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TAM To Start MIA-GIG; JFK-GIG  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

It's finally happening.

TAM will begin daily service between Miami and Rio de Janeiro on September 15th and daily flights between JFK and Rio de Janeiro in late October.

http://br.invertia.com/noticias/noti...a=200806271453_RED_77161079&idtel=
(Portuguese)

At the same time, TAM's daily Miami-Manaus service will be upgraded to a 763, form the current A320.


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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6795 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
At the same time, TAM's daily Miami-Manaus service will be upgraded to a 763, form the current A320.

A320 to a 767-300, is their that much traffic between the two for such an upgrade in service?

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
TAM will begin daily service between Miami and Rio de Janeiro on September 15th and daily flights between JFK and Rio de Janeiro in late October.

Finally, we have official word of this happening. New York has needed a nonstop service to Rio de Janeiro for the past few years. This is an excellent addition for both TAM and Galeao.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Great news! I wonder why JJ didn't load these flights in the system just yet.

Also with more frequencies authorized for US carriers, we'll see if they'll follow and open more flights to GIG which is in dire need of nonstop flights to the US.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6750 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 1):
A320 to a 767-300, is their that much traffic between the two for such an upgrade in service?

Yes - especially when combined with the feed provided to FOR, BEL, and BSB.



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User currently offlineMiner From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

Do they have the ability to start CNF-MIA in case they need to? With the new expanded bi-lateral and with the announcement of CNF-PTY, TAM would be all of a sudden interested in a CNF-US route, no? If AA jumps back on CNF I can see TAM going "oops"...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6692 times:



Quoting Miner (Reply 4):
Do they have the ability to start CNF-MIA in case they need to?

Yes. Even after the new GIG flights, there are 56 unused Brazil-U.S. frequencies for Brazilian carriers. Plus, with the new bilateral there will be an additional 49 unused frequencies.

Both the new TAM flight numbers – JJ 8056/57 and 8058/59 – will originate in CNF, but with a change of plane.

TAM has plans to begin MIA-BSB non-stops in 2009, but I do not know the status.



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User currently offlineMiner From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6650 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
there are 56 unused Brazil-U.S. frequencies for Brazilian carriers

Yes that's correct, but I was refering specifically to aircraft availability. Given their rush to acquire whatever available in the market (resulting to a very diverse fleet), can they pull a couple of A330s for a CNF-MIA in a short notice?


User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Good news for GIG, however Im still thinking about how underserved GIG is.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6484 times:
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One of them, JFK-GIG, is my dream coming true ! Bye bye Atlanta and stops in São Paulo, and now i can visit my customers in Rio even more times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
TAM will begin daily service between Miami and Rio de Janeiro on September 15th and daily flights between JFK and Rio de Janeiro in late October.

Concerning to JFK, their staff here (in NYC) continues to say the flight will be operated with A332 and will begin only in December.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 1):
Finally, we have official word of this happening. New York has needed a nonstop service to Rio de Janeiro for the past few years. This is an excellent addition for both TAM and Galeao.

Agree 100% !

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Both the new TAM flight numbers -- JJ 8056/57 and 8058/59 -- will originate in CNF, but with a change of plane.

And the leg CNF-GIG will be a single flight, operated with A320.

Quoting Miner (Reply 6):
Yes that's correct, but I was refering specifically to aircraft availability. Given their rush to acquire whatever available in the market (resulting to a very diverse fleet), can they pull a couple of A330s for a CNF-MIA in a short notice?



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
TAM has plans to begin MIA-BSB non-stops in 2009, but I do not know the status.

Well, the fact that TAM will try to feed GIG with a flight from CNF can show us the potential next flight to US (from CNF) as the airline will have a better understand about the size of this market as well as potential profitability.

Quoting PU752 (Reply 7):
Good news for GIG, however Im still thinking about how underserved GIG is.

There are key markets still under-served (or without service) from GIG like FRA/MUC, LHR, DXB, MXP/FCO and MEX. GIG can handle at least 100% more international passengers (about more 180,000/month)
At least seems that the Governor of Rio state is making a strong pressure on the Federal Government and rumors says GIG will be the first airport in Brazil with a Public/Private Sector Partnership.  Smile


Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6481 times:



Quoting Miner (Reply 6):
can they pull a couple of A330s for a CNF-MIA in a short notice?

If they really want to start MIA-CNF quickly, they can pull the 763 off of MIA-MAO, making it an A320 again, and then route the new 763 pair to operate daylight MIA-CNF-GIG / GIG-CNF-MIA service.



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User currently offlineAirborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

i am trying to book on the nonstop miami-GIG
Dec 28 coming back on January 9
I dont see it in the computer..... where do you find it...

I see it going thru GRU


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3726 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6395 times:



Quoting Airborne1 (Reply 10):
i am trying to book on the nonstop miami-GIG
Dec 28 coming back on January 9
I dont see it in the computer..... where do you find it...

