FWA-DFW stays
59 MOBflyer : It looks like MOB looses Saturday service to ORD, keeping 1x ORD on the other days; and 5x DFW
60 MOBflyer : It also looks like PNS looses one of its 2x daily ORD flights, and keeps 6x DFW. GPT keeps its ex-Saturday ORD and 3x DFW.
61 RL757PVD : I dont think anything has been loaded in yet... PVD-ORD on AA is still showing in OAG all fall.
62 MOBflyer : I don't know when the schedule change takes effect, but my date was Dec. 15. And there's no PVD-ORD then.
63 MAH4546 : Nothing has been loaded except BAQ closure. Wait until Saturday guys.
64 KBMIFlyer : My understanding from other threads it that the schedules will be loaded this coming weekend.
65 STT757 : Eagle used to fly JFK-MHT, up until 2000.
66 Jacobin777 : So far SJC has been spared ....that being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see some SJC cuts, especially with MQ.....one could hope however....
67 MAH4546 : Cuts to stations like RDU, SJC, LAX, and BOS are not mentioned; we can't conlcude much about how "lucky" they are until Saturday.
68 Buddys747 : I can't believe they are closing MDT. ORD is the #1 destination out of here. Granted we went from 4 down to two E145's, compared to UA's two 735's and
69 Post contains links Miaskies : Local press... Triangle Business Journal here in RDU Area: American Eagle cutting from RDU... 4 flights to Newark, 2 flights each to Jacksonville, Lou
70 Post contains links WhatUsaid : Here's a link to the coverage in San Luis Obispo where they'll close the maintenance base around the 1st of 2009: http://www.sanluisobispo.com/breakin
71 Post contains links Miaami : RDU losing 10 flights http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/indus.../2008/06/23/daily38.html?ana=yfcpc
72 USAirALB : WN... I was personally hoping, along with other A.neters that ALB/PVD would get mainline back. This ruins it, brings a tear to my eye.
73 Cubsrule : None of those are huge shocks; XE doesn't fly to JAX or SDF anymore. EWR does have somewhat more of a local market, though RDU-NYC isn't exactly unde
74 MAH4546 : AUS wasn't spared. It ends September 3rd.
75 MoMan : San Juan by far. STL loses a couple cities that didn't have mainline flights anyways (SGF, BWI). SJU has lost many high traffic destinations, notably
76 United_Fan : Well,at least ROC was spared. Though,the roumored return of mainline here doesn't look promising. I wonder what will happen here when UA retires their
77 PanAm330 : That is going to be a winner when and if it ever gets announced (we all know about the similar AUS-MIA spectacle). One can dream! But I don't think t
78 United_Fan : Especially with Ted planes coming back to mainline , eventually.
79 MAH4546 : While I can't confirm if it is a go, I can confirm that MIA-SNA is being looked at very closely for a November launch, though it would be a 757.
80 PanAm330 : Very good news. It's not a surprise, really. AA does fairly well in SNA, and this will only increase their customer base there.
81 Lambert747 : Orange County to Miami and New York have been needed for a long time. New York was flown back with TWA and then AA with the 757-200 until a few years
82 LAXdude1023 : SNA-MIA would be a good route. It should be timed to connect for flights to the Carribiean and Northern South America. Flights to deep South America a
83 MAH4546 : I'm hopeful, but I have a feeling it's just the next MIA-PHX. It would be a morning departure/afternoon arrival on SNA-MIA; afternoon departure/eveni
