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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

Hello all....

I have a new project completed.....

Its a spreadsheet-type website showing the rise and fall of the Delta Air Lines DFW hub.

The site address is:

www.departedflights.com/DLDFWhub.html

Hope this starts an interesting discussion!

Enjoy!

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User currently offlineRandyWaldron From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 324 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Nice job! I'm sure that this took a lot of your personal time in order to share your work with us on a.net. You included some great facts and figures in your spreadsheet. How long did this take you to compile? Where'd you get most of your information?


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

Could you do US at PIT? I realize the downfall has been beaten to death on these boards, but I really like the way you list the schedules. I had a pretty good understanding of what DL was trying to do with DFW, at least until the RJ explosion around 2000, anyway.


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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

Good information... I worked DFW DL 88-95..... their busiest times... it was a blast


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User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2001 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

One thing that is seldom mentioned about Delta and DFW is that the expansion really got started as a result of Braniff's demise, both Braniff I, and Braniff II. The chart also shows Delta's prederegulation routes.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Thanks so much for sharing, my reactions;

Mainline appeared to peak April of 1992

when including Regional partners it appears the hub peaked on October 1993.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Would love to see you do one for the following:

CO's Denver hub

Eastern's Atlanta and Miami hubs

NWA's BOS hub

DL's Orlando hub



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Very good work. Seeing what AA has done at DFW I wish DL still had a hub there. When DL had its hub there and after I thought it was a perfect location for a hub in the DL system. The DL route map sure looked more impressive with the hub in DFW. Sure makes me miss the good ole days.


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6725 times:



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 4):
One thing that is seldom mentioned about Delta and DFW is that the expansion really got started as a result of Braniff's demise

That is exactly what I notice when I compare Delta timetables dated immediately prior to the demise of (the original) Braniff in May 1982 and immediately thereafter.

Nonetheless, Delta's hub operations at Dallas (DAL) can be traced back to 1961 when Delta was awarded service to LAX/SAN/SFO/LAS via DAL as well as non-stop from ATL with the Southern Transcontinental Route Awards. Since DAL had previously been Delta's western terminus, with service from southeastern points such as SHV/MSY/JAN/BHM as well as ATL, Delta had a ready-made "feeder network" for connections at DAL to the new western U.S. points they began serving in June 1961, making DAL (later DFW) "a natural" as a Delta mini-hub/focus city for east-west connections.

With the demise of Braniff, Delta turned DFW into a major hub almost overnight. Delta's order for 33 737-232s in 1982 was (iirc) mainly with their expansion plans at DFW in mind.


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

DL's DFW hub was always my favorite. I always had the best service on the ground there compared to ATL, SLC, and CVG. The priority baggage tags actually meant something there, the Crown Room staff were always nice and accomodating, and the check-in was always smooth.

I miss the DFW hub!



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Brings up memories of the ramping up of DFW. While Atlanta was our home, the DFW hub was the pride of the company. I remember ad campaigns saying that "at DFW, Delta was the intelligent choice."

We just never could crack American's loyal customer base. At least, that's my opinion.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 416 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Thank you for the hard work. It sure brought back many fond memories. As a former DL DFW SCSA, I can say that I was proud to spend the last years of my career with DL in DFW. There were many good people who worked the DFW station. I certainly was saddened when they finally closed the hub, but money runs the airlines, not nostalga.


Always a pallbearer, never a corpse.
User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2037 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5534 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 10):
We just never could crack American's loyal customer base.

I grew up in Dallas and we were a Delta family to the bone. However, you're correct that a lot of folks in Dallas were loyal to AA. We only flew American when we had to... almost all of our family vacations (and all of my dad's business travel) were on Delta. I have plenty of happy memories involving DC9s and L1011s and Terminal 4E (I'll never call it Terminal E!)

I still remember when the island satellite opened in the late 1980s and Delta began selling 4E as "easy street" - a convenient alternative to American's multi-terminal operation at 2E and 3E.

By 2000-2001 the writing was on the wall for the DFW hub, and my dad made the decision to switch over to American. AA gave him a status match and we spent the next few years burning through his excess Delta miles... my last DL mainline flight was DFW-SFO, on a 727-200 in 2000. In 2003 I flew a Delta Connection CRJ up to ORD - by that time the hub was on its last legs and even "premium" destinations like Chicago were seeing RJ service.


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

I miss Terminal 4E, "Easy Street"!


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Very impressive indeed.

I always knew DL's DFW hub was sizeable, but this really puts it into perspective.

I didn't realize the FRA flight lasted for so long, I figured it went out in '90 or '91.

Also interesting that AEX and SHV were among DL's original DFW destinations.

And mainline service to LBB and AMA lasted into the 1990s? Wow!



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlinePropjett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Don't forget the ATL - DFW L1011's! I always loved that flight!

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5409 times:



Quoting Propjett (Reply 15):
Don't forget the ATL - DFW L1011's! I always loved that flight!

I never was a fan of the L-1011 but remember the days when DL had several flying between DFW and FLL. Just amazing that routes like that had multiple widebodies -- except I never remember the flights being any more than half-full.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

It seemed to me during DL's time at DFW they always had the larger aircraft and more frequencies from DFW to Florida (FLL, MCO, TPA, PBI etc.)