It's not online yet.


User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 6299 times:

I would really like to see TAM fly to ORD! I would hope that once they begin expanding their long haul fleet that they could start flights to ORD (and maybe join Star Alliance too!  bouncy  Wink.

~Tim



Drop it like its hott!
User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6233 times:



Quoting ZWZWUnited (Reply 12):
I would really like to see TAM fly to ORD! I would hope that once they begin expanding their long haul fleet that they could start flights to ORD (and maybe join Star Alliance too! .

~Tim

keep dreaming!!! UA has already a hard time on their current flight. TAM will most certainly avoid going to such low yielding destinations such as ORD!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Correction: MIA-GIG will start 05SEP08. Also, JFK-GIG might operate at 4x weekly, not daily.


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User currently offlineAirborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

IF it starts 05Sept08.. why can't i book on it yet... Mia-GIG Nonstop.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6204 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 7):
Good news for GIG, however Im still thinking about how underserved GIG is.

I also agree with your statement.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
One of them, JFK-GIG, is my dream coming true

...and I will keep on dreaming with AMS-GIG...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Correction: MIA-GIG will start 05SEP08. Also, JFK-GIG might operate at 4x weekly, not daily.

Why 4 x weekly GIG-JFK? Are all legs going to operate red-eye?

Rgs,


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6196 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
Concerning to JFK, their staff here (in NYC) continues to say the flight will be operated with A332 and will begin only in December.

The A332 is a drem for everybody but fact is that JFK staff do not participate in the HDQ plans. The plan and it is the last netwrok version for the second semester shows GIG/JFK/GIG operating with B763 from OCT on.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33178 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6196 times:



Quoting Airborne1 (Reply 15):
IF it starts 05Sept08.. why can't i book on it yet... Mia-GIG Nonstop.

Because you can't. You will be able to soon.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6187 times:



Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 17):
The plan and it is the last netwrok version for the second semester shows GIG/JFK/GIG operating with B763 from OCT on.

Well, GIG deserved something better than the B763, which will scare away many business travellers. It seems that the flight operating irregular only 4 weekly and with the B763 will focus on holiday-makers.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5971 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
One of them, JFK-GIG, is my dream coming true ! Bye bye Atlanta and stops in São Paulo,



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
...and I will keep on dreaming with AMS-GIG...

Felipe, I am happy for you, your dream is finally realized, and Hardi, one day, your dream may be realized too!

I don´t think that I will live to see my dream of HNL-GIG come!  Smile

Great news though, more options and hopefully lower prices will follow.

Aloha,
HALFA in GYN



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5931 times:
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The flight is not on the system because ANAC do not certified the 763 due to small issues
Because of that the first 4 charter flights were replaced by A330

As I'm using a portable device I cant quote

Hardi the 4x weekly means only 1 plane with overnight flights and a daylight on Sundays like the first JJ flight to JFK
JJMNGR
As the 763 is a temporary measure and they can manage to begin flights in OCT then bring the 763 but I have to say that JJ will be not in condition to replace AA with such equipment for C and F customers and even for people on Y
They will waste valuable yields with that so seems that HQ point of view is not the best

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5857 times:
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where did jj get the 767 from and how is it configured inside? 2 or 3 classes? what type of biz/first seats are they outfitted with?

jfk to gig and TAM in star alliance and my life will be complete!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5802 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
where did jj get the 767 from and how is it configured inside? 2 or 3 classes? what type of biz/first seats are they outfitted with?

From AZ. Just painted at GIG.
Will be 30C (2-1-2) 175Y (2-3-2)
Business Class Customers to receive a PEA unit with movies and music.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5651 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
From AZ. Just painted at GIG.
Will be 30C (2-1-2) 175Y (2-3-2)
Business Class Customers to receive a PEA unit with movies and music.



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
Hardi the 4x weekly means only 1 plane with overnight flights and a daylight on Sundays

Well, we all expected something better for GIG-JFK. Anyway, good luck for TAM on this new route, and lets hope the airline replaces the B767 on this route as soon as possible.

Rgs @ JFK


25 Post contains links Dellatorre : IIRC, 2 brand new A332 are expected until year's end, so maybe there is a chance JJ replaces the 767 in the GIG-JFK route. Would anyone know what is
26 C010T3 : Well, if you'd like to know what's coming in the next months, vbeltraJJ posted the delivery schedule on Contato Radar Forum: A319 132 PR-MBU jul/08 A
27 VC10er : does jj reconfigure aircraft with their seats or keep old seats, like 767's from AZ and MD-11's with previous airline seats, or not to plan to replace
28 C010T3 : The 763s and the MD-11 are seen as temporary a/c, so the interior stays the same.
29 Dellatorre : I guess they will finally receive the last 5 A319. How many extra A321 are coming??? I thought they would stick with 3. So that's 12 new long haul pl
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