84 LAXdude1023 : That would make it perfect for the Carribean and Northern South America. Does MIA-PHX not do well?
85 Post contains links CIDflyer : St Louis Post Dispatch is now reporting that the reports of STL-SGF getting cut were in error, so it looks like AA is keeping STL-SGF, at least for n
86 Jacobin777 : True..hence why I have my ....SJC has been cut down enough as it is (as you know).....while I can't say about yields, loads have been good. That bein
87 DCA-ROCguy : Well,at least ROC was spared. Though,the roumored return of mainline here doesn't look promising. I wonder what will happen here when UA retires their
88 LAXdude1023 : I dont think AA will cut ORD-SJC. At the very least we know they wont cut DFW-SJC. Seriously, I wouldnt be surprised to see ORD lose a couple of west
89 AATakeMeAway : Does ELP-ORD not do well? Also, will the cuts at SJU mean that SJU will no longer be an official hub?
90 SJUSXM : rumor from Philly is that its: -1 ORD mainline -2 STL +2 ORD Eagle
91 MAH4546 : It does outstanding and has been profitable out the gate, but it started 15 months later than planned.
92 CIDflyer : I am wondering if STL will become a little more "banked" to maximize connection possibilities there since the number of flights are decreasing?
93 Jacobin777 : Well given I've purchased two SJC-ORD AA tickets today (with the 2nd one having a DFW-SJC leg on it), I've covered all those ends you've mentioned..a
94 HPAEAA : I believe the press release went on to say that the slots that are being vacated are being eliminated as part of the FAA's effort to improve the perf
95 Post contains links MOBflyer : I was wrong earlier. MOB will lose its nonstop to Chicago, but keep all DFW routes. Per the Mobile Press-Register. http://blog.al.com/live/2008/06/ame
96 Fourstripe : Not quite. I have it on good authority that every city on the gulf from SHV to VPS will loose their ORD flight, as well as one reduction to DFW.... D
97 Af773atmsp : Will AA Eagle stop RST (Rochester, MN)-ORD service?
98 SANFan : Sweet! I've always been curious about this route: the average O&D pax/day (per DOT figures) SAN-STL in 2007 was 367, = 183 each way, on a route that
99 Buddys747 : Gee, I wonder where MDT's 2 ORD eagles are going....
100 B752OS : I am just wondering why you feel a market with roughly 47 daily pax (MIA-SNA) has been long over due? I can see JFK where there is almost 700 daily p
101 Cubsrule : I'm not sure banking it makes any more sense now than it did, say, a year ago. We aren't seeing massive frequency cuts, after all. I think it all dep
102 MAH4546 : Because the market actually has over 2,200 passengers a day. You can't exclude FLL, LAX, LGB, etc. just for your own convenience. The fact is SNA-MIA
103 MAH4546 : STL acts as a "bridge point" between to connect the Springfield RJ maintenance base and the Northeast network.
104 Cubsrule : That said, though, if STL-SGF sticks around, STL-JFK might too (or they might just bridge the aircraft through BNA).
105 LAXdude1023 : While I think the route would do well, I dont buy youre arguement. LAX already has nonstop flights to MIA so thats not relevant. The airports are far
106 CIDflyer : true, perhaps it will now go SGF-STL-BNA-XXX station in the Northeast, or maybe now SGF-STL-BOS, SGF-STL-DCA, etc etc
107 Mcmax : I think his point was that while the actual SNA-MIA passenger numbers are low, many of would-be SNA-MIA passengers actually choose to fly LAX-MIA bec
108 Amwest2United : Do you have the United figures for ORD-MDT?
109 MAH4546 : Correct, you get a lot of people going from SNA to LAX. With a non-stop option, they won't have to. That right there can probably equal at least 50-7
110 KstateinALB : For ALB's sake, the presence was miniscule compared to what UA pulls in the ORD market. It sucks, but in all honesty, being a loyal UA flyer, I think
111 MAH4546 : More than anything, ALB is a victim of AA's lack of 70-90 seat aircraft, IMO. With a good 79-90 seat aircraft, AA could efficiently operate 4 dailies
112 Lambert747 : There are plenty of people from around the Southern California that this flight would help, if it is started including: Laguna Beach, Laguna Niguel,
113 MAH4546 : Miami. All AA Colombia flights are from Miami. Delta will be cutting CLT-LGA this September. They are also switching to RJ on - off all routes - PBI
114 Jacobin777 : It's nice to know due to contract conditions AA can't get a nice 100 seat plane like the Embraer E-190 or an 85-86 seat Embraer ERJ-175...score one t
115 ThegreatRDU : RDU dodged another bullet but not for long
116 KstateinALB : Absolutely. Great point. Almost every airline, of course except for WN, has the ability to pull an aircraft of that size into ALB. It equals profitab
