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L1011s Ordered But NTU  
User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Hello
I was just wondering what airlines ordered L1011s (specifically -500s but I would appreciate other models) but did not take them up. Then I was wondering which airlines took those slots/airplanes.
Thanks

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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

I think Carl (474218) can help with this one. He is retired from Lockheed on the L-1011 program and worked there many years.

I do know that the -500 was pitched to many airlines to the point that models and prints were made in their colors, but do not know which actually may have ordered and then canceled.

As examples of the former, I have a 1/100 Pacmin model of a -500 in QANTAS colors and I have an original Lockheed watercolor of a Nigeria Airways -500.

[Edited 2008-06-29 11:57:00]


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User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Thanks so much! That info on the QF and Nigeria one really helped.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2559 times:



Quoting CodyKDiamond (Reply 2):
Thanks so much! That info on the QF and Nigeria one really helped.

Well, Qantas didn't order - I know they placed deposits on DC-10-30s but never took those up, they ordered 747-SPs instead.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8539 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
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I am sure that AI orderer 3 x -500s not long before the project was cancelled , IIRC they were given the option of continuing with the order but chose not to as they didnt want to be stuck with an out of production model and the 3 ordered had been intended as the start of a larger fleet .

I have seen a tristar model in NZ colours - I know that NZ looked at the original tristar before opting for the DC-10-30 as the range was more suitable , but the model I saw was in later NZ colours than were around when NZ where first looking at tristars



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

QF, NZ , WT never ordered L1011s ,but as Kiwiandrew said , AI did with the 500.

Court was very closed to order a third L1011-1 which should have been green.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

The only cancelled L-1011-1 orders I can think of were Northeast (four plus four options), Air Jamaica (two) and PSA (three of the five ordered).

As for the -500 while I can't remember any actual cancellations. There was a lot of wheeling and dealing to sell the last few L-1011-500 off the production line. Because some operator held options for which money had been paid Lockheed was committed to building those aircraft even though the operator had already stated they would not take delivery of them. So TAP and RJ ended up purchasing aircraft that were built for AC and the final L-1011 was built in the BW configuration.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 5):
AI did with the 500.

AI never ordered the L-1011-500 but did lease a couple on several different occasions.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 1):
I have a 1/100 Pacmin model of a -500 in QANTAS colors and I have an original Lockheed watercolor of a Nigeria Airways -500.

Lockheed sales teams did a lot of models and airbrushed photos for perspective customers, I have a few of the photos mostly from Arab operators. I have a Zambia Airways drawing but no Nigeria Airways.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

You can occasionally find CO models of the L1011-250 for sale on eBay. Meatball colors, of course.

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

474218 , you are wrong.
AI did order 3 L1011-500s , that were cancelled.

The couple of 500s they have operated ,was another story.Both these 500s were operated by AI long after they have placed and cancelled their order. For info , they flew with them to CDG.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
The only cancelled L-1011-1 orders I can think of were Northeast

Those didn't roll over to Delta...?

yes... just because there was a model produced doesn't mean anything. I have a friend that has a Qantas 747-500 model. A plane that was never built, and order that was never placed.

[Edited 2008-06-30 08:23:47]


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1654 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
The only cancelled L-1011-1 orders I can think of were Northeast

Those didn't roll over to Delta...?

Northeast cancelled their L 1011 orders in 1970, when they agreed to merge with Northwest. Northwest cancelled their merger agreement with Northeast in 1971, when the CAB said it would not transfer Northeast's Miami-Los Angeles route to NW if the two airlines merged. Northeast agreed to merge with DL only after the NW / NE merger fell through.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 5):
Court was very closed to order a third L1011-1 which should have been green.

I believe Court actually ordered four aircraft; the fourth aircraft would have been blue.

Another airline that looked long and hard at the L 1011 was Aer Lingus; Lockheed tried to get EI to replace both their 707s and 747s with L 1011s. Lockheed also felt that if EI was an L 1011 customer, airlines EI performed contract maintenance for would be more likely to buy L 1011s, too.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

PSA ordered 5 L1011-1s and all were built but the last 3 were not taken up and were delivered to LTU in Germany. PSA only operated the first two for less than a year. They had a lot of trouble finding a subsequent operator and spent quite a while in the desert due to their lower-deck lounge that significantly cut cargo/baggage capacity.

User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

There is a pretty cool website...www.tristar500.net, that has a lot of info on the 500 model but does not answer the topic question


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1309 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 8):
474218 , you are wrong.
AI did order 3 L1011-500s , that were cancelled.

Air India's "order" was a never confirmed and no metal was ever cut for a AI airframe. You could also count Aero Peru as a cancelled order as they signed a memorandum of understanding for one L-1011-500 but never signed a contract.


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