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User currently offlineTommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Hi I am working lately next to SWF in Newburgh and in the past few weeks I have noticed a strange aircraft buzzing overhead making takeoffs and landings, it looks very similiar to the BEECH 2000 Starship 1 which I thought is not in service anymore

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...C_&prev_id=1100614&next_id=1059505

It has 2 rear facing engines and small wings on the nose, I was not able to take any pictures but it sure looks starnge and makes a louder then usual noise

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User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
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Still a rare sight, but, possibly one of these? Piaggio Avanti!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...C_&prev_id=1363909&next_id=1363810


User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Saw one while on the beach in St. Petersburg a few days ago...and one land at HPN about three months ago. Not a bad sight.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2952 times:
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Quoting Tommyy (Thread starter):
the BEECH 2000 Starship 1 which I thought is not in service anymore

According to Bob Scherer's website, there are still five Starships in service.

Quoting Tommyy (Thread starter):
It has 2 rear facing engines and small wings on the nose, I was not able to take any pictures but it sure looks starnge and makes a louder then usual noise

Yeah, sounds like an Avanti.

2H4



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2931 times:
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Quoting Tommyy (Thread starter):
I was not able to take any pictures but it sure looks starnge and makes a louder then usual noise

Been one buzzing in and out of FRG too lately. Might be the same bird we are looking at.

The one I saw was an Avanti. Distinct sounds, rear facing engines and that mustache cunard.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6907 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

As 2H4 noted, there are still a few Starships flying. Beech tried to buy them all back, but a few owners refused to sell them. They were certified, and they had been paid for, so there was no way Beech could force the owners to sell. As far as I know the Starship and Avanti are the only production planes ever built with that configuration; the difference between them is obvious from the photographs. The Avanti windshield is contoured with the nose as a smooth profile; the Starship has a more conventional windshield profile. Also, the engine nacelles are much longer than the wing chord on the Avanti and much shorter on the Starship, and the Avanti has a T-tail, whereas the Starship has vertical stabilizers on the wingtips and no tail at all..

[Edited 2008-06-30 10:04:00]


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
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Also, the canards on the Starship are hinged. They extend forward during takeoff, approach, and landing, and sweep back during cruise. The Avanti's are fixed.

The landing gear is also different. The Starship has wing-mounted mains, and the Avanti's mains are fuselage-mounted.

2H4



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6907 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

I have a personal Starship memory. I purchased my C-182 in California in March 1996, and one of the places I stopped on the flight back to Vermont was Great Bend, KS. There was a hangar there that contained perhaps a dozen Starships; I later found out they were the production planes that Beech had not sold, and were later destroyed. By the way, Great Bend was brutally cold and the wind was blowing like I had rarely experienced. However, since the land was flat and was blowing pretty much straight down the runway, the landing was a piece of cake. Very little turbulence, and it almost seemed like a vertical descent, as the wind almost canceled my airspeed. I had some difficulty starting the engine the next morning, as the starter didn't like turning it over if the temperature went much below 30 deg, which it did. (One of the first things I did to the plane was installing an engine heater.)


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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

I see an Avanti around MMU about once a week (maybe comes by more often but I'm not looking or listening constantly). It does have a distinctive sound.

Does anyone know how to specify a date and time for a search on Flightaware? I could maybe look up the one I saw Sunday, and get a tail registration.

-Rampart


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2622 times:



Quoting Catdaddy63 (Reply 1):
Still a rare sight, but, possibly one of these? Piaggio Avanti!

Actually not that rare nowadays. Avantair based out of St.Pete (and others) operate around 50 of them as fractional owned, and there are others privately owned around the US flying every day.


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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2554 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 9):
Avantair based out of St.Pete

That'd probiably be my sight over St. Pete beach...good info



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
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Quoting Rampart (Reply 8):
Does anyone know how to specify a date and time for a search on Flightaware? I could maybe look up the one I saw Sunday, and get a tail registration.

If by Sunday you mean yesterday, I think it's on this page.

2H4



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User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Saw one on Sudany come into BWI at around 1930 LCL on 33R. It was black with gold stripes was biking on the BWI trail at the time di not get the reg

RYAN
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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2417 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 11):
If by Sunday you mean yesterday, I think it's on this page.

2H4

Cool! Thanks for the info!

Instead of arrivals, I found it on departures, leaving MMU at 3:21pm.
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/...rder=actualdeparturetime;sort=DESC
There were 2 P180 Avantis at MMU that afternoon, and I saw the 2nd one, N408SF. It's based in Arkansas. The first one on Sunday, VNR109, I didn't see, is based at MMU with Avantair. That is probably the one I see most often. But, neither of them have been to SWF in the past few weeks.

-Rampart


User currently offlineTommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

It actually shows VNR157 arriving KSWF last Tuesday

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/...;order=actualarrivaltime;sort=DESC


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