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San Luis Obispo To Also Lose DLConn  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Delta has announced that it is dropping the SBP-SLC flights on Skywest. The route was flown twice daily.

This is in addition to the announcement that AmEagle is closing its San Luis Obispo station.

Both announcements now mean the only service remaining at SBP will be on United Express and USExpress.

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/breakingnews/story/397263.html


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

I never thought that DL shoudl be in SBP. I thought they should have gone to SMX

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

SBP has the larger passenger numbers so it was more appealing.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Heard this on the local news last night. Brings SBP down to LAS, PHX, SFO, and LAX with UAX, and US Express.

20 minutes to the south you have SMX, which has LAX, IWA, and LAS with UAX, and G4.

60 minutes to the south, there is SBA, which has LAX (x2), SFO, SJC, DEN, DFW, SLC, LAS (x2), PHX, PDX, SEA, SAN, and SMF with UAX, US Express, QX, XE, DL Connection, American Eagle, and G4.

40 minutes down on the 101, is OXR, which has LAX with UAX.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

It's too bad San Luis Obispo and Santa Maria never consolidated service in one airport midway between the two cities. They might have had a better chance of maintaining service.

If you were an airline, which would you choose?



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2537 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
If you were an airline, which would you choose?

San Luis. Santa Maria has the higher population, but is too close to Santa Barbara to really compete. Santa Maria also has a shuttle to LAX (SBP does not) so SMX does lose some pax all the way to LAX.

But SMX is the better airport. Its runway is quite a bit longer, has a real baggage carousel, larger holdroom, and FREE parking.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2511 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
LAS, PHX, SFO, and LAX with UAX, and US Express.

SBP-LAS on US Airways ends in mid-August.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2508 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
It's too bad San Luis Obispo and Santa Maria never consolidated service in one airport midway between the two cities. They might have had a better chance of maintaining service.

The older Central Coast service was in PRB and SMX (60s and 70s). San Luis Obispo really didn't have service until SwiftAire started in 1969. They took advantage of the university demand and built up the airport.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2486 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 2):
SBP has the larger passenger numbers so it was more appealing.

isnt the runway too short for a fully loaded CRJ to go to SLC?


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

UAX seems to be maintaining nine daily flights to LAX (4) and SFO (5).


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2474 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 8):
isnt the runway too short for a fully loaded CRJ to go to SLC?

Delta did it.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2463 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 8):
isnt the runway too short for a fully loaded CRJ to go to SLC?

In short, no. The CRJ-200's that SkyWest uses aren't nearly as wimpy as the ones flwon by other carriers.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

They extended the SBP runway last year by 1,000 feet making it 6100 feet.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

The runway now plenty long, but I do believe DL did the flight when it was shorter.

[Edited 2008-06-26 11:39:13]


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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2411 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):

In case anyone is NOT from the area, we should clarify that the times you listed are additive. For example, OXR is 40 minutes from SBA, not from SBP. Those are pretty optimistic drive times as well.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2393 times:



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 14):
In case anyone is NOT from the area, we should clarify that the times you listed are additive. For example, OXR is 40 minutes from SBA, not from SBP.

Thanks.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 14):
Those are pretty optimistic drive times as well.

I meant to put 30 minutes for SBP-SMX, other than that, the times are real life.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2298 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Both announcements now mean the only service remaining at SBP will be on United Express and USExpress.

Sounds fair. You get one-stop connections to much of the country via LAX and SFO. Just not on DL via SLC.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
It's too bad San Luis Obispo and Santa Maria never consolidated service in one airport midway between the two cities. They might have had a better chance of maintaining service.

At 20 miles separation, even in todays gas price environment, you are talking an extra $10 to drive there and back from SBP. And that's assuming a single rider in the car...



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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

The California central coast has a long history of regional air service, Swift Aire and Wings West at SBP and Pacific Coast at SBA. The problem at SBP is that the 50 passenger CRJ isn't cost-effective for the 155 st. mi route to LAX at today's fuel prices even with high load factors. The solution may be to turn back the clock and get some EMB-120 Brasilias or Saab 340s back on the line, or go back even farther in history with 19 passenger aircraft minus the FA.

