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New Delta Economy Class For 2010  
User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13278 times:

In the latest issue of Airliner World, there was an article concerning new designs in cabin seating and overall interior cabin design.

Present in that article was a picture of a staggered seating arrangement. The seats are staggered by several inches to allow passengers more space.

AirlinerWorld stated that this design was to be unveiled in Deltas 767 and 777 economy classes beginning 2010.

Does anyone have more information, pictures, etc?
How would this staggered seating treat passengers in the middle of the cabin?
Will this staggered design work?

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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13282 times:

There is a thread on it somewhere on here, disussed a few months ago I think the company name is Thomson something or other

apparently they can get one extra abreast on the 763, while providing more room for each passenger.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13283 times:

I think it is called the Thompson Cozy Suite.

More info here-
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_cozysuite.html



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13240 times:

There is the thread http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3913667/


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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13221 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 2):
I think it is called the Thompson Cozy Suite.

More info here-
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/t....html

IIRC, Delta has exclusivty on this new seating in the U.S. Ijust wonder how the staggered seating will impact the ability to do an emergency evacuation as it will no longer be a straight shot to an over the wing emergecy exit.



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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13197 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 4):
Ijust wonder how the staggered seating will impact the ability to do an emergency evacuation as it will no longer be a straight shot to an over the wing emergecy exit.

Good point. Maybe that extra breast of seats would have to be sacrificed around the Emergency exit?

Cozy Suite....
When Exiting your row, wouldnt you be more prone to hit the backward staggered row in front of you?

It sounds cool and in the showroom looks promising but how will it do in the aircraft?


User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13185 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 4):
IIRC, Delta has exclusivty on this new seating in the U.S. Ijust wonder how the staggered seating will impact the ability to do an emergency evacuation as it will no longer be a straight shot to an over the wing emergecy exit.

I was told that the work that Delta has to do to get it approved is what gets them the exclusivity



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13112 times:

Can someone tell me how you get an extra seat with a staggered arrangement? The seats are the same width whether straight or staggered, aren't they?


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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13051 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 2):
I think it is called the Thompson Cozy Suite.

More info here-
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/t....html

I think its gonna be funny to see flight attendants serving meals bending in the weird ways to get us our trays. (of course, if shes fine looking it would be a nice treat) but anyhow...

How will these seats tilt. from the pics from the link, it sure does look like a suite but im not sure i like it that much.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13034 times:

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 8):
How will these seats tilt.

I was wondering that, too. It doesn't look to me like there's any provision for reclining.

If the person directly in front of you reclines, how does the person in the window seat get out to the aisle?

[Edited 2008-06-26 20:08:06]


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13026 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
I was wondering that, too. It doesn't look to me like there's any provision for reclining.

Read the description. It states that the seat reclines by the seat bucket moving down and forward. The seat backs themselves do not move.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13004 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
Read the description. It states that the seat reclines by the seat bucket moving down and forward. The seat backs themselves do not move.

I don't think my back works that way.  wink 



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12986 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
I was wondering that, too. It doesn't look to me like there's any provision for reclining.

I think the seat cushion itself kind of slides forward, which allows you to "recline" into a sleeping position. I could be wrong, but I believe that's what was stated in the original thread.


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12937 times:



Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 8):
I think its gonna be funny to see flight attendants serving meals bending in the weird ways to get us our trays. (of course, if shes fine looking it would be a nice treat) but anyhow...

won't be a problem by 2010...airlines won't be serving any meals by then  Smile

Seriously though, I am really looking forward to this seat getting installed. The current DL International seating and cabin in general (767) is very dated and uncomfortable. At least to me who at 6' + has a lot of difficulty getting comfortable on TATL flights when the seatbacks are only OK for anyone under 5' 6".


User currently offlineIronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12815 times:



Quoting Acey559 (Reply 12):


Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
I was wondering that, too. It doesn't look to me like there's any provision for reclining.

I think the seat cushion itself kind of slides forward, which allows you to "recline" into a sleeping position. I could be wrong, but I believe that's what was stated in the original thread.

Exactly. This is similar to the way many First Class pods have been since the late 1990s, except they have ottomans and leg rests that bridge the seat and ottoman in the full-flat position. The "dipping and sliding" position describing the reclined position (not flat) is very comfortable, like a bucket seat in a car.


