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Comair Workers Let Go At MCO And FLL  
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1902 posts, RR: 20
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Per company memo today:

"At the end of this summer, Comair will consolidate its Customer Service operations in Orlando, Fla. (MCO) and Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (FLL) with Delta. Currently, Delta serves mainline flights and Comair handles Delta Connection gate and ramp activity in both locations. After August 24 in FLL and September 15 in MCO, all Delta and Delta Connection flights will be combined and fully handled by mainline.

"These changes are a direct result of the unprecedented rise in fuel costs and in no way reflect the service we have provided in these stations over the years," explained Don Stephens, vice president of Customer Services and System Planning, in a memo to all employees. "The contributions of our people in MCO and FLL are significant and date back to Comair's days of providing turboprop service throughout Florida."

As of Sep, MCO will be down to 7 regional flights a day and FLL will be down to 2. Sad

As a former MCO OH ramper, I send my condolences to all my old coworkers in Orlando as well as the guys and gals down in FLL. I was afraid this would happen after hearing about all the MCO regional cuts. I hope everyone is able to find new employment with relative ease, especially in this difficult time in the economy.


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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4113 times:

I think you may see more of this consolidation coming up, especially in cities were either:

A) NW is handled by mainline and DL is a regional or

B) DL is mainline and NW is a regional or

C) Where DL and DL connection have two separate operations (ala FLL & MCO).



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User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

I think we may be seeing this soon at our station. At one end we have Northwest mainline operating (and they are a VERY senior staff I might add) and then on the other end we have a fairly green batch of Comair employees. Something tells me that we will be seeing the Northwest people staying. I wonder if the Comair employees will be offered jobs, similar to when United mainline left MSN and Air Wisconsin (who was taking over) offered jobs to those left over?

~Tim



Drop it like its hott!
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

What is going to happen to DGS employees?

User currently offlineB6fll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

DGS should be fine, they work for CO in MCO.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3451 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 1):
I think you may see more of this consolidation coming up, especially in cities were either:

A) NW is handled by mainline and DL is a regional or

B) DL is mainline and NW is a regional or

C) Where DL and DL connection have two separate operations (ala FLL & MCO).

Don't forget D:

Regional cities where a DL wholly owned and a NW wholly owned do the ground handling for their respective flights. Only one will survive.

This is where the job losses of the DL/NW merger get exposed as a lie. Right now they are projecting only 1000 job losses total. But that only mainline jobs. If you add in the job losses at the regionals (wholly owned or contract) and the third party vendors who will be impacted, the numbers are much much larger.


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Sad news! Amazing we had, what, over 100 regional flights just over a year ago?

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

At MIA all the NW employees were outsourced.

Will they have recall rights to the new NW/DL or will the current outsourced NW employees be given the opportunity to join the new carrier?

AJMIA



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User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 7):
Will they have recall rights to the new NW/DL or will the current outsourced NW employees be given the opportunity to join the new carrier?

This was discussed before and I think the answer was that the Northwest people were terminated and offered severence not laid off. My understanding in they have no callback rights. The interesting thing will be what happens to cities who have no mainline employees for either group and are all contracted.


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Too bad that DL is cutting MCO back so much. I guess that means that the "mouse" is not as popular as he once was. The general public is going to other destinations.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3031 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 9):
I guess that means that the "mouse" is not as popular as he once was. The general public is going to other destinations.

Not as much that as it's been a rise in competition from the likes of Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran, of which the last two have been relatively aggressive in expanding MCO over the past 2-3 years. Couple that with the costs it takes to run an RJ and that on a route such as MCO which is traditionally low-yielding, it generally does not help having an RJ hub at a low-yield destination.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3028 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 9):
Too bad that DL is cutting MCO back so much. I guess that means that the "mouse" is not as popular as he once was.

Are you kidding, park attendance is booming. While DL is down look how far up B6, FL and WN have gone in the past 10 years at MCO.

