MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72 Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6386 times:
Great cover story in Sunday's Orlando Sentinel on how hard hit Orlando is from the cuts. Orlando is a city very dependent on air flights to bring in tourists, but, along with places like Las Vegas and most of Florida, it's where airlines have been cutting first.
MCO will probably be fine in the end, but it will be a rough year.
With the cuts, MCO might also lose it's status as busiest airport in Florida, in terms of passengers. In October 2008, MIA will have more daily seats than MCO for the first time in three yeras. MCO capacity is down 11.6%. Miami capacity is pretty much untouched (down 0.2%; and that's before the AA increases that were loaded yesterday and today, which brings total capacity up).
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6275 times:
I was reading recently on how Las Vegas and Walt Disney World / Central Florida tourism folks took two different paths in recent years, Las Vegas has been investing heavily and promoting high end luxury offerings/vacations. Disney in recent years has been investing in affordable accommodations and heavily promoting affordable one week family vacations (probably seen the commercial a million times around here).
The point was that Disney's plan was much smarter, and that they are better positioned to ride out the current economic slow down. Flying might drop some, although the abundance of low fare options at MCO and Allegiant at Sanford will help. However most folks from the Northeast US where they get a huge chunk of their business will still come to the Central Florida parks, although they may be more likely to drive or take Amtrak (Silver Services/ Auto Train).
Las Vegas on the other hand is much more dependent on vacationers arriving by air, while the LA basin is within driving distance Central Florida has much better highway access to more places. Folks from the Mid-West might not be willing to drive 20 hours across the plains and Deserts of the Southwest while Northeasterners have no problems driving 20 hours down I-95.
To summarize while air traffic at MCO might drop, overall park attendance in Central Florida is expected to remain strong.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6266 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): overall park attendance in Central Florida is expected to remain strong.
I agree. I don't think Disney will be hit that hard. Also, many of the air links that have been lost are to secondary markets in the Southern U.S. that are easily within one day's driving distance on two tanks of gasoline (still expensive to fill two tanks of gas, but cheaper than flying a family of four).
Yes. FLL is the primary domestic O&D airport for all of South Florida. It steals domestic traffic from Miami and West Palm Beach.
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
If PBI bleeds from MIA, wouldn't TPA bleed enough from MCO?
Not necessarily. People in Broward county use both FLL and PBI; people in Miami-Dade use both MIA and FLL. Everybody tends to use MIA for international long-haul service, even people in Palm Beach County. Plus all three airports are connected by commuter rail that makes getting to/between them fairly easy.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6115 times:
If you're going to the north part of Miami-Dade County, FLL is just as convinient as MIA. I've gone to the Sunny Isles Beach/Bal Harbour part of Miami a few times and it's just as easy to use FLL as it is to go to MIA. Combine that with the accessibility of LCCs at FLL (NK, WN and B6 all have large operations) and it's not a real surprise that FLL is quite busy.
As for LAS, one of its biggest markets is the SoCal crowd, which will often drive - Interstate 15 from California can be absolutely jammed on Friday nights coming into Southern Nevada. It's amazing when I'm in Vegas for a weekend versus being their on weekdays - on weekends, it seems like half of Southern California is in town. The difference is that MCO, you don't have such a small area making up so much of the tourism base - with MCO, it's pretty well-spread throughout the area East of the Mississippi River.
ThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5911 times:
Orlando should also benefit from European tourists who can benefit from the beneficial exchange rate. Are European carriers reducing Orlando services at all?
Along the same lines, perhaps some Americans will take domestic vacations rather than foreign ones due to poor exchage rates, passport hassles, and higher fares. That being said, I'm not sure that Italy or France is a close substitute for Disney World...
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5753 times:
Most cuts at OIA are a result of airlines cutting back on RJ service, mostly on behalf of DL.
The airlines are finally waking up and passing along the costs to the consumers instead of taking it out of the pockets of the employees. the domestic capacity will be down about 10% between all legacy carriers this fall which will mean that Bubba and Sue will no longer be able to fly, they will simply have to go to Kmart and buy an inflatable pool to put outside of their double-wide for next summer!
Phatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5407 times:
Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9): I may start a separate thread about MCO cuts, outlining cuts for everyone. Here's what I've found so far, comparing July 14 to December 8, both Mondays:
FYI....comparing summer schedules to winter schedules is not a good comparison. Two different traveling seasons in Florida during that period. Perhaps comparing last winter to this upcoming winter will get a clearer picture of what will really affect the demand for that period.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5239 times:
Wow, I remember not too long in the distant past, the hustle and bustle of airside 4 with Delta's
ops. All those lime green 757's, twice daily (certain times of the year) T7's, and a whole bunch of CRJ's and ERJ's.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2837 times:
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21): Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):
I still never understood how MCO beats MIA in pax. I guess I'm forgetting to count all the cargo stuff I see in MIA
Simple answer "The Mouse"
That's not the answer at all. Miami is a larger O&D market - both domestic and international. Miami has two large airports, plus West Palm Beach. Both MIA and FLL are among the country's 25 busiest and the world's 60 busiest airports. Fort Lauderdale sees more international traffic than Orlando, even with all those 747s full of British tourists.
The simple answer is that for years MIA had struggled to gain new service as airlines added at FLL and MCO. The irony is that now that the industry is in crisis, MIA isn't losing much service.