117 LGAtoIND : Ha, I remember flying LGA-PBI on a 767-200 back in the '90s. I guess those days are long gone.
118 MAH4546 : What did they dodge? RDU is losing all AA service to EWR, MCI, JAX, and SDF - approximately 16% of AA's daily RDU service. Plus possible frequency re
119 Dc10s2hnl : As a former Wings West brat, and long-time San Luis Obispo aviation follower, this announcement saddens me to no end! It's depressing that such a long
120 MAH4546 : Look for it this winter on Southwest. While I make no absolute promises, It's pretty much a done deal; and about damn time.[Edited 2008-06-25 20:40:1
121 MAH4546 : Some random tidbits from DFW: Dallas will lose service to only one destination, San Salvador, El Salvador. Service from Dallas to Montego Bay will bec
122 KstateinALB : Interesting, I heard the same thing from a neighbor who works with the airport authority, but didn't want to start an A-Net rumor. We'll see, but I h
123 LAXdude1023 : Im really not surprised about SAL. The loads sucked. PTY has been doing a little bit better lately, so theres probably hope for it yet (even though i
124 FlyMKG : Thats to be expected. Not only is the airline industry in a slump but they grossly overhired before this. I interviewed back in April with Eagle and g
125 AEroc : This is might be true or not....I saw this in our companies statement today "Eaglewire" "The specific schedule adjustments, which call for AA to repl
126 CBPhoto : I believe it is in the works, but I wouldnt hold my breath on it!!
127 DeltAirlines : I believe AA has already announced that the Saabs are leaving the California market. It's going to be all-RJs, which could be interesting on some rou
128 SANFan : How about we even add San Diego to your list; especially those in the North County who are actually about half-way between Lindbergh Field and John W
129 FlyASAGuy2005 : To where? More frequencies?... My mind would say that ATL is pretty safe. AA's Ops out of T is pretty descent for a non focus city. I know they give
130 Dolphinflyer : Amen!!! I agree 100%. ALB and PVD are both essentially victims of the AA pilot scope clause. Given their geographic positions relative to the rest of
131 DFWEagle : Most of the American Eagle frequency cuts at DFW will be offset by using larger aircraft. Therefore, the number of seats in each market will remain ap
132 DFWEagle : I’ve got a list of all the changes at DFW and the mainline cuts are almost entirely simple reductions of one daily frequency -: 1 daily flight cut f
133 United_Fan : That would be good news. How are the l/f on the DFW flight? I bet AA could fill a 738/MD80 to DFW. Sort of a reliever to ORD. Keep us posted.
134 Archer : Good Morning: (?) Our local paper, Albany Times Union, notes that AA began service (as Colonial Airlines) in 1929. It will be the end of that record.
135 Post contains links AEroc : Not sure how accurate this list is for DFW flight changes only but was found at http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/724158.html. Unitedfan looks li
136 MOBflyer : The MOB Press-Register says that MOB, PNS, GPT, VPS, JAN, BTR, and BHM will all lose all service to ORD on AA/MQ.