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12708 times:



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 14):
Exactly. This is similar to the way many First Class pods have been since the late 1990s, except they have ottomans and leg rests that bridge the seat and ottoman in the full-flat position. The "dipping and sliding" position describing the reclined position (not flat) is very comfortable, like a bucket seat in a car

I think the seat reclines in the same way as the "new" CX economy seats.



What?
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12704 times:

the seats are amazingly comfortable.


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User currently offlineHouStrategies From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12646 times:

Space is good, but it's a bit discomforting having somebody looking right over your shoulder - and out of your vision - at your laptop, reading materials, documents, etc. the whole flight. Currently, at least you can sense and see when somebody next to you has their head turned and is staring at your stuff.

User currently offlineIronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12499 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Reply 17):
Space is good, but it's a bit discomforting having somebody looking right over your shoulder - and out of your vision - at your laptop, reading materials, documents, etc. the whole flight. Currently, at least you can sense and see when somebody next to you has their head turned and is staring at your stuff.

I understand the need/desire to work on a plane, but I've always considered it imprudent due to the almost entirely confidential nature of my (and I would assume most people's) work. A privacy filter is one thing that can definitely help on the laptop front.

When I was flying back from HKG-EWR a few months ago in 2L there was a gentleman in 1L who, based upon his interactions with the crew flew that flight every week (some commute, huh?). To my amazement, he had his documents out and worked the entire flight, he never even reclined the seat, which made my life easy!!

In my judgment, there was no reason for him to be overly concerned about his own privacy because he was in that front right corner of the aircraft, with no lav's forward, and no one in the seat next to him.

I asked the F/A about it and she said he always sits alone in that window seat so that he can work. I guess I'm taking the privacy and confidentiality example to the extreme, but I thought it made sense.

I can't imagine pulling out my laptop or anything confidential in coach where a number of people can easily see it.


User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12416 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
I was wondering that, too. It doesn't look to me like there's any provision for reclining.

If the person directly in front of you reclines, how does the person in the window seat get out to the aisle?

The Cosy suite will actually make emergency evacuations go faster, since the seat back is a fixed shell and does not recline. The seat pan (the part your butt sits on) raises up like a theater seat, thereby allowing greater access to the aisle. The recline within the Cosy Suite is driven by the seatback and seatpan sliding forward within the fixed shell.

The Cozy suite is a very ingenious design in which economy class passengers will have greater comfort while Delta will be able to add an additional seat to each row in Y class on the 767 and 777 without sacrificing passenger comfort. The design is such that there is extra space gained because the arm rests are within the seat shell, thereby making the seat set narrower, which permits the additional room to add the extra seat. The aisles will be slightly narrower than before, but if Delta can add an additional 30-35 seats per aircraft on the 767 and almost 50 on the 777, then it can lower it's ASMs by a considerable margin, which makes the seat pay for itself.

It is also my understanding that the Thompson Business Class seat is going to be installed in the 767 instead of the current 777 Business Class seats that are on the 77L. The Thompson Business Class seat gives more room while also providing a fully flat bed. It also can accommodate more seats than the existing herringbone pattern on the 77L now...in which the common complaint is the narrowness of the seat.

baw716



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12133 times:



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 18):
When I was flying back from HKG-EWR a few months ago in 2L there was a gentleman in 1L who, based upon his interactions with the crew flew that flight every week (some commute, huh?).

Imagine the FF status....  biggrin 

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 19):
The Cosy suite will actually make emergency evacuations go faster, since the seat back is a fixed shell and does not recline. The seat pan (the part your butt sits on) raises up like a theater seat, thereby allowing greater access to the aisle. The recline within the Cosy Suite is driven by the seatback and seatpan sliding forward within the fixed shell.

Yup. And from having sat in similar seats that work in a similar fashion, it is actually quite comfortable. You do have to accept that you can only recline to one side, but I think it would beat a standard Y-class seat any day of the week. Especially for a 77W mission.


User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11783 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Reply 17):
Space is good, but it's a bit discomforting having somebody looking right over your shoulder - and out of your vision - at your laptop, reading materials, documents, etc. the whole flight. Currently, at least you can sense and see when somebody next to you has their head turned and is staring at your stuff.

