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Will Passengers Stop Buy BOB?  
User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

With many US airlines start charge or change their meal around. Seem like that more of meal aboard US airlines are wothless expect for business or First class. Seem that many passengers in Economy class have to suffer the more charge for drinks and meal. Even meals are getting less and less to almost nothing on a long routes. I think more passengers would start bring the meal aboard planes from food courts so that they would not have to pay $4 or something for a cheap small bag of chip rather than pay for real meal that most Intl airlines currently provided meals on short and long routes.

Do you think passengers would refused to buy for meal on flight and bring meal aboard flight to have a good decent meal rather than small one?? Do you think that US airlines should charge for real meals as Intl airlines?

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User currently offlineAirborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Yes-- They have no choice.. Unless you can get them OIl at $55.00 a barrel..
Please.... We aren't in year 1980.... its now 2008


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

As long as there is a "snack" - some kind of munchie available - I don't think passengers will revolt at all. It's at least an attempt to provide some food; however, most passengers know that at their connecting airport there are food alternatives.

My recent experience with Delta was that their Buy On Board didn't offer much in terms of interest or variety. Oh well. No big deal - it was dinner time when I arrived in Atlanta, and the choices there were extraordinary!

In terms of feeling "entitled" to a meal, though, I think those days are LONG over.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2378 times:



Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
Do you think passengers would refused to buy for meal on flight and bring meal aboard flight to have a good decent meal rather than small one?? Do you think that US airlines should charge for real meals as Intl airlines?

I'm honestly not quite sure what you're actually getting at in your post though. No-one is forcing anyone to purchase anything (I assume you mean BOB as that is your thread title), it's anyone's choice so what do you mean by refusing? Also what do you mean by a "decent meal"? Why is it that most in the US seem to expect fancy meals....it's only a flight from A to B and even a transcon should be an insurmountable hardship, considering you can eat all you want either before you board or after disembarkation? If you're meaning should US airlines charge for "real" meals in the price of a ticket like non-US carriers, well I think it's been shown repeatedly that pax there don't want to pay for them even though they bitch like hell because they aren't provided. You must remember the outlook/mentality is completely different.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2265 times:



Quoting Airborne1 (Reply 1):
Yes-- They have no choice.. Unless you can get them OIl at $55.00 a barrel..
Please.... We aren't in year 1980.... its now 2008

Yeah, in 2008 most in the airline industry seem to believe the best way to survive is to drive customers away. Brilliant!  rotfl 


User currently offlineASAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Do people not remember the jokes about how awful airline food used to be? Why is everyone suddenly so nostalgic for shoe-leather salisbury steak and powdered mashed potatoes?

What is your question? Most people are happy to take responsibility for their own needs and either bring food from home or purchase something in the airport and they have been doing this for years, even when airlines did provide meals. For those that simply don't know any better airlines offer snacks for purchase and on longer flights you do see fresh selections like sandwiches and salads that are actually quite decent. If you want what the airline is offering you buy it, if not you don't. What's the problem? It has been proven time and time again that people would rather not pay even $5 extra for a ticket that includes a meal. Why should airlines bother serving anything when the people who complain when there is no food are the same ones who complain about whatever food they would be served.



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User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Here in Ireland both EI (on shorthaul) and FR have an extensive range on their BOB menus.

EI are well known for their tasty breakfast meal.

BOB is the future. On shorthaul I think it is a good idea and airlines will adapt to offer consumers what they want in order to make a profit from it.

Here is an example of EI BOB

http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obe...gdffgdfki.0&P_OID=-8074&Category=3


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1997 times:
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Quoting Boeing743 (Thread starter):
With many US airlines start charge or change their meal around. Seem like that more of meal aboard US airlines are wothless expect for business or First class. Seem that many passengers in Economy class have to suffer the more charge for drinks and meal. Even meals are getting less and less to almost nothing on a long routes.

Poor grammar? Check.

Spelling errors? Check.

A post with no real direction? Check.

Scotty, is that you?



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User currently offlineVoltage From United States of America, joined May 2007, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Trying to sift through the grammar, I think what the OP is trying to say is that if airlines are going to make you pay for food, they should at least give you an option to buy something decent. In my experience, the snack packs they offer are horribly unappetizing and unhealthy. Please sell me a little sandwich instead of a pack of pringles and a stick of beef jerky.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I am actually warming up to the idea if there is good BOB food.
Last week I took flights on FlyLAL and Blue1, both were about 2,5 hours, about 100 euro including taxes and they had affordable BOB options on board. Three years ago maybe they had full meals on the same flights but they'd have been 200 euro, so I rather have the BOB. Maybe 25% of the people bought something, but that's cheaper for everyone, the airline also has to fly less meals around, less waste and people who don't really like the food can take something at or from home instead. FlyLAL had classic style hot airline meals, like chicken and rice, including wine and bread for 7 euro.
A few years ago I was annoyed by the BOB concept and it took me a while before I started to warm up to the concept and buy sometimes.