137 Post contains links FWAERJ : The list looks pretty correct, as the Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette confirmed that we are gaining an FWA-DFW flight in November. Makes sense, as that fli
138 Ishky15 : From looking at these cuts, it almost appears as if AA is consolidating some of its NYC flights to JFK, i.e. cutting flights from DFW and DCA to LGA a
139 BigGSFO : As for SFO, it appears only 2 DFW flights are cut leaving 8. Will they upgauge the equipment on the exsisting? I am somewhat surprised SFO-BOS has las
140 ERJ170 : Where can I see the changes that are happening at LGA?
141 KstateinALB : I would almost certainly guess that will be correct, and will give WN more and more a percentage of passengers at ALB. Heard on the grapevine by my a
142 TOLtommy : Great list, very well done. Any chance of seeing a similar list for ORD?
143 FreequentFlier : Did ANYONE foresee oil jumping this fast? If you did, I'm assuming you're a rich man because you clearly invested in oil stocks. Yes, I'm shocked the
144 Cubsrule : AA does pretty well on several of the routes from LGA to other airlines' hubs. CLT is another. When you have astronomical fares and a fairly large lo
145 AAtakeMeAway : So DFW - ELP is adding seats (one MQ flight, 0 change in AA flights) or am I reading it wrong?
146 LAXdude1023 : There are a couple of errors with the list in the article: SJU should be 2 daily, not 2 weekly. It was announced a couple of weeks ago when the SJU h
147 MAH4546 : No they aren't. You don't have seasonal reductions when a flight goes in season. These are all winter resorts.
148 LAXdude1023 : MBJ always goes down in the fall. It hurricane sesason. LIR has always been two weely. CUN also experiances hurricanes and has gotten cutback during
149 MAH4546 : Fall is slow season, but I was referring to the winter schedule. MBJ. for example, will be Saturday-only all winter long; it was previously 4-5x week
150 USAirALB : Its not that bad. I can't wait to see the big voy(320) in ALB again. The flight to DCA tommorrow has 76 seats filled as of 133 pm Up until now, WN an
151 LAXdude1023 : Yeah it sure lookes like it. CUN should be daily though.
152 LAXdude1023 : Let me try this again. I see two obvious errors with the article: 1) SJU is 2x daily 2) CUN goes anywhere from being 2x-4x daily depending on the day.
153 Tom in NO : Only central Gulf Coast airport to maintain its current ORD schedule will be MSY. Tom at MSY
154 MAH4546 : There's plenty of errors in addition to that. It's poorly organized and not 100% accurate. A few more destinations are being cut from DFW, too, like
155 LAXdude1023 : Like where else? AA.com and Apollo still show FNT and theyve take out some of the other loses. I guess it should be clear on Saturday, but I didnt th
156 KstateinALB : Which till though, is sad. I mean, thats half full, well, more than half full. Not profitable whatsoever. We do see NW A320's from time to time, and
157 RL757PVD : Yes it is... at least ofr an RJ, mainline itd paint a different picture. RJ's needs a RASM of around 0.20 these days depending on the market. That wa
158 PanAm330 : Son of a b*tch. I'm booked on SYR-DFW both ways in October, too.
159 DFWEagle : You should be fine with those flights, most of the cuts announced yesterday are only effective from November.
160 DFWEagle : I can't remember all the changes, but I do remember that American Eagle is ending the shuttle services in the LGA-BOS and LGA-DCA markets. That accou
161 LAXdude1023 : Some info that might be new: DFW-CZM is going to 4x weekly. DFW-FNT is indeed being cut. DFW-NAS is being cut but ORD-NAS remains DFW-ACA is daily in
162 AJMIA : So it looks like there are going to be three slots available to SNA from the canceled flights to STL, DFW and ORD. If they are not used for flights to
163 LAXdude1023 : Actually DFW isnt losing an SNA frequency. Another inaccuracy from the article.
164 AJMIA : OK that is good to know. So two are up for grabs. Double daily SNA-MIA or 1xMIA and 1xJFK ???? AJMIA
165 MAH4546 : Or it's really not out of the question that they give up the frequencies or increase SJC/SFO service. Though I'm keeping my fingers crossed for MIA-S
166 Stillageek : Where is the source showing DFW-NAS is being cut? I currently fly that route and would be surprised to see it leave. Flights are normally full (I thin
167 MAH4546 : It will be shown in the updated schedules on Saturday. Full flight or not, it's a long, thin RJ route; it doesn't make money.
