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Southwest Adds Flights, Optomizes Schedule  
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

I have no idea why the original thread was deleted

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080626/lath505.html?.v=11

DALLAS, June 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Bucking the current industry
trend to reduce capacity and flights, Southwest Airlines announced today that
the carrier will utilize a brand new optimization model to add service in
select markets and tweak its schedule. Through the elimination of 31 existing
roundtrip flights from its current flight schedule, Southwest has added 40 new
roundtrip flights in key growth cities such as Denver and Ft.
Lauderdale/Hollywood. To view a complete chart of the schedule changes in
each city, click here:
http://www.swamedia.com/about_swa/press/080626_flight_changes.pdf. To view a
blog post from Schedule Development Lead Planner, Bill Owen, explaining the
airline's optimization efforts, click here: http://www.blogsouthwest.com/ .
To book flights, click here:
http://www.southwest.com/?src=PRPRPRNDENV000000080626.

"We are trimming our flight schedule, frequently and continually, of unproductive flights, while we continue to grow in cities like Denver," Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly said. "We have a much different story to tell today than our competitors. We are well prepared financially, we are the nation's Leading Low Fare Airline, we are still growing, and our People provide outstanding Customer Service. Best of all, we don't nickel and dime our Customers with added fees."

The Company will be accommodating this new service with two aircraft that it previously planned to retire, bringing this year's net aircraft growth to 15. The Company's 2008 year-over-year available seat mile (ASM) capacity growth is still expected to be in the four percent range.


Several markets will be gaining new nonstop service, including:

BEGINNING NOV. 2, 2008:
-- Three new daily nonstop roundtrips between Denver and Orange County.
-- Two new daily nonstop roundtrips between Denver and Tulsa.
-- One new daily nonstop roundtrip between Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood and Las Vegas.

-- One new daily nonstop roundtrip between Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood and Kansas City.

-- One new daily nonstop roundtrip between Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood and Albany.

-- One new daily nonstop roundtrip between Ft. Myers and St. Louis.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

MSY adds an MCO roundtrip.....good to see WN adding to the schedule here.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3619 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

Nice to see STL getting an -RSW. I was surprised WN didn't do that from the get-go.

And yeah, the deletion of the first thread is a head scratcher....



PHX based
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

I was just looking for a thread on this subject and was amazed there was none; you just beat me to starting one...

BTW, the reservation window is now open thru Jan 9, 2009, so get in there and book those holiday trips folks!

Big shocker: 20 (net) new flights for Denver which should give DEN right around 115 flights, making it a Top Ten station (knocking SAN out of that "elite" club), right behind MCO I think (since MCO gained 6 flights as well.)

There are lots of "seasonal" additions (like Florida) and deletions (at MDW and SEA for example) and some continuing trends, like OAK losing another 6 flights, SFO seeing hardly any changes and PHX, well, losing 4 (net) flights but several of them listed as "seasonal" -- ?

bb


User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

It's interesting that there is a big disconnect between the "best peforming" and "worst performing" WN routes from 4Q07 (per another thread) and the route additions listed. Three of the bottom fifteen (OAK-MDW, SJC-MDW; SEA-DEN) see less frequencies, but one of them (MCO-DEN) gains frequencies, and none of the top ten gain frequencies, but one loses a frequency (SNA-LAS).

User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6760 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
-- One new daily nonstop roundtrip between Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood and Albany.

WooHOOO!!! Looks like my inside information was right. This is, no joke, going to be a HUGE moneymaker, as it hits the FLL/MIA O&D passengers right there. Great job WN!!!



ALB, DTW, ORD, MDW, MCI, JFK, LGA, LHR, MAD, MSP, IAD, DCA, MCO, ATL, CVG, TUL, MHK, PHL, PIT, DFW, DAL, CLT, IND, AUS,
User currently offlineStock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

So nice to see Tulsa finally add a service on Southwest! After recently losing Frontier I knew that it had to be ripe for adding as that left United as the sole carrier (before when UA was our only DEN nonstop advance fares were always in the $500 range). This will be a great route for WN with oil/business connections, and many Tulsans have second homes in Colorado! Great news!

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6562 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

By my count this additional MCO flight gives MSY 39 weekday departures. I'd love to see the 40 count broken this year, but if not, it will be by '09. WN has been slowly and steadily adding to its MSY total over the past couple of years very quietly...perhaps slower than I would like to see...but any growth is a good thing.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

It's interesting to note that SNA has a net gain of 2 flights this time around; maybe they picked up a slot or 2 from the demise of AQ?

One other thing I've noticed -- and I really do NOT want to turn this thread into a WN vs. UA or F9? one -- is that WN, with the addition of SNA-DEN in November, now connects DEN with every station in California except ONT and BUR; ironically, F9 does not serve either of those cities (and they do fly SNA-DEN)... UA OTOH connects Denver with ALL of So Cal's major airports.

