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Delta 77W Simulator Qualified FAA Level D  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Just got the word that our new 777-300ER simulator has received FAA Level D certification. This is the first flight simulator qualified under the recent FAA Part 60 rules.

It will be converted to match our 777-200LR in April/May 2009.



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User currently offlineGjsint172 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3300 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
simulator has received FAA Level D certification

What does that mean to us non-pilots?

Thanks
GJSINT172


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3272 times:



Quoting Gjsint172 (Reply 1):
What does that mean to us non-pilots?

Basically it means that the device has been thoroughly tested by the FAA and has been certified to be used in training air crews.

Full flight simulators are certified at Levels A, B, C, or D.

Level A: static controls, night visual, three-axis motion, 45x30 field of view.
Level B: same as level A, with a ground handling and buffets.
Level C: static and dynamic controls, night and dusk visual, 6 axis motion, 75x30 field of view, ground handling, runway contaminants, cockpit noise and buffets.
Level D: static and dynamic controls, night, dusk, and day visual, 6 axis motion, 75x30 field of view, ground handling, feel and see runway contaminants, more realistic cockpit noise, buffets, and an operative radar.

Basically its the way the FAA can judge the "realism" of the simulation.

FTDs, flight training devices, are weighed similarly, but are on a number scale.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

A more thorough overview of the National Simulator Program can be found here: http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_initiatives/aircraft_aviation/nsp/

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5834 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3216 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
It will be converted to match our 777-200LR in April/May 2009.

Why the delay, and is a 777-300ER simulator of use to an airline with only 777-200ERs and 777-200LRs? Thanks.


User currently offlineAA388 From Puerto Rico, joined Sep 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

why does delta have a 77W simulator??

you beat me by that much

-max

[Edited 2008-06-26 16:33:30]


Flown on A319, A320, A321, A330-200, A340-300, 737-3,5,7,8, 747-400, 757-2,3, 767-300, 777-200
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3149 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 4):
Why the delay, and is a 777-300ER simulator of use to an airline with only 777-200ERs and 777-200LRs? Thanks.

As is the case with 757/767 crews, they can train on either simulator due to cockpit commonality. A 777 cockpit is essentially the same regardless of what the subtype is.

The sim was originally a white tail device, meaning it wasn't built for a specific company. Delta purchased it after the construction phase had already begun.

Why the delay? Money.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3116 times:



Quoting Gjsint172 (Reply 1):
What does that mean to us non-pilots?

To add to flynavy...... this means that pilots first REAL flight in the plane can have you in the back  Smile


User currently offline777DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

the 777 can be trained in any variant of the 777 simulator, since the cockpit does not change between the 200/300//LR//ER

User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Since when did DL order some 77Ws? I haven't seen anything on that at all.  confused 

It makes sense that there's commonality, but IF they did order some 77Ws, then either this slipped right under my nose or the Delta fans are slacking off.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2945 times:



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 9):
Since when did DL order some 77Ws? I haven't seen anything on that at all.

We didn't. Re-read the post.

The sim is to be converted to 77L next year. It was a white tail device originally.


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Come on Chris, you know people on here don't read before posting  Wink

User currently offlineIronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2889 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 10):
Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 9):
Since when did DL order some 77Ws? I haven't seen anything on that at all.

We didn't. Re-read the post.

The sim is to be converted to 77L next year. It was a white tail device originally.

Bah! That's just what you want us to think!!  Wink


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

It will be used as a 77L for now as FlyNavy said....

for now...



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2817 times:



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 12):
Bah! That's just what you want us to think!!

I guess you'll just have to wait and see.  stirthepot 


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2682 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 14):
I guess you'll just have to wait and see.

Could it be both? I saw you post on how you guys let AM use the sims but you have different software from them so could you guys do the same for this sim? have both 77L and 77W?
(just note I have no clue about any of this stuff so be nice)



yep.
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2499 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
Could it be both? I saw you post on how you guys let AM use the sims but you have different software from them so could you guys do the same for this sim? have both 77L and 77W?
(just note I have no clue about any of this stuff so be nice)

You're thinking about customer options. Changing between engine types (i.e. Trent to GE, etc.) and a different FMS NDB only requires minor tweaks. But when you have to change an aircraft's entire flight profile (i.e. 77L vs. 77W) you're talking about a major change (and thus investment).

A similar instance would be our 737-832 sims. The sim is always a -800, but some people who rent it out from us are -700 operators. The cockpit is the same regardless of subtype.

Another example would be the MD88/90 fleet here at Delta. Even though a MD88 pilot based in ATL would more often than not only fly the MD88 and not the MD90, he/she could do recurrent training on the MD90 simulator and it would still be considered valid.

Hopefully this all makes sense?


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