168 LAXdude1023 : Last day is Sept. 2. Check aa.com. Its gone after that.
169 LAXdude1023 : Most everything is already in the schedules.
170 AJMIA : Mark, In your wildest dreams is it possible that they start the MIA-SNA route with 2x daily? It would be awesome to have an am and pm in each directi
171 FlyCMH : The Columbus Dispatch (through their aviation blog) is saying that American will cut 2 of their 5 daily flights to LGA and 1 of their 10 daily flights
172 MAH4546 : LaGuardia loses eight routes LaGuardia-Boston LaGuardia-Cincinnati LaGuardia-Charlotte LaGuardia-Cleveland LaGuardia-Louisville LaGuardia-Memphis LaGu
173 PanAm330 : You sure? An earlier source said that AA was discontinuing SYR-DFW, but it's still bookable right now.
174 MAH4546 : Also, flights from San Juan to Fort de France and Pointe Pitre have been removed, but AA never mentioned that they are ending service to either. So th
175 MAH4546 : There are definitley exceptions; DFW-SYR is indeed still showing, but for the most part discontinued routes have been removed.
176 LAXdude1023 : Actually almost all of them are showing too.
177 MOBflyer : LGA-BOS is being completely discontinued? Not reduced, but gone?! WOW!
178 Silentbob : If revenues are so bad for the airlines doing business at MDT, bringing in an LCC to depress costs (not to mention yields) is the last thing that the
179 Cubsrule : NK didn't think it was unreasonable at CAE. Columbia is about the same size as Harrisburg, but it is closer to Florida. Still, they're apparently not
180 AEroc : I have looked very hard but cant find anything, but at work today we got the news about our schedule. ROC going from 1xDFW 4xORD to 3xORD only, as is
181 HPAEAA : CrAAp - I'm guessing the JFK CLE run is gone too?
182 NWAESC : I'm suprised LGA-MSN isn't on that list?
183 Flyby519 : W-H-O-A! Serious shocker! Is AA going to fly any LGA-BOS/DCA routes?
184 Flyguy1 : This flight is geared toward International connections, it should be ok. It will be interesting to see what happens to AA' LGA slots. Do they lose th
185 ERJ170 : There is a much bigger picture here that most realize.. AA is dropping DCA slots too! We all know B6, WN, FL, XY, and probably VX would love to get t
186 Flyby519 : JFK-STL and STL-SGF looks gone as well..
187 Flyby519 : deleted.............[Edited 2008-06-27 07:31:21]
188 STT757 : Cutting LGA-BOS/DCA makes sense, there's too much competition between Amtrak, those Chinatown buses, people's cars etc..
189 ERJ170 : I'm gonna throw this out there for discussion.. let me know what you think without the flames.. American's biggest thorn is that they are too big and
190 Jacobin777 : AA was ending ORD-DCA before all the latest rounds of cuts....some of these slots might be coming from there...
191 ERJ170 : I would crap a brick if AA was ending ORD-DCA.. I just can't believe that is the case.. checking the schedules, I don't see it happening either..
192 LAXdude1023 : WHAT???? That cant possibly be. They might take a couple of flights out, but they shouldnt end ORD-DCA.
