CFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 10583 times:
Nice pictures, Leamside. On the first picture, the caption refers to the open door, but it appears that it's just the window above the wing that's open. Can firefighters open those from the outside? From the picture, it looks more like they smashed the window to look in or spray water/foam.
Anyone else agree?
Next, according to airfleets, the ABX's youngest 767 is l/n 171, built in 1987. Cockpit damage and a burned-through fuselage must be costly to fix. Will this one ever fly again or is it likely to be written off?
HapppyLandings From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 10533 times:
Quoting CFMitch56 (Reply 9): Will this one ever fly again or is it likely to be written off?
I am no expert, but it seems like it might be written off... I would imagine the internal damage must be great, the floor, wiring, hydraulics etc etc...
BrowntailWhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 10493 times:
Too bad for ABX as this a/c is one of the few that they have with a cargo door that they will need in hopes of survival after DHL cancels their ACMI.
TwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 10401 times:
Doesn't look like the fire was in the cockpit...but just aft of it....Perhaps a wiring short in that location or a overly hot light fixture?...hmm time will tell...but that does look a little bad and a little hot.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11957 posts, RR: 37 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 10138 times:
Quoting CFMitch56 (Reply 9): Cockpit damage and a burned-through fuselage must be costly to fix. Will this one ever fly again or is it likely to be written off?
Looking at the damage, this is more than likely a write-off.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 9455 times:
Oh its trashed, They will probably pull the engines, but with that much smoke residue out the cockpit window i cant think of anything in there at this point that would be worth saving.
Actually the crew was fortunate to have gotten out considering the fire was behind them.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 8276 times:
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 16): Oh its trashed, They will probably pull the engines, but with that much smoke residue out the cockpit window i cant think of anything in there at this point that would be worth saving.
Actually the crew was fortunate to have gotten out considering the fire was behind them.
This TWA 707 had its cockpit section destroyed by a terrorist bomb/grenades at Damascus, Syria in August, 1969 after being hijacked on a FCO-ATH flight. It was repaired using a new cockpit section and flew for many more years. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690829-1
Kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2468 posts, RR: 21 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 7848 times:
replacing the 41 section is possible and probably less expensive than replacing the A/C, especially if as some one noted this is one of their few cargo door units. The mod contractors are booked for several years out (read that here in another thread) for main deck cargo door conversions.
Probably will chop the 41 section and repair the 43, then pick up a replacement 41 from the desert. and reconnect everything.
side comment Boeing used an AeroSpacelines guppy to get the replacement nose to Beruit
Stratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 7789 times:
Man that looks like a write off alright....I have a friend who flys with the 767's as a flying mechanic out of LAX to Central America and he is worried about his job after the DHL announcement. This after getting screwed by nwa.. He really likes working for ABX I feel for those people especially in this economy not a good time to hit the street.
Based on where the DHL planes are usually parked, this area runs directly parallel to the 101 freeway. If you look on google maps, it is just north of the Northern wing of the International terminal. There is actually what looks to be a DHL 767 parked in this area in the current satellite image.
This area actually isn't very "remote" unlike some of the articles suggest. There is a lot of cargo and activity in this stretch of the airport. But this was probably put in the article so Joe Public didn't freak out thinking it happened in the middle of all the gates!
And as I am writing this, the evening TV news just reported that the plane caught fire preparing to take off! They made it sound like it was at the foot of the runway and suddenly burst into flames!
113312 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 537 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 6524 times:
With a fire just aft of the cockpit door, you'ld be evacuating out of the cockpit windows. Not a time to be a hero; just get out. Lucky that this didn't happen at FL390.
CAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 366 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 6145 times:
Quoting CFMitch56 (Reply 9): From the picture, it looks more like they smashed the window to look in or spray water/foam.
Ya, looks a lot like that; you can see the perimeter of the emergency exit still present when only the window pane is missing. Lotta force to do that...
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25 Boeing767mech: Doesn't really take that much force. The windows are only held in place by clips that are screwed into the window frame. They hold the window in plac
26 NA: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ges-abx-767f-at-san-francisco.html Btw, ABX is retiring 23 DC-9s immiadetely as they lost business with DHL.
27 CAL764: Hahaha...not too bad. Looks like I learned something today.
28 SFOnative: Interesting developments being reported today about a possible threat received prior to the fire. As reported on SFGate.com ... http://www.sfgate.com/
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They made it sound like it was at the foot of the runway and suddenly burst into flames! 
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