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Sudan Cargo Plane Crash  
User currently offlineDGHiggins From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 23 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Anybody have details - or the real story??

Seven killed in Sudan cargo plane crash
Source: Agence France-Presse English Wire Date: June 27, 2008

A cargo plane crashed in Sudan on Friday, killing seven crew members, five of them foreigners, a spokesman for the civil aviation authority said. It is the second aviation accident in Sudan in less than three weeks. Abdel Hafiz told AFP that the Juba Cargo company plane crashed an hour and 10 minutes after take off from Khartoum, bound for the southern Sudanese capital Juba, apparently owing to bad weather. "One person survived out of eight (crew members). His name is Mohamed Hamza, a Sudanese. Two Sudanese were among the dead (along with) four from Ukraine and one from Armenia," Hafiz said.

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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

Here we go again.

Just too bad and sad too. Any info about the aircraft involved? Of Russian make for sure.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6326 times:



Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 1):
Any info about the aircraft involved? Of Russian make for sure.

Either:

AN-12 Reg.ST-JUA

or

AN-12 Reg.ST-ARN


User currently offlineDghiggins From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

The story in the following link seems credible

http://avherald.com/h?article=408dbe01


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

I don't know if this is an ignorant question, but why were there eight people on board? Are there even eight seats on the aircraft?

RIP.



There will come a time when you believe everything is finished - that will be the beginning.
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6015 times:

Ramzi, it´s tradition among the larger former-comecon block planes to have large crews.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9752 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 5953 times:

It is not only standard, it is necessary - Pilot, F/O, F/E, Navigator, Loadmaster makes already 5 and the others are mechanics. These ops are self sustained as there are no stations or personell where they operate.


Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 5933 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 4):
I don't know if this is an ignorant question, but why were there eight people on board? Are there even eight seats on the aircraft?

Your question is not ignorant.

At a minimum you can count two pilots, a flight engineer and a navigator on the AN-12. In some cases you could even have a radio operator for a total crew of five. The other souls onboard could have been relief crew.

There are limited seating areas on most cargo aircraft, and these may actually be located in the cargo hold itself when it comes to the AN-12. Nothing fancy but seats allright.

Cheers!

Scalebuilder


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 5885 times:

Thank you for your replies, I never knew that, but it does make sense. Good to know, thanks.


There will come a time when you believe everything is finished - that will be the beginning.
User currently offlineAlexEU From Nauru, joined Oct 2007, 1825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

It was Juba Air Cargo An--12
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080627-1


User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5683 times:



Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 7):
At a minimum you can count two pilots, a flight engineer and a navigator on the AN-12. In some cases you could even have a radio operator for a total crew of five. The other souls onboard could have been relief crew.

There are limited seating areas on most cargo aircraft, and these may actually be located in the cargo hold itself when it comes to the AN-12. Nothing fancy but seats allright.

Here is a video I've made in an An-12. As you can see, there are 5 crew as discribed by Scalebuilder. Just after the cockpit, there is a presurised section whith seats for maximum 7 pax, and then a door to the unpresurised hold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcdVK4zg2JA


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5609 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 10):
Here is a video I've made in an An-12.

Cool stuff!

Thanks for sharing.

Scalebuilder


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 5080 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 10):
Here is a video I've made in an An-12

Yes, that is a great video. Thanks so much for sharing. I don't suppose there was much difference, if any, in sound insulation (or lack thereof) between pressurized and non-pressurized areas of the interior??!!



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Cool video indeed! One wonders how they see outside the cockpit with all the paraphernalia on the glareshield!

Thanks for this, secretly lust to fly on a Russian plane, I was able to enjoy my lust vicariously with the video!

Beech.


User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Appears this was the airlines only plane left, so fleet size: zero!  crazy 


ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 2423 times:



Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 12):
I don't suppose there was much difference, if any, in sound insulation (or lack thereof) between pressurized and non-pressurized areas of the interior??!!

The door was always open. So, I didn't note any difference (and I was so excited to be there I didn't think about it  crazy  )


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting BeechNut (Reply 13):
Cool video indeed!

Yes. I noticed that the airline is named "Ruby Star" - and the aircraft is blue, so "Sapphire Star" would fit better!


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