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Delta Ending BFL, YOW, DRO; Adding YXC, GUC  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32695 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Delta Air Lines will discontinue service to Bakersfield, California, Durango, Colorado, and Ottawa, Ontario on September 1st. BFL and DRO are served from Salt Lake City; YOW from Atlanta.

Delta will, however, launch service from Salt Lake City to Gunninson/Crested Butte, Colorado on 18 December 2008; as well as from Salt Lake City to Canadian Rockies International Airport in British Colombia on 17 December 2008.

Gunninson, operated by ExpressJet:

DL 7714 SLC 1115-1220 GUC ERJ Daily
DL 7715 GUC 1305-1415 SLC ERJ Daily

Cranbrook, operated by Skywest:

DL 3728 SLC 1110-1308 YXC CR2 WeSaSu
DL 3729 YXC 1335-1533 SLC CR2 WeSaSu


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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

After competing with JetBlue on the SLC-BUR run, I noticed after the summer season is over, Delta Connection adjusts this route as well from 5X daily with a CR7 mixed in to 3X daily all with the CRj200 through the fall. I tried checking various Wed and Fri through the fall months and this is just bout what I found.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7552 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

Makes sense to route YOW over to DTW in the future. Even NW goes on-again, off-again with MSP-YOW.

Nice addition with GUC as well.


User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5800 times:



Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 1):
After competing with JetBlue on the SLC-BUR run, I noticed after the summer season is over, Delta Connection adjusts this route as well from 5X daily with a CR7 mixed in to 3X daily all with the CRj200 through the fall. I tried checking various Wed and Fri through the fall months and this is just bout what I found.

BUR 3X CRJ is what the route was started with and what it has historically operated at.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

Sad to see BFL go. Question is this: If SLC-BFL cant work, what else besides maybe FAT does work to smaller communities on the west coast from SLC? Is YKM, EUG, RDM, ACV, SBA are they all in jeopardy?

Cranbrook surprises me. Must be a revenue guarantee there or something? I would have expected Kelowna before Cranbrook or even Ft Mc Murray. Why Cranbrook?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5601 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
Cranbrook surprises me. Must be a revenue guarantee there or something? I would have expected Kelowna before Cranbrook or even Ft Mc Murray. Why Cranbrook?

I was wondering the same thing when it came out last week...I assumed it was a revenue guarantee of some sort.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5496 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
YKM, EUG, RDM, ACV, SBA are they all in jeopardy?

Not if their yields are kept up. BFL isn't exactly high-yield, and as a result, it's been cut. In an environment with cheaper oil, it would've been doable (or they wouldn't have launched it in the first place), but right now, not so much.


User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5490 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
Is YKM, EUG, RDM, ACV, SBA are they all in jeopardy?

I live in YKM now, and we keep dodging the bullet. People keep complaining about only being down to one flight. But out station manager just bought a house....if that says anything.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10375 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5403 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
Cranbrook surprises me. Must be a revenue guarantee there or something? I would have expected Kelowna before Cranbrook or even Ft Mc Murray. Why Cranbrook?

This is from Cranbrook's airport website. Check the April 2, 2008 entry.

http://www.flycanadianrockies.com/airstat.php

Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 7):
I live in YKM now, and we keep dodging the bullet. People keep complaining about only being down to one flight. But out station manager just bought a house....if that says anything.

It's not on wheels, is it?



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

BFL has now lost DLConn; XJet; Mexicana; USExpress to LAS; and has had frequency cuts on USExpress to PHX; and frequency cuts on UAExpress to SFO.

Remaining is a daily UAX to DEN; some USExpress to PHX; and UAX Brasilias to LAX and SFO.

If that much loss of seats can't increase yields there nothing will.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Sorry, I just dont see that Cranbrook flights will work.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10375 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5132 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
Sorry, I just dont see that Cranbrook flights will work.

Is there skiing in the area? Maybe it's seasonable for that reason, considering the start date.
All season flights would be better to YLW, I would think, just because of the population base compared to Cranbrook.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5012 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 11):

Is there skiing in the area? Maybe it's seasonable for that reason, considering the start date.
All season flights would be better to YLW, I would think, just because of the population base compared to Cranbrook.

Fernie and Kimberly resorts are near-by. Its a thin, but potentially descent ski route.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10375 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4772 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 12):
Fernie and Kimberly resorts are near-by. Its a thin, but potentially descent ski route.

Just from reading that article from the YXC website, it seems like they may have entered into a subsidized deal.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1771 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Since when was Cranbrook renamed 'Canadian Rockies International Airport'? Any ways, I also don't see a strong reason for serving YXC before other larger Western Canadian markets such as Victoria, Kelowna, Kamloops or Lethbridge.

User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

Jeese....