Thats funny but absolutely true....we all like to know whos watching us, when, why, etc.
On the other hand, with the traditional way, your periphery can be put to use.


User currently offlineJetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Does Delta intend to put these seats in the A330s and 747s if/when the Delta and Northwest merger goes through?

User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Not bad of the seat but no reclining anymore?  Sad

User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10872 times:



Quoting HouStrategies (Reply 17):
Space is good, but it's a bit discomforting having somebody looking right over your shoulder - and out of your vision - at your laptop, reading materials, documents, etc. the whole flight. Currently, at least you can sense and see when somebody next to you has their head turned and is staring at your stuff.

what do you have a crystal ball or something? Your 'perception' of how discomforting these seats will be is rather pathetic. Why not wait to reserve comment until after you've been sitting in one of these seats for an 8 hour flight. I highly doubt someone, anyone, will be interested in staring at you or your laptop for the 'whole' flight.


25 Post contains links HouStrategies : Oh, the seats may be perfectly comfortable - and actually look more comfortable for a long intl trip. It's just the offset that may feel odd. Picture
26 Sdexplorer00 : Anyone ever hear of 3M privacy screens?
27 A340Crew : what if you are traveling two people together..?
28 Vasu : Mwahaha... as a non-recliner all I can say is "yippee!!" (though I do understand everyone has different viewpoints on the issue )
29 Alitalia744 : While the physical seat doesn't recline backward, the down-forward slope movement is actually more comfortable. Give the seats a chance they are amaz
30 Vasu : Wow, even the 747s? I thought NW didn't even want to PTV-them up!
31 Delta763 : I'm disappointed that they'd be messing with the nice passenger-friendly 2-3-2 config of the 767. But, I suppose progress has to happen. I also don't
32 Alitalia744 : Depends on how long they plan on flying them. Given today's economic conditions, I doubt they're going to go and order replacement planes right away.
33 Mayor : According to Thomson's website, the seats are actually wider than most coach seats, today, at 20 inches as opposed to 17 inches.
34 Evan767 : Can you decipher that please?
35 Cloudboy : I am glad they have reduced seat size. It still doesn't decrease passenger size, and it's already tight enough across as it is. No matter how you stag
36 TylerDurden : People grossly overestimate how interesting their 'confidential' information will be to someone else. If it's that sensitive, you have no business ac
37 Post contains images Jumbojet : Im sorry but I am not seeing what your seeing. The people that would be sitting behind that guy would be no where to close to him to invade in his sp
38 NwAflyer07 : Looks interesting. Perhaps the airline industry will be in for a radical change for the better in the next decade or so... hopefully.
39 PC12Fan : And you know this how? They aren't even in service yet.
40 TylerDurden : Where did you fly on one? Just curious.
41 Alitalia744 : A lot of people have sat in a lot of seats that aren't in service yet. See above.
42 TylerDurden : So you don't know. I've picked out several office chairs I thought were 'amazingly comfortable' ...only to return them after sitting in them all day.
43 HouStrategies : Not in his space, but the two women don't even have to turn their heads to read or watch anything he's reading or watching. You know, it doesn't even
44 CokePopper : Does anyone remember the slogan for E.F Hutton? When E.F. Hutton speaks.....people listen. As a new Poster and a long time lurker I have learned that
45 Evan767 : It would be nice though if he gave us a little elaboration as to why he has his opinion. How did he get to sit in the seats?
46 CokePopper : ---I don't think he can tell us everything. I just take him at his word that if he sat in them, he did. Maybe he was on one of my flights to DUB to vi
47 DeltaL1011man : Could be the same way people got to sit in the new BizE seats before they where put on any of DL's Fleet? Hell for all we know he could be the guy in
48 Viscount724 : That is how BA fits their Club World seats on 747s and 777s 8-abreast, and why half the seats face backwards. The area required for your upper body (
49 PC12Fan : But what about THESE seats? Since when is an opinion scientific fact?
50 DeltaL1011man : I'm talking about when he talks about anything Delta not just the seats.
51 Alitalia744 : Popper you JFK or ATL based?
52 787luvr : Alitalia744, Can you spell that out for us?
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