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Air Service Cuts In Arkansas?  
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

A couple of reports have been in the news, locally for the past couple of days, causing a mild panic among travellers as well as the usual media frenzy:

http://www.kfsm.com/global/story.asp?s=8555724

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2008/06/26/business/c-business03.txt


http://swtimes.com/articles/2008/06/23/business/e-business01.txt


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

FSM is already hanging by a thread.

While AA (Eagle) is the predominate carrier, there is also NW Express to MEM and recently-added DL Express to ATL. However, when the DL/NW merger goes through, the MEM hub could be closed, leaving FSM with just two destinations.

I doubt Eagle would pull out of DFW entirely, but the ATL flight could also be lost. Such a shame for this beautiful airport!! At least there are choices such as XNA (which will keep at least some of its airline service) at 83 driving miles away, TUL at 132, and LIT at 164.

Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to see one day airports such as FSM and Bakersfield BFL killed by proximity to more "popular" airports that are within a roughly two-hour drive.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):

Well, checking the DL flights to ATL, they look to be at least a 60% load factor. DL had service into FSM, previously but when XNA was opened and Drake Field closed in Fayettville, ASA consolidated all their ops at XNA and pulled out of FSM. XNA is not the easiest airport to get to and if you live in the FSM area, it takes almost as long to get to as it does to TUL. Because I fly non-rev on DL and usually have to go to SLC, my only choice is TUL. It's almost exactly a 2 hour drive from FSM. I was actually shocked when DL resumed service at FSM. I think it's doing well enough to keep the service and I think they would do well to have service to SLC, too but I don't think it will happen in the near future as they've recently dropped XNA-SLC service.

BTW, FSM is the second largest city in Arkansas, behind LIT but we always seem to come up short compared to Northwest Arkansas.....(Fayetteville, Rogers, Springdale, etc.)

[Edited 2008-06-26 08:55:45]


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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4666 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Im going to the Jonesboro Airport to meet with the airport folks for some non-air service items, but im going to try to find out whats going on there. If they add the planned JBR-STL flights before the next meeting i might try to fly into there rather than MEM next time.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

This is that business coalition pressing the panic button again. I can see XNA losing LAX and even LGA service. DFW being thinned out some and losing STL. On the outside chance I could see CLT-XNA being canned.

FSM probably wont lose service until after the DL/NW merger. If DL keeps MEM, then FSM would likely lose ATL.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

I think AA has already announced losing one LGA flight from XNA.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1986 times:



Quote:
FSM is the second largest city in Arkansas, behind LIT but we always seem to come up short compared to Northwest Arkansas.....(Fayetteville, Rogers, Springdale, etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tes_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

According to this, Little Rock is the 78th largest metro area (666,401), Northwest Arkansas is the 110th (435,714), and Fort Smith is 158th (289,693).

Knowing the growth of Northwest Arkansas - and the businesses like Wal-Mart & Tyson headquartered there - I'm not surprised that they have more, but like everyone else in the U.S., they are vulnerable to cutbacks in service.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1944 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):

According to this, Little Rock is the 78th largest metro area (666,401), Northwest Arkansas is the 110th (435,714), and Fort Smith is 158th (289,693).



Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
BTW, FSM is the second largest city in Arkansas, behind LIT but we always seem to come up short compared to Northwest Arkansas.....(Fayetteville, Rogers, Springdale, etc.)

You are both correct. PanAm is referring to MSA population, and Mayor is referring to city proper population.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1850 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7):
You are both correct. PanAm is referring to MSA population, and Mayor is referring to city proper population.

Exactly. None of those cities I mentioned is near as large as FSM and yet the total population in that area is larger than the metro area for Fort Smith. I think what is dissapointed, here, is that FSM always seems to be the underdog and actually, don't really try to improve their situation. At least that's my observation since I moved here in 2005.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1796 times:

It seems hard to believe now that FSM had mainline Branniff service up until deregulation, doesn't it?

User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1760 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
On the outside chance I could see CLT-XNA being canned.

Doubtful. Everytime I work out to XNA the flight is 95% to 100% full. It could maybe drop to 2flights a day, but I doubt that It will be done away with.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6800 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

FSM is toast.

XNA would be or darn near it if not for Wally World.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1746 times:



Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 9):
It seems hard to believe now that FSM had mainline Branniff service up until deregulation, doesn't it?

and Frontier 737s.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1739 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 11):
FSM is toast.

Based on what?



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6800 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1708 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 13):
Based on what?

Market size, economics of 50 seat RJs, high fuel, what else do you need?

Unless the yields are supreme, which I'm assuming they're not, FSM is precisely the kind of market that sadly will be seeing air service diminished. Plus, geographically, it's close enough to XNA which has enough scheduled air service (that will remain due to the corporate interests).

This is exactly the kind of market that needs to be culled down in the new climate. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's life now.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1675 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
Market size, economics of 50 seat RJs, high fuel, what else do you need?

Unless the yields are supreme, which I'm assuming they're not, FSM is precisely the kind of market that sadly will be seeing air service diminished. Plus, geographically, it's close enough to XNA which has enough scheduled air service (that will remain due to the corporate interests).

This is exactly the kind of market that needs to be culled down in the new climate. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's life now.

It could happen, but I submit this.......first, realize I'm speaking of DL as I don't have the figures for AA or NW out of FSM. The economics are the same for XNA as FSM....same a/c, same fuel and I would imagine, very close to the same load factors. If DL were to pull out, those people wouldn't suddenly start driving up to XNA just to catch a DL flight, no matter the loyalty. They're going to go out of their closest airport by switching carriers..i.e. AA or NW. That's just a matter of convenience. It's actually easier to drive to TUL than it is XNA, in my experience.

Since DL started operating out of FSM last June, the load factors have been, on the average, 70%+. Now, with a pending DL/NW merger, this could all just be conjecture OR DL could maintain flights to both MEM and ATL.

Time will tell.



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