Ota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7366 times:
I have just read a report about the future of OS which was published in today's online edition of Austrian newspaper Der Standard. According to that report (citing Russian media) SU is thinking about jumping ship to Star Alliance. The report states that this might be just rumors.
Quote: Der aus der bestehenden Partnerschaft in der Star Alliance resultierende Startvorteil der Deutschen könnte laut russischen Medienberichten noch größer werden: Air-France-Partner und AUA-Interessent Aeroflot soll einen fliegenden Wechsel zu dem von der Lufthansa geführten Star-AllianceBündnis erwägen, heißt es an der Gerüchtebörse.
Roughly translated:
"The advantage resulting of {OS's} already established Star Alliance membership might, according to Russian media, even become bigger: AF's partner SU who is interested in OS is rumored to be looking at switching to Lufthansa lead Star Alliance"
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7273 times:
Cannot see this happening. Star alliance airlines are now based in Domodedovo, whilst Aeroflot are building a new terminal in Sheremetevyo. Aeroflot are investing a lot of money into aligning themselves into Skyteam.
SU is rapidly becoming a premium carrier these days - cant say the same for Austrian, who is heading in the opposite direction.
Ota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7117 times:
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1): Star alliance airlines are now based in Domodedovo, whilst Aeroflot are building a new terminal in Sheremetevyo
I don't think that would be a major problem as Star carries could move to SVO. I'd rather see a problem in LH and OS having an agreement with AiRUnion which makes them the sponsors of AiRUnions application to join Star. However if rumors are true and SU really jumps ship to Star I believe that will mean bye bye AiRUnion.
If rumors were to come true, how would SkyTeam react?
ATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 558 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5513 times:
Quoting Ota1 (Reply 3): If rumors were to come true, how would SkyTeam react?
By then trying to court Sibir Airlines into the alliance?? Who knows...
Addd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4996 times:
Quoting Ota1 (Thread starter): I have just read a report about the future of OS which was published in today's online edition of Austrian newspaper Der Standard. According to that report (citing Russian media) SU is thinking about jumping ship to Star Alliance. The report states that this might be just rumors.
Intesesting - I found no traces of this (even as a rumour) in any Russian sources... which does not mean that it's not true, of course. Both CO and SU leaving SkyTeam at roughly the same time..... wouldn't that be a deathblow for the allaince?
Landingshortly From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
Quoting Addd (Reply 5): Intesesting - I found no traces of this (even as a rumour) in any Russian sources... which does not mean that it's not true, of course. Both CO and SU leaving SkyTeam at roughly the same time..... wouldn't that be a deathblow for the allaince?
Not necessarily. MH is due to join them and VN are also up their priority list. Then, Bangkok Airlines wants to join them as well. They're expanding pretty big in Asia. They can compensate the loss of CO by having the largest american airlines aboard, DLNW.
I guess they might just compensate SU with MH and VN.
Antother thing: Der Standard is a quality newspaper here who don't post just post rumors without a source. So there might be something there ....
anyway, as a Star Alliance flyer going thru DME from time to time, I am happy there. I do not want to go through SVO.
Addd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4829 times:
Quoting Landingshortly (Reply 6): anyway, as a Star Alliance flyer going thru DME from time to time, I am happy there. I do not want to go through SVO
Understandable ... although SVO is bound to improve immensely with the new Terminal A (which is being built as a SkyTeam hub.. or is it going to be a Star Alliance hub now? , the (already working) rail link to the city, etc.
Quoting Landingshortly (Reply 6): Der Standard is a quality newspaper here who don't post just post rumors without a source
Der Standard's standards notwithstanding (no pun intended), I would be very curious to see other sources of this information...
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4670 times:
I can't wait to SVO-3. Even though it keeps on being delayed, it's gonna be a beautiful terminal when finally erected; if I do say so .. gasp.. on the level of AMS, and an improvement over CDG.
The raillink isn't fully operational yet, but when it is it'll be awesome. Right now; there are two to three hour gaps in train service because of an equipment shortage.
Anonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 561 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4180 times:
Quoting Landingshortly (Reply 6): I guess they might just compensate SU with MH and VN.
You forgot about CI. With CI + CZ, SkyTeam would have a dominant presence in cross-strait flights.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2147 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4024 times:
SkyTeam is still the "Leftover Alliance".