DL was flying 757s, 767s and L1011s to Florida while AA sent mostly MD80s.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

By 2002 it was pretty clear DFW was doomed as a DL hub. One interesting scenario many have thought out was had UA gone into Chapter 7, would DL have closed both DFW and SLC and moved the whole kit and caboodle to DEN?


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9506 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5232 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):

By 2002 it was pretty clear DFW was doomed as a DL hub. One interesting scenario many have thought out was had UA gone into Chapter 7, would DL have closed both DFW and SLC and moved the whole kit and caboodle to DEN?

Most likely not. Lets not forget at the time DL was pretty much out of money and Leo was running back to Atlanta. He cut PDX,LAX and DFW plus he "right sized" SLC and cut most mainline out of CVG. Added a bunch of Latin American flights from ATL and took his money and ran. Put DL right into BK.
If anyone would have moved into DEN it would have been CO.



yep.
User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5118 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 10):
We just never could crack American's loyal customer base. At least, that's my opinion.

I could never understand that too. DL service was far superior to AA. It was AWESOME! I think AA just had better frequency and more destinations.


User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 416 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4898 times:



Quoting Ssides (Reply 14):
And mainline service to LBB and AMA lasted into the 1990s? Wow!

I worked many of those flights, and believe me, they were constantly full. DL 1098 and DL 1099 ran with 737-200 equipment and were routed DFW-LBB-AMA-DFW and DFW-AMA-LBB-DFW respectively. We also had 737s to OKC, ICT and MCI that were constantly full. I can't recall any flights that were empty most of the time with the possible exception of the ORD trips. And what's not to see there. AA had service to ORD almost every hour and who would want to ride a 737 to ORD when you could ride an AA MD-11 to ORD.

Quoting Propjett (Reply 15):
Don't forget the ATL - DFW L1011's! I always loved that flight!

I didn't! DL 722, the 5 pm to ATL with L-1011 equipment, was always oversold and, like most Tristar flights, was always good for a mechanical delay at least once a week!



Always a pallbearer, never a corpse.
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4875 times:



Quoting Propjett (Reply 15):
Don't forget the ATL - DFW L1011's! I always loved that flight!

AHHH I had the chance to fly this route on January 2, 1997!! I had JUST returned from a DEL-ZRH-ATL flight on Swissair and we managed to get off from standbye (after paying a HECK of a lot of money) to make it on this flight. It was an L10-11, but the sad, sad reality is that I passed out from jet lauge while we were parked at the gate, and the next thing i knew my sister was tugging me to get up because we were parked in Dallas.

i didn't even have the chance to eat my bistro snack!



next flights: jfk-icn, icn-hkg-bkk-cdg, cdg-phl-msp
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4852 times:



Quoting TheGov (Reply 21):
I worked many of those flights, and believe me, they were constantly full. DL 1098 and DL 1099 ran with 737-200 equipment and were routed DFW-LBB-AMA-DFW and DFW-AMA-LBB-DFW respectively.

Finally -- someone confirms that DL did have flights between AMA and LBB at one time. Did DL even sell seats on the LBB-AMA leg?

Definitely not hard to fill flights to Dallas if you're taking pax from both AMA and LBB.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

The first time I flew through DFW was actually on Delta and this was back in like 98 or 99. At the time, I didn't even know they had a hub outside of Atlanta, being a born and bread ATL native.

When I got on with ASA in ATL back in '06 a lot of my co-workers were from the ASA operation in DFW. Kind of sad actually. Most that moved from Dallas to Atlanta were the ones that had at least 10 years in with ASA; only to be put to the bottom of the seniority list when Delta folded all DCI operations into mainline.



What gets measured gets done.
25 JohnClipper : Fond memories when I lived in DFW. DL DFW-CVG-LIT-DFW, DFW-ATL-DAB-ATL-DFW, DFW-SAN-SLC-DFW, DFW-AMA-DFW...always nice and helpful service unlike ATL.
26 Skibum9 : Pretty much looks like the roadmap for CVG. Only time until CVG suffers a similar fate as DFW.
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : Very true. Just as DFW was devoured by ATL, CVG will for the most part fold into DTW and MEM into ATL. Although I do honestly believe Delta will stil
28 TN757Flyer : Great memories. I recall when living in the Metroplex, I used DL quite often at it's peak. Terminal 4E could be a madhouse at times, but it seemed as
29 WA707atMSP : DL was planning to make DFW into a major hub long before Braniff's demise. Forbes Magazine ran a lengthy article about Delta in 1979, that said Delta
30 Lono : True words sir..... As a former DFWDL employee... we were always waiting for ATL to do something... but in standard DL fashion they would wait until
31 SWABrian : Hey Gov, Sounds like we were in AREA 9 out on the island together. Brian
32 TheGov : Yes and no. There were quite a number seats sold from LBB to DFW with a stop in AMA and vice versa. Every now and then when checking the loads, you w
33 Iflewrepublic : WOW! Over 350 daily departures in 1993...and then down to 22 in 2005. I had no idea it was that drastic. I remember the day the Dallas flight attendan
34 Ssides : That would have been very interesting indeed -- DFW could have grown into the world's largest hub instead of ATL, with a dual-hub operation much like
35 SWABrian : Hey Gov, Actually I meant Area 5. I spent most of my time at the satellite, but we did the ramp work for the pad operation too. It wasn't unusual to
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