I'm sure eventually WN will fly BUR/ONT-DEN but those will be the last cities in the Golden State to be connected with Colorado... And yes, I do realize that they are probably the lightest markets from Denver, which is why Frontier doesn't serve them and also why WN has not yet started them. I just like to pay attention to coincidences because usually I don't believe in them.  scratchchin 

Back to my original thought in this post, has anyone kept track -- have all the Aloha slots at SNA been spoken for? Are all of Orange County's "slots" pretty much in use now? I know we are seeing flight cancellations at John Wayne, just like everywhere else, so I sure can't keep track...

Back now to looking over the 11-02 changes.

bb


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

A DEN-PIT route would make money I think. Since UA keeps cutting back service at PIT, I think WN could cash in on that. We see alot of DEN people checking in at PIT but connecting in MDW.


Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6232 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
has anyone kept track -- have all the Aloha slots at SNA been spoken for?

Well, I don't think that the AQ slots were the only ones available; I believe AS also gave up some slots when they ended OAK-SNA. Even though SNA is relatively high-yielding, it wouldn't surprise me if SNA ended the year with some unallocated slots available, given how just about everyone is cutting on the domestic side. The A320 probably can't quite make it to JFK off SNA's runway, so B6 isn't likely to start service there. FL is a possibility to ATL, but transcons are relatively unattractive at current fuel prices. Perhaps VX might try to offer SNA-SFO?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Big shocker: 20 (net) new flights for Denver which should give DEN right around 115 flights, making it a Top Ten station

I said something to that effect in the deleted thread; I'm simply bowled over by their aggressive growth at DEN. They may not be targeting Frontier, but rather waiting for either United or Frontier to blink at Denver.

The additions at FLL are a bit surprising to me -- are they trying to block potential domestic growth at FLL by Spirit?


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

So what routes were cut/reduced?

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6200 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 9):
A DEN-PIT route would make money I think. Since UA keeps cutting back service at PIT, I think WN could cash in on that. We see alot of DEN people checking in at PIT but connecting in MDW

Judging by the incredible growth out of DEN, I'm sure PIT, along with almost every other WN station currently without flights to Colorado, will see them soon enough. LAS is now connected to all other WN stations but 7 and it looks like DEN will not be far behind!

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 4):
It's interesting that there is a big disconnect between the "best peforming" and "worst performing" WN routes from 4Q07 (per another thread) and the route additions listed. Three of the bottom fifteen (OAK-MDW, SJC-MDW; SEA-DEN) see less frequencies, but one of them (MCO-DEN) gains frequencies, and none of the top ten gain frequencies, but one loses a frequency (SNA-LAS).

Remember that "seasonality" is part of the equation now, something WN didn't used to bother with. OAK-MDW, SJC-MDW, DEN-SEA and DEN-MCO are all listed as seasonal changes so those flights could come back/go away next spring. Or maybe not...

At SAN, we lost a MDW flight and gained a HOU frequency so we remain even at 108 flights but, as mentioned earlier, we are no longer a Top-Ten station. LAX also remained even with 2 losses and 2 gains this time around.

bb


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6151 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
said something to that effect in the deleted thread; I'm simply bowled over by their aggressive growth at DEN. They may not be targeting Frontier, but rather waiting for either United or Frontier to blink at Denver

And I still don't understand where the gates are coming from -- WN needs a minimum of 10 for this November schedule, and I don't see growth slowing next year either, so, what, another 3 or 4 gates minimum? It truly is amazing yet, as we see on this re-worked schedule, WN continues to add service where needed around the system.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
The additions at FLL are a bit surprising to me -- are they trying to block potential domestic growth at FLL by Spirit?

Well, UA just pulled out entirely and I'm sure WN wants to keep on Blue's tail(s) as well as NK. FLL is certainly becoming another LCC (and little else) haven and that generally means WN is in (and probably leading) the pack!

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):
So what routes were cut/reduced?

Enjoy:
http://www.swamedia.com/about_swa/press/080626_flight_changes.pdf

bb


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):
So what routes were cut/reduced?

You can refer to this chart

No cuts at AUS and we gain a third AUS-DEN flight and a second AUS-LAX flight, so I'm happy.

edited to add: Sanfan beat me to it.

LoneStarMike

[Edited 2008-06-26 14:21:03]

User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

nice to see BNA having a net gain of two flights


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5864 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 5):
WooHOOO!!! Looks like my inside information was right. This is, no joke, going to be a HUGE moneymaker, as it hits the FLL/MIA O&D passengers right there. Great job WN!!!

almost fainted when I read it.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5857 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
The additions at FLL are a bit surprising to me -- are they trying to block potential domestic growth at FLL by Spirit?

South Florida-Albany is the busiest city pair in the entire United States without non-stop service.



a.
User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

Congratulations, ALB! Well done, and well deserved. This is a nice consolation prize following the sad demise of AE service ALB-ORD. I also noticed that WN is increasing ALB-MCO back to 3x/day (service will be 2x/day during Sept/Oct) with the November skd chg. Now we can only hope for ALB-DEN n/s service by WN to start in Spring 2009! Fingers crossed...