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

The whole idea about BOB is giving people the choice. If they don't want to eat then thats just fine. In the UK you can be on a train between Manchester and the South Coast for anything up to 4 or 5 hours and you get sod all complimentary so how is flying any different?

What I will say is that the BOB offering on the US Airlines I have flown on (AA, US, Ted) was utter rubbish when compared to the European carriers. As crew I have done BOB ond BA (GT) and U2 and the choice has been far superior even if an increased choice means that you can run out of various things.

The US flight I took between PHL-TPA made me laugh when there were only 10 snack boxes loaded on the 2.5/3 hour flight. Here in the UK we'd get linched for having such a mesely BOB offering but that ipitimises the difference in how we view air travel at each end of the Atlantic. To Americans the flight is just a bus whereas it is taking longer for us Europeans to see it as that. Some passengers on certain UK-Med/Canaries lesiure flights cannot see why airlines are dropping meals but yet are demanding ever lower fares.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1847 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 10):
What I will say is that the BOB offering on the US Airlines I have flown on (AA, US, Ted) was utter rubbish when compared to the European carriers.

I wouldn't feed it to my dog and I don't even have a dog  Smile
I stopped counting on eating on board a flight a very long time ago. Even on TATL flights I typically eat a real meal just before I get on the plane and another after I arrive at my destination. Even the coffee that's served on board most flights is absolutely disgusting and it's not that easy to screw up coffee. And then some people have the audacity to say that an FA job is skilled labor  duck 


User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1826 times:



Quoting ASAFA (Reply 5):
Do people not remember the jokes about how awful airline food used to be? Why is everyone suddenly so nostalgic for shoe-leather salisbury steak and powdered mashed potatoes?

That is something I've never understood.. comedians used to joke about how bad the food was, and now people are pining for it.. go figure..  Smile


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1734 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 11):
Even the coffee that's served on board most flights is absolutely disgusting and it's not that easy to screw up coffee. And then some people have the audacity to say that an FA job is skilled labor

Something you would have to take up with Nescafe, Kenco etc etc I'm afraid.



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User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

I suggest the airlines pack extra business class/first class meals and sell them in economy class!!

User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1463 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 7):

I know that I do not have a perfect English grammars. I am trying my best to make sense with what I was trying to say. It is challenge as English is not my primary language. ASL (American Sign Language) is my primary language.

Anyway, back to topic. I think that US airlines should look at meal service that all Intl airlines offer. I am sure meals would be success if US airlines offer the real meal for good decent prices. I would apprecation a good meal on long haul routes in US rather than small bag of pretzels or peanuts.


User currently offlineASAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1401 times:



Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 16):
Anyway, back to topic. I think that US airlines should look at meal service that all Intl airlines offer. I am sure meals would be success if US airlines offer the real meal for good decent prices. I would apprecation a good meal on long haul routes in US rather than small bag of pretzels or peanuts.

I agree, however predicting how well the meals will sell is not exactly easy. Some flights will sell out in the first few rows and others will have racks and racks of unsold (and therefore wasted) hot meals. Most US airlines buy on board programs generate thin profits at best and often either break-even or lose money. That is why you see so many pre-packaged options that can be reused on later flights.

The problem is that if people start counting on getting a really good meal on board and the airline sells out you end up with a worse situation than before. I have heard EI has this problem with their really good english breakfast option because it sells out quickly and this tends to create more angry customers (those who expected breakfast and didn't get it) than satisfied ones.



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1250 times:



Quoting ASAFA (Reply 16):
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 16):
Anyway, back to topic. I think that US airlines should look at meal service that all Intl airlines offer. I am sure meals would be success if US airlines offer the real meal for good decent prices. I would apprecation a good meal on long haul routes in US rather than small bag of pretzels or peanuts.

I agree, however predicting how well the meals will sell is not exactly easy. Some flights will sell out in the first few rows and others will have racks and racks of unsold (and therefore wasted) hot meals. Most US airlines buy on board programs generate thin profits at best and often either break-even or lose money. That is why you see so many pre-packaged options that can be reused on later flights.

The problem is that if people start counting on getting a really good meal on board and the airline sells out you end up with a worse situation than before. I have heard EI has this problem with their really good english breakfast option because it sells out quickly and this tends to create more angry customers (those who expected breakfast and didn't get it) than satisfied ones.

This also used to happen with the BOB BA flights that were operated by GB Airways out of MAN. Some flights you could sell 50 hot meals where on others you would sell 20.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
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Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 14):
I suggest the airlines pack extra business class/first class meals and sell them in economy class!!

Agree with you 150 % AirAmericaC46! They need to do something. They are complaining about how they are losing so much money, well maybe it's time they have options of full BOB meals. In particular midcons West Coast to ORD/ATL/MSP/DTW etc., as well as all transcon/Hawaii & Canada flights. If they offer a high quality meal and charge accordingly, I think this wll help things out quite a bit, instead of selling all of this junk food. If they can charge for checked bags now, why not charge for something passengers might actually not mind paying for-a meal they might actually enjoy eating.


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