What about YQL service, bypassing YYC? With the huge LDS (mormon) population, in Southern Alberta, you'd think they would consider reintroducing the former Western Airlines route... I'm not LDS myself, but enough work in the service industry certainly shows that untapped resource.....



AC.WA.CP.DL.RW.CO.WG.WJ.WN.KI.FL.SK.ACL.UA.US.F9
User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4625 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 12):
Quoting Mayor (Reply 11):

Is there skiing in the area? Maybe it's seasonable for that reason, considering the start date.
All season flights would be better to YLW, I would think, just because of the population base compared to Cranbrook.

Fernie and Kimberly resorts are near-by. Its a thin, but potentially descent ski route.

Fernie and Kimberly each are no smaller than Crested Butte, which is the prime (only?) reason to fly into GUC in the winter, so at least comparable in that sense. I doubt these are "launches" more than they are the typical winter season scheduling. Isn't this simply DL shifting cappacity to the seasonal tourism routes, as they have for years? (YXC would be new, I guess, but in the same idea.)

Losing DRO for the winter surprises me, though. Durango gives access to several ski resorts in the winter, and those are isolated from most any place else, including TEX and MTJ. Is summer resort traffic now larger in DRO?


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

I believe EV is reudcing service to LAW from ATL to 1x daily.


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User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

With DL Connection's history over the last year or so on new routes, it will be surprising if it makes it past the summer. You have to give kudos to DL for trying some new routes, but it's like they're throwing darts and hoping one of them sticks with all of their new cities (ILM, TUP, YYJ, HKY, ISO, SOP, and on and on...)

I'm sure most of these cities had a revenue guarantee or other subsidies in place, but that can't cover all of the costs involved with starting up a new city.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3670 times:



Quote:
BFL has now lost DLConn; XJet; Mexicana; USExpress to LAS; and has had frequency cuts on USExpress to PHX; and frequency cuts on UAExpress to SFO.

Remaining is a daily UAX to DEN; some USExpress to PHX; and UAX Brasilias to LAX and SFO.

If that much loss of seats can't increase yields there nothing will.

I did some calculations recently on the cuts at BFL:

Prior to cuts:

MX x4 to GDL @ +/- 132 seats = 528 seats per week
XE x 14 to SMF/SAN @ 50 seats = 700 seats per week
US x 20 to PHX @ 50 seats = 1000 seats per week (CR2)
US x 7 to PHX @ 70 seats = 490 seats per week (CR9)
US x 4 to LAS @ 50 seats = 200 seats per week (CR2)
UA x 14 to DEN @ 50 seats = 700 seats per week
UA x 21 to SFO @ 30 seats = 630 seats per week
UA x 21 to LAX @ 30 seats = 630 seats per week
DL x 14 to SLC @ 50 seats = 700 seats per week

TOTAL: 5578 seats per week.

After cuts:

US x 13 to PHX @ 50 seats = 650 seats per week (CR2)
US x 7 to PHX @ 70 seats = 490 seats per week (CR9)
UA x 7 to DEN @ 50 seats = 350 seats per week
UA x 14 to SFO @ 30 seats = 420 seats per week
UA x 21 to LAX @ 30 seats = 630 seats per week

TOTAL: 2540 seats per week.

BFL now has only 45% of the seats it had just last year. More than half their flights are gone, abd this is just the first round of cuts.

That beautiful William Thomas terminal - a state of the art facility with jetbridges and room for expansion - is going to be as empty as Mirabel airport very soon.

 cry   hissyfit 



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3635 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 19):
BFL now has only 45% of the seats it had just last year. More than half their flights are gone, abd this is just the first round of cuts.

That beautiful William Thomas terminal - a state of the art facility with jetbridges and room for expansion - is going to be as empty as Mirabel airport very soon.

Well I guess people can drive north to Fresno instead.  Wink That will help protect our service.

On my recent MX flight between FAT and GDL I spoke with people who drove 90 miles north from just outside Bakersfield and other people who drove 90 miles south from Turlock to board the flight. Fresno for once seems to be able to compete with LAX, SMF, SJC, OAK, etc.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3491 times:



Quote:
On my recent MX flight between FAT and GDL I spoke with people who drove 90 miles north from just outside Bakersfield and other people who drove 90 miles south from Turlock to board the flight. Fresno for once seems to be able to compete with LAX, SMF, SJC, OAK, etc.

Fresno is able to compete because of its location - it is too far from anything bigger that would detract from it.

Bakersfield, on the other hand, is (on a good day) just two hours from LAX, and thanks to Airport Bus Of Bakersfield, not even a car ride is necessary. BFL just can't compete.

Quote:
Well I guess people can drive north to Fresno instead. That will help protect our service.