2007 park attendance:

Magic Kingdom, 17 million visits (No. 1 worldwide)
Epcot, 10.9 million visits (No. 6)
Disney's Hollywood Studios, 9.51 million visits (No. 7)
Disney's Animal Kingdom, 9.49 million visits (No. 8)

Universal Studios 6.2 Million
Islands of Adventure 5.3 Million



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2969 times:



Quoting TL8490 (Reply 8):
This was discussed before and I think the answer was that the Northwest people were terminated and offered severence not laid off. My understanding in they have no callback rights.

NWA people in cities that were outsourced had the following options:

A. Take the severance and then retire

B. Exercise their seniority to another city

C. Take the severance and resign

D. Take the layoff

If you chose B or D you have recall rights (assuming you filed for them).

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The interesting thing will be what happens to cities who have no mainline employees for either group and are all contracted.

Good question. There are only 5 of those ( BUF, GEG, ROC, GPT, and VPS), but it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2749 times:



Quoting B6fll (Reply 4):
DGS should be fine, they work for CO in MCO

I'm sorry, I mean't DGS system wide, not just in Orlando.


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1989 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2648 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 9):
Too bad that DL is cutting MCO back so much. I guess that means that the "mouse" is not as popular as he once was. The general public is going to other destinations.

Delta is just not interested in filling its planes with passengers who will not pay fares that cover direct costs. MCO is a low yield market, and the leisure travel is much more price sensitive to increases in fares.


User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2497 times:



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 14):
Delta is just not interested in filling its planes with passengers who will not pay fares that cover direct costs. MCO is a low yield market, and the leisure travel is much more price sensitive to increases in fares.

Be honest, none of the airlines that serve either Orlando airports really makes a profit. Too much competition. But I can guarantee that none of those carriers will pull out of Orlando because it is simply to popular of a destination. DL has no choice but to fly mostly widebody aircraft from ATL because of passenger demand. I'll bet that none of the ATL--MCO are profitable. What I'm confused is that because of Orlando being low-yield that DL is cutting back flights and either forcing their customers to fly on the competition or make them cram into the hub cities, which is makes it more conjested. So having said that, which is better for Delta, continue with the those flights to accomadate their customers, pull out like they are doing and making their loyal customers turn to another airline or force them to connect through the hubs, which in Atlanta's case, is already congested.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2475 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
While DL is down look how far up B6, FL and WN have gone in the past 10 years at MCO.

In the past few years, sure. Though Southwest is cutting MCO capacity at ~9% as they focus on growing in Denver and Fort Lauderdale this winter.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10342 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2455 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
Magic Kingdom, 17 million visits (No. 1 worldwide)
Epcot, 10.9 million visits (No. 6)
Disney's Hollywood Studios, 9.51 million visits (No. 7)
Disney's Animal Kingdom, 9.49 million visits (No. 8)

A little misleading because many of those "visits" are the same people, who go from park to park. Very few people go to Disney World to visit just one of the parks.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 5):
This is where the job losses of the DL/NW merger get exposed as a lie. Right now they are projecting only 1000 job losses total. But that only mainline jobs.

Of course it's only mainline jobs. That's the basic idea, to protect your own people. It would be nice if you could protect all the jobs, contractor, wholly owned regional, etc. but in the real world, it comes down to protecting your own. Sorry.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2240 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 5):
This is where the job losses of the DL/NW merger get exposed as a lie.

Not a lie at all. DL and NW only addressed job losses at their respective carriers. Everyone else are employees of contractors.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2216 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 18):
Not a lie at all. DL and NW only addressed job losses at their respective carriers. Everyone else are employees of contractors.

Completely true, however considering the way NWA contracted out 59 cities and the fact that DL more or less is contracted out below the wing everywhere except their hubs, I wouldn't worry about too much of a spike in contractor job losses. Turnover rate will probably handle that in and of itself.


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