193 Jacobin777 : Sorry, my bad..its ORD-IAD which has ended...
194 Post contains images FXramper :
195 MAH4546 : DCA slots can be leases out. Also, we don't know the new DCA schedule. It is very possible they will add more frequencies to ORD, MIA, etc. I don't t
196 DFWEagle : Firstly, BOS-DCA and LGA-DCA account for only 12 daily flights – six in each market. Secondly, who said anything about AA canceling BOS-DCA? AA use
197 MAH4546 : Portland, Ore.-O'Hare is gone. Again. O'Hare is also losing Dayton.[Edited 2008-06-27 10:29:54]
198 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Ill try and contain my amazement. What about SJC? I know Jacobin777 will be intested to know if its affect.   From what I know, it shouldnt be. So O
199 Lambert747 : I dont see what the big fuss is. American Eagle stills maintains service from JFK to DCA(4x)and BWI(1x). American Airlines is more than likely consol
200 MAH4546 : ABQ-ORD is still bookable.
201 LAXdude1023 : Its the strangest. Yesterday it was out of the schedules and today its back in. They must still be hammering out the details.
202 MAH4546 : The final schedules are definitley not loaded. I know MIA-LGA/DFW are both getting an extra daily, as is LGA-ATL, and that's not loaded either. Also
203 LAXdude1023 : The final schedules are supposed to be in tomorrow, correct?
204 Jacobin777 : ...so far so good.. So far not yet....
205 Buddys747 : So what is your answer? What about all of the other cities that have a LCC ? I realize we might never see a LCC, but how would bringing one in hurt?
206 Silentbob : The situation as I see it: At least one carrier has decided that they cannot continue to serve MDT given the current economic environment LCCs tend t
207 Buddys747 : I guess I'm thinking of a place like ABE, which tends to have lower fares than MDT does and does have G4, yet as far as I know ABE does farely well,
208 AEroc : What is the point in adding Eagle into MSY???? Its an all AA station and Eagle has never served MSY before, why now? Whats one CR7 going to do for MSY
209 ABQ747 : It looks like AA has reduced ORD-ABQ to one daily flight. Last time I checked, there were 2 daily flights.
210 AJMIA : Out on the West Coast... LAX-ORD cut 1x daily for 9x daily LAX-MIA add 1x daily for 7x daily LAX-LAS add 2x daily for 3x daily LAX-HNL add 1x daily fo
211 Jacobin777 : Not too bad...I've flown SJC-LAX a zextillion times on MQ's JungleJets so flying to SNA only on JungleJets isn't too bad.. Which flight number is bei
212 Lambert747 : SMF-DFW cut 1x daily, for 3x daily
213 ConcordeBoy : ...what about BTR, did AA drop their ORD nonstop there again?
214 LAXdude1023 : Yes indeed. MSY is the only destination thats going to be served to ORD from the Southern Gulf area outside Southern Florida.
215 SANFan : Interesting that this, along, of course, with the BOS-cut, has been it for SAN... so far. (Plus, I hope, the SAN-JFK flight is still a 763 into Decem
216 ConcordeBoy : Egad. That brings BTR right back to what it's always had: service to ATL, MEM, DFW, and IAH. Even after the biggest disaster in Louisiana (or hell, W
217 MSYtristar : Quite the fall from grace to say the least. And to think some people were predicting BTR would see continued growth as the years passed. The city its
218 ConcordeBoy : ...screw that. It's time to raze both those bitches, then build a real airport which links the metros in some of the backwater spaces where it could
219 MSYtristar : See, I knew there was a reason why you're still in LA. You'll be Governor in 15 years and you'll have the vision to see this through: Southeast Louis
220 ConcordeBoy : Ah yes: Black and queer, with a knack for holistically-inappropriate racist statements and the total inability to not say exactly what I'm thinking a
221 MSYtristar : You'd have my vote as long as you promise to pass legislation to force Kabby's to bring back the Thai Ribs on the menu.
222 ConcordeBoy : ...dude, no joke, that was a go*damn Greek tragedy. That said, is it true that the Louisiana Airport Authority was dissolved? That's what I heard, an
223 MSYtristar : I think I saw something on neworleanscitybusiness.com about it recently. Right now it is CO, but in September, AA should be in the lead, but that dep
224 ConcordeBoy : Does that take DL's ATL/LGA/SLC buildup into account?
225 MSYtristar : Going by the number of flights a day, yes...AA will have 17 as they do now, and DL will have 15. BTW, just emailed you a detailed spreadsheet which I
226 ConcordeBoy : I'd say seat capacity is a much more accurate (not to mention, useful) measure than departures.... Oh, and thanks heffa.
