WithaK From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12887 times:
I can't wait to see those wingletted 767's. It should make it an even more graceful aircraft.
I have been trying to get more information on spiroid winglets for a couple of years now and haven't been able to find much. What has been the reason it has taken the spiroid winglet to long to reach its current state of development? Is it moving forward only now because of the increase in fuel prices?
Eraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12810 times:
I wonder if DL/AA plan on updating the interiors to 777 style interiors? btw are these interiors lighter weight that the interiors they were built with? That could be another reason to do this if that was the case. Less weight for more cargo or pax.
CcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12645 times:
Quoting AQ737 (Reply 5): Will it fly throughout the AA system or are there specific routes that it will be used on. I'm flying HNL-ORD-CDG in the middle of July and was wondering if I'd have a chance on flying the test plane.
Only certain people can fly on experimental aircraft. Once it is in a test phase it is experimental. The FAA has to certify the modification and make sure it is safe for use as a passenger plane before accepting passengers.
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
Undestood. I apologize. I misread the article in saying that the aircraft would be in service to test the economics on passenger flights before installing the sets on the rest of the 763 fleet. I knew that it would take longer, so I see that this is a mere testing.
KochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11458 times:
Quoting WithaK (Reply 4): What has been the reason it has taken the spiroid winglet to long to reach its current state of development? Is it moving forward only now because of the increase in fuel prices?
Ive been asking this question a while back on a post regarding the length of time it took to get the 767 winglet fitted and got all sorts of answers
EA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11191 times:
Thanks IAD787 for the always informative posts! Those spiroid winglets are very odd to say the least, but with the kinds of improvements they're talking about, who cares what they look like. I am very anxious to see a 767 with 11 ft. winglets. I bet it looks just killer, I guess like a larger 757 with winglets. What I really thought was interesting was this:
"We have a plan for the 777. I think you'll be seeing something very shortly," added Clark.
Clark believes that blended winglets will be flying on the 777 within two years.
"We think the 777 will benefit substantially from our technology," Clark speculated. "The 777 is a great airplane and will be around a long, long time. With the advance in aerodynamics we won't really be able to improve the fuel consumption or reduce the drag by as much as some of the other airplanes, but we still think it'll be in the 3-4% range, which is a big number for an airplane like that."
I wonder if Boeing would work with APB on this. Possibly an option on future 777 upgrades...??? If Boeing were to tweak the engines, install some winglets and more aerodynamic improvements, the 77W could really give the 3510 a run for its money on certain routes, and same with the 77L against the proposed 359R.
I'd also really love to see an A380-900 with 18 ft. winglets It would look ridiculously good
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Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11068 times:
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 23): Boeing were to tweak the engines, install some winglets and more aerodynamic improvements, the 77W could really give the 3510 a run for its money
?? The 77W already has wingtip devices on it. He merely expressed he would "like to compete with Boeing" on it, suggesting who knows, a 0.5% better performance or so.
I really think his claimed 3-4% improvement refers to early 777-200(ER) without any wingtip devices at all. These would be the likely candidates for the APB upgrades, the many 777-200s already flying, not the newer LRs and 77Ws which already have nice Boeing devices on them.
The speculation about LHR-SYD on 77L relates to the "spiroid" devices, which are not available on anything today and must be considered early stage experimental. Those are for the deep future.