Funny you should say that - my sister and niece (who live in Bakersfield) are flying to Arkansas on Wednesday. Originally she tried booking from San Diego, so she could leave her car at my place, but AAdvantage miles couldn't be used for LAX, BUR, LGB, ONT, SNA, or SAN...but they could out of Fresno! Wednesday night they are driving up and staying at the Courtyard by Marriott hotel and then flying to FSM via DFW early Thursday morning.

As much as our family would love to have BFL-DFW service back, we're VERY grateful that AA is still flying to FAT, as without it a wedding would have no flower girl.

Oddly, my mom tried booking her ticket for Arkansas using the same itinerary, but her miles were invalid for Fresno...so she's flying out of San Diego airport. Go figure.



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3363 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 16):
Losing DRO for the winter surprises me, though. Durango gives access to several ski resorts in the winter, and those are isolated from most any place else, including TEX and MTJ. Is summer resort traffic now larger in DRO?

It is sad. I blame DL marketing for messing with the schedule so much and dropping flights during peak times and add flights during off peak times. They're also trying to compete head to head with the new Frontier service when they don't need too. It's a shame and I wish is would keep the service.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3337 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 21):
Fresno is able to compete because of its location - it is too far from anything bigger that would detract from it.

FAT has had a huge driveaway problem for years in spite of its location. Some studies had it at 40 to 50% leakage.

Fares at FAT have been high enough to make it worthwhile to go elsewhere. In fact my neighbor just told me they are driving to LAX and staying overnight in a hotel and still coming out ahead.

But the fact that I'm seeing people driving TO Fresno instead of elsewhere to fly gives me hope for the future.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10375 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2760 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 21):
then flying to FSM via DFW early Thursday morning.

Would you like me to wave at them when they get here?? wink 


I think this is where DL is missing the boat as regards traffic from the west into western and northwestern Arkansas. They dropped the SLC-XNA service, relinquishing service out of the west to AA thru DFW. I believe that there is a market for this service, either from XNA or FSM thru SLC. Apparently, DL does not. BTW, I do have an ulterior motive for my wishes. It would be nice to be able to fly out of FSM to SLC to connect to SUN to visit my daughter. As it is, I have to drive 2 hours to TUL and hope I make the flight (non-rev, you know).



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 PanAm747 : Please do!! I'd say "look for the large extended family waiting by security", but that doesn't really cut it down in the south, does it? Of course, m
26 Post contains images Mayor : Good Lord, I'm staying away from those folks. I'm just a displaced (or is that misplaced?) Yankee from IIlinois.  [Edited 2008-07-01 09:12:34]
27 PanAm747 : Let me share one of my favorite quotes - it's from "Designing Women", spoken by Dixie Carter's character Julia, addressing two nieces of the resident
28 Rampart : Does anyone remember what airport had a roving barbershop quartet greeting deplaning passengers at the gate? San Francisco? Or was that some special
29 SLCUT2777 : My point exactly about YQL. They would love a DL/OO flight to SLC, since people in southwest Alberta hate driving the 2.5-3 hours up to YYC.
30 SLCUT2777 : People will just keep driving south on I-15 across the border at Sweetgrass to GTF in large numbers! I just wonder how much of the GTF (or GPI/FCA fo
31 TAN FLYR : Maybe it is just me, but my time and effort are worth some value per hour, and when you add 4.55 gasoline to the mix, I'll stay with Fresno , Thank y
32 Viscount724 : If memory correct, WA dropped YQL around 1959. I think they dropped YQL (and YEG) when they finally got rights to YYC. Their 1958 timetable shows a o
33 FATFlyer : You and me both. Just flew down to Mexico for vacation and used MX out of Fresno. But we were willing to pay the extra few hundred dollars each to av
34 MAH4546 : Since the other Delta cuts thread was closed, it looks like SLC-CLT and SLC-FLL are only being suspended for the fall. They come back later in the win
35 SLCUT2777 : DL doesn't want AC to try and come back to SLC again. As for FLL, this is one that works best on a seasonal basis and I don't think they are ready to
36 MAH4546 : LOL. As if Air Canada would try that disaster again. It's speaks very poorly when service to one of America's largest O&D markets can't be done year-
37 DurangoMac : So with the announced termination of the contract with Expressjet, what does everyone think will happen with this flight. I for one would like to see
38 Post contains links SLCUT2777 : Without DL, it something that can't be ruled out, since YYZ is their fortress hub. As for FLL, this is one that can only be done on a 738 or 752 give
39 Mayor : Alot of those same people have no idea what DL has done for SLC and Utah in general. They have many more choices to fly than a city and area of that
40 SLCUT2777 : There are many here on a.net who consider SLC and the Wasatch Front to be marginal at best to be a viable hub for a legacy carrier like DL.
41 Mayor : There are many on here who consider ANYTHING DL does is marginal.
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