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
Ota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3654 times:
Quoting Addd (Reply 5): found no traces of this (even as a rumour) in any Russian sources
Me neither, but I have to admit I do not speak any Russian so my Russian sources are limited to English language editions of Kommersant and the likes.
As already mentioned Der Standard usually is a trustworthy source and in addition to that German investment news broadcaster boerse-express.de mentioned those rumors, too. However they copied what Der Standard had published word by word.
So I have more or less no doubt that those rumors do actually ex
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3533 times:
I dunno, it seems like the core members of SkyTeam (DL+NW+AF+KL) have tighter cooperation than even the core members of some of the other alliances have amongst themselves. However, SkyTeam's ancillary members aren't quite as close to the fold...
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 12): Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):
SkyTeam is still the "Leftover Alliance".
I dunno, it seems like the core members of SkyTeam (DL+NW+AF+KL) have tighter cooperation than even the core members of some of the other alliances have amongst themselves. However, SkyTeam's ancillary members aren't quite as close to the fold...
KL-NW was the first carrier alliance granted U.S. antitrust immunity in 1992 after the Netherlands became the first country with an Open Skies agreement with the U.S. They've basically been operating as one carrier for the past 16 years. All that experience no doubt was very useful when SkyTeam was created and other carriers joined.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3416 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13): All that experience no doubt was very useful when SkyTeam was created and other carriers joined.
except of course that NW/KL weren't in Skyteam when it was created - I think I know what you meant , but the way you have phrased it almost makes it sound ( to me at least) like KL/NW were founder members of Skyteam when in fact Skyteam has been in existence for a little over 8 years and KL/NW have been members for slightly under half of that time
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 14): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
All that experience no doubt was very useful when SkyTeam was created and other carriers joined.
except of course that NW/KL weren't in Skyteam when it was created - I think I know what you meant , but the way you have phrased it almost makes it sound ( to me at least) like KL/NW were founder members of Skyteam when in fact Skyteam has been in existence for a little over 8 years and KL/NW have been members for slightly under half of that time
Thanks for the timing clarification. What I basically meant was that KL-NW had a few years mre experience working under antitrust immunity conditions which was probably useful to other SkyTeam members in later years as antitrust immunity was extended to certain other carriers involved in SkyTeam.
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
I actually think Skyteam works quite well in comparison to Star - it seems to be more stable, with a good mix of quality hubs and an improving customer service ethos
KochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
Now what would happen if all the airlines just joined the Star Alliance?
In my opinion, skyteam and oneworld have no chance to the Star Alliance especially in Europe, Asia and even North America...EVEN though Delta and AA have great US service and DL has some various Euro routes.
Theres just no way to beat the Star Alliance!
...and Lufthansa is in a great position by the way.
SeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 718 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3207 times:
I think Skyteam works very well. I am a flying blue member and flew SU on LHR-SVO-PEK last year and miles were credited within 24 hours of flying on SU and the service was very good. I don't think that SU would leave Skyteam and I hope if they did it wouldn't be to join StarAlliance which seems to be trying to attract every airline.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4658 posts, RR: 45 Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 18): In my opinion, skyteam and oneworld have no chance to the Star Alliance especially in Europe, Asia and even North America...EVEN though Delta and AA have great US service and DL has some various Euro routes.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3141 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 12): However, SkyTeam's ancillary members aren't quite as close to the fold...
As a founding member, AM also has achieved a very good degree of integration with DL too. It is very easy and convenient to book multi-stop flights served by AM and DL even when some of the segments do not fall under a codeshare (and with attractive prices too). Plus, I think the scope of the AM-AF codeshare is also quite extensive. If I am not mistaken, AM at some point started codesharing with KE, KL, AZ and CM on selected routes (plus, it has expanded its initial UX codeshareing arrangement). Seems to me it is not just the four biggest members the ones who successfully offer nicely integrated products to their customers.
Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 19): I think Skyteam works very well. I am a flying blue member and flew SU on LHR-SVO-PEK last year and miles were credited within 24 hours of flying on SU and the service was very good.