Whatever the aircraft solution, San Luis Obispo is a central California city with a sizable university population potentially now without essential air service. Given the driving distance to Santa Barbara (the nearest airport with major airline connections) and today's traffic that is an untenable position to be in. Don't be surprised if those old Swift/Wings West hangers at SBP airport aren't filled with aircraft from still another start-up regional.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2220 times:



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 17):
The problem at SBP is that the 50 passenger CRJ isn't cost-effective for the 155 st. mi route to LAX at today's fuel prices even with high load factors. The solution may be to turn back the clock and get some EMB-120 Brasilias or Saab 340s back on the line

As far as I know, the CRJ has never operated LAX-SBP.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8634 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2201 times:



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 17):
Whatever the aircraft solution, San Luis Obispo is a central California city with a sizable university population potentially now without essential air service. Given the driving distance to Santa Barbara (the nearest airport with major airline connections) and today's traffic that is an untenable position to be in.

Huh? I would say the service at SBP is adequate. It is a tiny airport facility (that is easily overcrowded). But the network connections out of LAX, SFO, PHX are extensive. What is not to like? 1-stops to pretty much every big USA city, Western Canada and many places in Asia / Hawaii... SBP is just fine. It could not support 4 airlines but 2, certainly.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2172 times:



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 17):
The California central coast has a long history of regional air service, Swift Aire and Wings West at SBP and Pacific Coast at SBA.

I prefer to remember the name Apollo Airways at SBA, before it changed to Pacific Coast.

An Apollo liveried aircraft appeared in the James Bond flick "Moonraker". Jaws battles 007 on the aircraft before they both start skydiving.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
Huh? I would say the service at SBP is adequate. It is a tiny airport facility (that is easily overcrowded).

They have plans to start construction on a new terminal. I think the opening was to be 2010.



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

It will be interesting to see what the airport does with Eagles hanger. Way back when I worked for Wings West DBA American Eagle. We where told the hanger is zoned only for a airline.

David



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8634 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2109 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
They have plans to start construction on a new terminal. I think the opening was to be 2010.

Good. Last time there, it was a real zoo during the AM departures. But it appears to have plenty of land for facilities. I mean it was really small. 40, 50 chairs combined at the gates and that's it.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2018 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
They have plans to start construction on a new terminal. I think the opening was to be 2010.

You mean SBA or SBP?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1992 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 23):
You mean SBA or SBP?

I meant SBP. Although as you know SBA also has plans.

Quote:
And in California, "the San Luis Obispo County Regional Airport plans to build a $60 million terminal as part of a $102 million improvement plan already underway. Scheduled to be completed by 2010, the 50,000-square-foot terminal will feature seven gates and a 900-space parking garage. The airport served about 380,000 passengers in 2007."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2008/01/airport-check-1.html




"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
25 Boston92 : Why does the airport need 50,000 sq feet? SBA's terminal is 20,000 sq feet, and it serves 900,000 passengers annually. Its plan is to expand it to 67
26 StuckInCA : SBA's terminal is WAY too small based on my experiences. Despite the generally nice weather, I don't like having to stand in line outside for securit
27 PanAm747 : 22 nautical miles between SMX and SBP, and 34.4 driving miles between them. Assuming a new airport goes between the two cities, that's only 17.2 mile
28 FATFlyer : I'd have to find the master plan to see why the 50,000 sq ft. But my guess is to allow room for current and future security rules. Many airports are
29 Ikramerica : SBA is really, really cramped. They need room for security, concessions, rest rooms, baggage handling, check-in, employee lounges, crew lounges, etc.
30 FlyPBA : I wish Horizon would take over from LAX-SBP or better yet SEA-SBP
31 Dc10s2hnl : Well due to Eagle's mx base at SBP, there was a daily ERJ flight to LAX (which previously routed SBP-SJC). Anyway, jets are suicidal on that stage le
32 Highflier92660 : Call sign "Sonic" by any name, may thay always be remembered. For those not California regional airline history buffs, they were a regional airline b
33 FATFlyer : Thats just for us oldtimers. Hate to admit it but when I was 21 Apollo was one of the regionals that I got a chance to tour and talk to the Sr. Execs
34 Boston92 : Which is why they really need a new terminal building which was supposed to start construction in 2008. Just to give people an example of how cramped
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