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5707 times:



Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 18):
This is a nice consolation prize following the sad demise of AE service ALB-ORD

Whats funny is the gains for PVD and ALB today on WN more than make up for the loss in seats from AA.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5667 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
South Florida-Albany is the busiest city pair in the entire United States without non-stop service

Please explain. Based on the 4Q07 DOT stat's, ALB-MIA was 42 pax, ALB-FLL showed 168, and ALB-PBI listed 107; total: 317 O&D pax/day between ALB and S. Florida. And these are the winter numbers so they should be at about the highest part of the year. Right?

I've got 2 (unserved) Florida routes from SAN that saw a lot more than 317 pax/day during 4Q07... As I said, please set me straight here.

bb


User currently offlineB6fll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5645 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
South Florida-Albany is the busiest city pair in the entire United States without non-stop service.

???? You say some crazy things on A.net but I think you might be a little off here...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5594 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):

I've got 2 (unserved) Florida routes from SAN that saw a lot more than 317 pax/day during 4Q07... As I said, please set me straight here.

I was going my memory there, so I might have been off, but the market has topped over 500 passengers a day in certain quarters. My numbers might be pretty out dated, though.

Nonetheless, it's easily up there, though to see the true size of the market it's best to look at 1Q (snowbird traffic to Florida) and 3Q (summer traffic to Saratoga Springs and the like).



a.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Actually I think PVD-RSW takes the title... NK had over 600 daily O&D and now its unserved.


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Nothing new for OKC...

25 PITops : PIT lost a flight to PHL. YAY!!!!!!
26 KstateinALB : Definetly, I feel, the next destination that is needed to be served to ALB. Either UA or WN can do it, and I would say the latter has the better chan
27 Ckfred : Several observations. First, AA is reducing ORD departures by more than 60, and yet, WN is reducing MDW operations by 9. Second, AA is closing its OAK
28 Johnboy : I see the Kansas City flight from Sacramento is being discontinued also (IIRC at one time it provided one-stop service to BWI from SMF...) I wonder ho
29 FlyguyPBI : And no additions to PBI? Just one daily to HOU or BNA would give PAX so many other options to the west coast and central states.
30 Revelation : Things like this help retain the loyalty of the customer base.
31 MOBflyer : While not defined as regularly as South Florida, the Central Gulf Cost-Washington (MOB/PNS/GPT-DCA/IAD/BWI) is larger than ALB-South Florida. Albany-
32 BooDog : I'm surprised WN doesn't have an MSY-OAK flight; surely they could make that work.
33 SANFan : Or why not SFO-MSY? The WN operation at SFO is holding steady, perhaps very gently growing, while OAK continues its downward slide (WN's flight count
34 MOBflyer : Yes. Second largest market without nonstop service. Sorry about that, I should have been more clear. Yes, +SF, aka Bay Area, includes SFO/OAK/SJC. Su
35 SANFan : Thanks and Wow! I would imagine that SAN-+MI must certainly be in the top 5 unserved markets then since it's only about 4 pax/day less than the 2nd la
36 SHUPirate1 : I'm surprised that Southwest hasn't picked up the baton and added PBI-MDW service...blows my mind that, as of when United pulls out of West Palm Beach
37 MSYtristar : Well, before the hurricane, WN had MSY-OAK running...and it was very successful. Also, of course, MSY-LAX/SAN. I think they cut those to see what dem
38 ConcordeBoy : They made it work for many years... but never brought it back after the storm. Then again, they were cutting most of their transcons and semi-transco
39 RachelBDL : My poor little home station has been slowly losing flights over the past couple of years. After we lost service to PHL, we haven't gained any more tur
40 MSYtristar : Yeah, we always saw a decent amount of connections to both PDX and SEA....moreso SEA. LAX was generally always #1....F9 405 was a through flight MSY-
41 FlyguyPBI : Good point.... didn't think of that! That could happen actually. Sure would be a great start around October when the march of the snowbirds begins.
42 RSWA330 : I still can't believe WN hasn't jumped on this. It's nice to finally see WN do something in RSW though. I'm sure PVD will be added eventually. If not
43 MOBflyer : Sorry for the delay! Some of that that was just from one quarter skewing the results. And I was quoting the rankings from memory (but NOT the numbers
44 MOBflyer : SAN-ORF/PHF is 363.2 daily passengers and $86,166 daily in revenue; which ranks as #14 in the lower 48 without nonstop service. SAN-MCO is 521.4 dail
45 ERJ170 : What's the website for PAXstats? I would like to be able to look up some information?
46 SafetyDemo : This will certainly be felt most by those of us who commute between the two rather than taking USAirways! By the way, PITops - a big thanks to all of
47 SANFan : Very interesting. Thank you for the numbers 'flyer. Unfortunately, as in many cases, and even with real good numbers (of daily pax anyway) I kind of
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