Yes, the biggest point of SkyTeam that I value based on my experience is how fast the miles are credited. On the rare occasion when they are not, all it takes is a fax to SkyMiles (in my case) and a couple of hours later my miles are credited. I must sadly say this is not the case with oneworld (in my experience), where it takes faxes, phone calls and visits to the AA ticket office for them to credit miles (sometimes it happens fast, sometimes it takes more than a month and a half). Plus, most cheap fares at SkyMiles are eligible for mileage accrual, whereas AA has a very strict policy about "low" fares accruing half mileage or zero mileage! This, I do not appreciate.
I do not doubt the source of the Aeroflot rumor, but given that this is the first and only time this rumor has been made public, I would say SU will stay with SkyTeam... Russia is a very important and attractive market and SU has a lot to win from its association with carriers such as AF-KL, DL-NW and KE.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4658 posts, RR: 45 Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3133 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21): As a founding member, AM also has achieved a very good degree of integration with DL too. It is very easy and convenient to book multi-stop flights served by AM and DL even when some of the segments do not fall under a codeshare (and with attractive prices too).
I've had my fair share of issues with AM on DL booked tickets....
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
I know Gus, you told me about a recent one which sucked. For me, luckily, it's been flawless recently. In terms of fares, for flights to U.S. cities not served by AM, they consistently seem to offer quite attractive fares (in terms of timing, I have seen this since like 3 months after the acquisition of AM by Citi... I wonder if this is a result of such acquisition).
I also found some time ago a really good fare for a trip to DUS, CDG and JFK with AM-AF-DL but unfortunately work prevented me from doing it.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8589 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 18): EVEN though Delta and AA have great US service and DL has some various Euro routes.
Some? You do understand that Delta is the largest carrier across the pond? I pretty sure that CDG is the largest hub in Europe. So what are you talking about? I think this is just " I like star so that must mean Star is better".
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25 Viscount724: However since the U.S.-Mexico bilateral is a long way from Open Skies, AM can't have antitrust immunity with DL which prevents them from agreeing far
26 Addd: Well. at least ot looks as if Aeroflot IS actualy looking at buying a stake in OS: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1085&sid=aHN9xS_KjVYY&refer=
27 JoFMO: Thats is funny. Wouldn't VIE also be THEIR hub when they take over OS? But asking for logic when national pride in play might be too much to ask....
28 American 767: This is exactly what I am thinking. This morning I was quite upset when I opened the forum and saw this thread. I'm not saying Star is a bad alliance
29 Anonms: What about CZ (and, soon, CI, MH, and VN)?
30 American 767: Yes, Malaysian could join Sky Team, there were rumors about that, but even if Sky Team ends up with two partners in Asia, Star will have more partner
32 Janmnastami: I don't know if Aeroflot will switch alliance, but Continental will leave SkyTeam and AZ could also do it by the end of 2010 (according to the last ne
33 JAL: If this is true, why is it that many seems bent on leaving Skyteam?
34 L410Turbolet: How realistic/reliable are these rumors? I mean it's not certain whether AZ will be around by the end of 2008 ( I hope they will) so who knows what w
35 Meta: Your missing a lot in OneWorld + Sky Team: Cathay Pacific, China Southern, Royal Jordanian, Aeroflot (I don't think there are going anywhere), China
36 Janmnastami: Italian medias report that Intesa Sanpaolo calculates up to 10,000 workers fired (in AZ Fly and AZ Service), the reduction of intercontinental routes
37 Viscount724: Many is hardly an accurate term. Aeroflot and Alitalia are strictly rumours, and CO's planned move from SkyTeam to Star is linked to their recently-a
38 Meta: In Europe and Asia, I guess that Star Alliance is bigger than Sky Team and OneWorld. In North America, I completely disagree with you (while CO is in
39 Addd: Well, in Europe they are not that far apart either: Star Allaince - LH, OS, LX, LO, BD, SK, TP, TK, JK, JP, OU OneWorld - BA, IB, AY, MA SkyTeam - AF
42 SIBILLE: I'v read an article about ROSSIYA wich coul'd join Sky Team...... http://www.prime-tass.com/news/index.asp?topicid=62 So. Is it the reason?
43 Addd: The reason for SU to leave SkyTeam? That would be a stretch - if nothing else, Rossiya (which, in effect, will be an analogue of Star Alliance's "reg
44 EYKD: I've seen Aeroflot's livery scheme for Sukhoi Superjet 100. It carries SkyTeam logo.
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