227 Delta767 : Anyone know if they will replace the one mainline being pulled from GSO with a third Eagle flight as they usually do? Otherwise this is a significant
228 AJMIA : The SMF-DFW cut was already announce for 9/3 Also happening on the West Coast on 9/3 (and previously announced)... LAX-DFW cut 1x daily for 16x daily
229 CIDflyer : could someone post a revised STL schedule if its available? I am curious to see the frequency cuts...
230 Jacobin777 : Right now, SJC-SNA has only one mainline AA during Saturdays.....but as far as going down to 1x/daily afterwards, you are completely correct..
231 Lambert747 : Overall and I may be the minority in this feeling, but American Airlines and American Eagle/Connection cuts on the West Coast and system-wide for tha
232 SESGDL : AA's announced cuts were to be the biggest of any of the legacies, with 14-17% (can't exactly remember) of their domestic capacity being cut. While D
233 MAH4546 : It is 11-12% cut in domestic capacity; 1% rise in international.
234 SESGDL : Thank you for the correction. Were these to take effect in December because the cuts I've seen don't look to be 11-12% of their overall domestic capa
235 LAXdude1023 : I have to wonder if both DL and AA announced cuts the way they did for PR reasons (even though they were different). DL downplayed the amount of cuts
236 MAH4546 : November 3rd. However, as you noticed, I do think that they reduced capacity less than they thought. I also think they are retiring less S80s than or
237 Atrude777 : I don't see it on AA.com or anything. I still show SNA, JFK being there also. Where do I go look for this revised cuts, and what date do I use? Alex
238 CIDflyer : ok I just checked and it appears AA.com is updated, I went thru the destinations from STL starting in Nov (Nov 6th is what I used) and came up with a
239 FlyCMH : It looks like the cuts at CMH will be worse than anticipated. All of the above-mentioned cuts will take place, including loosing a mainline flight to
240 MAH4546 : MIA-STL remains 2x 752.
241 CIDflyer : I noticed that MIA to STL was 2x, but STL to MIA was only 1x. Do you think that perhaps the schedule is still not updated, or will it indeed be opera
242 MSYtristar : MSY-STL remains 5x ERJ service. That's good news.
243 Atrude777 : Thanks man! While the flights are down, the destinations still are not to bad. Many cities would kill to have the destinations we do and flights. Plu
244 MAH4546 : While I don't know the answer for sure, I'm 97% certain it is staying at 2x daily.
245 MrSTL : One correction STL-LAX remains 4x daily, I also noticed the weird MIA flight frequency, not sure what is going on there. All in all not that horrible.
246 CIDflyer : no problem! I am still happy that STL is still kept as a mini hub and most of its destinations intact as well. I think this shows some commitment on
247 Tcttx : Looks like BDL-STL is down to 2 daily (not noted above). Checked Nov & Dec dates.
248 CIDflyer : thanks! I knew I was missing a city somewhere
249 TUSAA : Looks like Eagle will bridge LAX with DFW via ELP. New AE DFW-ELP-LAX-ELP-DFW service with a daily ERJ service in both directions.
250 TUSAA : ORD-ABQ will become all AE with two daily CR7's eff Nov.2
251 CIDflyer : you are correct, I double checked the schedule and indeed STL-LAX is 4x. But the return schedule only shows 3x LAX-STL, kind of odd like the MIA sche
252 MrSTL : There are a lot of oddities to the schedule such as in October STL-SFO is showing 1x and SFO-STL is showing 2x. The schedulers are either getting rea
253 AIR757200 : DTW: Current: LGA 5x (ER3/ERD) ORD 4x (M80) 3x (ER4) DFW 6x (MD80/738) MIA 1x (738) New: LGA 3x (ER3) ORD 2x (M80) 5x (ER4/CR7) DFW 6x (M80) MIA 2x (7
254 MAH4546 : SFO-STL will be 1x; MIA-STL will be 2x.
255 Ckfred : ORD-PIT has been cut 1 R/T. The pre-7am departure out of ORD has been cut, and the late morning departure out of PIT is gone. This stinks for my wife.
