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Sudan Cargo Plane Crash  
User currently offlineDGHiggins From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 23 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Anybody have details - or the real story??

Seven killed in Sudan cargo plane crash
Source: Agence France-Presse English Wire Date: June 27, 2008

A cargo plane crashed in Sudan on Friday, killing seven crew members, five of them foreigners, a spokesman for the civil aviation authority said. It is the second aviation accident in Sudan in less than three weeks. Abdel Hafiz told AFP that the Juba Cargo company plane crashed an hour and 10 minutes after take off from Khartoum, bound for the southern Sudanese capital Juba, apparently owing to bad weather. "One person survived out of eight (crew members). His name is Mohamed Hamza, a Sudanese. Two Sudanese were among the dead (along with) four from Ukraine and one from Armenia," Hafiz said.

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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Here we go again.

Just too bad and sad too. Any info about the aircraft involved? Of Russian make for sure.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6162 times:



Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 1):
Any info about the aircraft involved? Of Russian make for sure.

Either:

AN-12 Reg.ST-JUA

or

AN-12 Reg.ST-ARN


User currently offlineDghiggins From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

The story in the following link seems credible

http://avherald.com/h?article=408dbe01


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

I don't know if this is an ignorant question, but why were there eight people on board? Are there even eight seats on the aircraft?

RIP.



There will come a time when you believe everything is finished - that will be the beginning.
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Ramzi, it´s tradition among the larger former-comecon block planes to have large crews.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

It is not only standard, it is necessary - Pilot, F/O, F/E, Navigator, Loadmaster makes already 5 and the others are mechanics. These ops are self sustained as there are no stations or personell where they operate.


I'm not fishing for compliments
User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5769 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 4):
I don't know if this is an ignorant question, but why were there eight people on board? Are there even eight seats on the aircraft?

Your question is not ignorant.

At a minimum you can count two pilots, a flight engineer and a navigator on the AN-12. In some cases you could even have a radio operator for a total crew of five. The other souls onboard could have been relief crew.

There are limited seating areas on most cargo aircraft, and these may actually be located in the cargo hold itself when it comes to the AN-12. Nothing fancy but seats allright.

Cheers!

Scalebuilder


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5721 times:

Thank you for your replies, I never knew that, but it does make sense. Good to know, thanks.


There will come a time when you believe everything is finished - that will be the beginning.
User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

It was Juba Air Cargo An--12
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080627-1


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5519 times:



Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 7):
At a minimum you can count two pilots, a flight engineer and a navigator on the AN-12. In some cases you could even have a radio operator for a total crew of five. The other souls onboard could have been relief crew.

There are limited seating areas on most cargo aircraft, and these may actually be located in the cargo hold itself when it comes to the AN-12. Nothing fancy but seats allright.

Here is a video I've made in an An-12. As you can see, there are 5 crew as discribed by Scalebuilder. Just after the cockpit, there is a presurised section whith seats for maximum 7 pax, and then a door to the unpresurised hold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcdVK4zg2JA


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5445 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 10):
Here is a video I've made in an An-12.

Cool stuff!

Thanks for sharing.

Scalebuilder


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2067 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4916 times:
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Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 10):
Here is a video I've made in an An-12

Yes, that is a great video. Thanks so much for sharing. I don't suppose there was much difference, if any, in sound insulation (or lack thereof) between pressurized and non-pressurized areas of the interior??!!



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 720 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3457 times:

Cool video indeed! One wonders how they see outside the cockpit with all the paraphernalia on the glareshield!

Thanks for this, secretly lust to fly on a Russian plane, I was able to enjoy my lust vicariously with the video!

Beech.


User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Appears this was the airlines only plane left, so fleet size: zero!  crazy 


ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2259 times:



Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 12):
I don't suppose there was much difference, if any, in sound insulation (or lack thereof) between pressurized and non-pressurized areas of the interior??!!

The door was always open. So, I didn't note any difference (and I was so excited to be there I didn't think about it  crazy  )


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2192 times:



Quoting BeechNut (Reply 13):
Cool video indeed!

Yes. I noticed that the airline is named "Ruby Star" - and the aircraft is blue, so "Sapphire Star" would fit better!


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