256 MAH4546 : There has been a huge shake-up in the 777 schedules. The 777 schedule this winter looks to be this; new routes noted with asterisks. Chicago Up to eig
257 Jacobin777 : Thanks Mark. What will be interesting is to see what will happen next spring/summer at ORD. I expect to see ORD going up to 10 777's by next spring/s
258 MAH4546 : Well DFW-EZE/GRU; MIA-SCL; and two of the MIA-GRU will go back to 763s for the winter. MIA-MAD, however, is a year-round change, assuming it works ou
259 MSYtristar : AA's MSY operation Now... DFW (6x M80, 1x 738) STL (5x ERJ) MIA (3x 738) ORD (2x M80) Later... DFW (5x M80, 2x 738) STL (5x ERJ) MIA (3x 738) ORD (2x
260 Jacobin777 : I don't..especially given UA has downguaged from 3x777 to 1x777 2x763. Given that Chicago after New York and Dubai is the 3rd most traveled city to L
261 LAXdude1023 : I was told that DFW-GRU was going to be year round 777, but that DFW-EZE and MIA-SCL would be 763's in the northern summer.
262 UAL777UK : Would AA honestly put the 763 on the ORD-LHR without a F cabin and run it possibly on that route with the 777.
263 MAH4546 : I don't think it's about filling the 777s - they can fill them. It's about finding the best place for those first class seats. Putting a 763 on one O
264 Jacobin777 : I do agree there. I think a lot will depend on what happens with other B763/B777 routes come next year.
265 LAXdude1023 : DFW-GRU and MIA-MAD are routes that have been begging for 777's for a long time. DFW-GRU operates 2x daily during the peak summer time with 763's. Iv
266 TUSAA : Putting a 777 back on DFW-GRU is partly driven by the demand for F class, and most if it coming in from NRT. Cargo is another factor.
267 LAXdude1023 : Indeed thats true. DFW-GRU wont have a problem filling any of the F, J, or Y cabins on a 777 year round. I am wondering about DFW-EZE. I didnt think
268 SANFan : I'm still, on Sunday afternoon, finding issues with the 11/02 load (in the booking engine.) I just completed a turn-schedule for SAN using that infor
269 Daron4000 : Is LHR down to 3x daily normal for winter? In the past, I thought it went down to 4x daily. If so, that means that UA and AA match each other in ORD-
270 CIDFlyer : well it looks like the MIA and LAX schedules have been updated from STL on AA.com. Its now showing the 2nd STL-MIA and also the 4th LAX-STL
271 Cubsrule : Looking through the schedules, I'm a bit surprised to see STL-DAY stick around since they are evidently cutting ORD-DAY. I wonder if they simply have
272 ExpressJet_ERJ : Someone posted the yield on the routes... DAY has HUGE yield compared to CMH. No SWA competition.
273 Post contains links KarlB737 : Here are specifics regarding FNT: Courtesy: The Flint Journal Bishop to lose two more flights; American Eagle to cease nonstop flights to Dallas in S
274 Ckfred : Here's one I don't get. Eagle is dropping ORD-DAY, but Connections will continue STL-DAY, and mainline will continue DFW-DAY. Wouldn't it make sense t
275 LAXdude1023 : I imagine it probably has more to do with economics. If ORD-DAY was bringing in the least amount of money of the three, it would be the one to get dr
276 Cubsrule : The competitive environment may have something to do with it... UA has two more frequencies and even offers a couple of flights with an F cabin (a 73
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