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User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19474 times:
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Hello Folks,

Hope everyone is doing well, in all parts of the worlds where you may be.
Anyways has anyone heard or got any updates on the BA 777 Crash.?

I havent heard anything for a few weeks now, and the rumor about the crash i had heard last was something in relationship to the Captain not being seated on the left seat, as both F/O were flying ( i know both F/O are more than capable of flying-- which is why it makes no sense to me)... Please dont bash me.. im sure allot of people have heard this rumor as well.

But can someone please entail some real information.

thanks again

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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19372 times:

What is the replacement schedule, if any, from the January accident at LHR? Will BA be taking another 777 to replace this?

BP1



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19035 times:



Quoting Fiaz (Thread starter):
havent heard anything for a few weeks now, and the rumor about the crash i had heard last was something in relationship to the Captain not being seated on the left seat, as both F/O were flying

Very unlikely to be true; indeed, had it been true, all of them would probably have been fired, because the captain MUST be in his seat for landing; the relief pilot occupies the jump seat for takeoff and landing. He is after all, the pilot responsible. The two FOs may be occupying the pilots' seats during the cruise, for example during the captain's rest break.

In any case, it has been said that the captain made the flap selections during the descent, in his role as PNF.


User currently offlineLGWspeedbird From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19033 times:

The 777 is still sitting tail less by the engineering sheds at LHR, looks very odd without its tail.

poor MMM



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18976 times:



Quoting Fiaz (Thread starter):
and the rumor about the crash i had heard last was something in relationship to the Captain not being seated on the left seat, as both F/O were flying

Where did you hear that? I haven't seen a hint of such a thing on any reputable sites.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18759 times:



Quoting Fiaz (Thread starter):
havent heard anything for a few weeks now, and the rumor about the crash i had heard last was something in relationship to the Captain not being seated on the left seat, as both F/O were flying ( i know both F/O are more than capable of flying-- which is why it makes no sense to me)... Please dont bash me.. im sure allot of people have heard this rumor as well.

Where would you have heard that???!??!?!?! The Captain has to be in his seat for take off / landing.


User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18197 times:



Quoting LGWspeedbird (Reply 3):
The 777 is still sitting tail less by the engineering sheds at LHR, looks very odd without its tail.

We got any pics of this?



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18089 times:

Anyone going to Hatton cross can see it, or just take a walk to the Spotting field and you can see the poor thing  Sad

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17849 times:



Quoting Fiaz (Thread starter):
as both F/O were flying ( i know both F/O are more than capable of flying-- which is why it makes no sense to me)...

If an FO is type-rated on the airplane, he is allowed to sit in the left seat and fly as pilot-in-command during the cruise portion of the flight. For takeoff and landing though, the captain(s) that signed the dispatch release must be seated in the left seat.

So you are partially right. During cruise, there was a several hour period in which both FO's were flying. During takeoff and landing though, the captain was in the left seat.



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User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17791 times:

Any F/O operating in the left-hand seat of the aircraft (or any Captain operating in the right-hand seat of the aircraft) must be checked out in that position to be there. Just because a Captain is a Captain doesn't mean that you can put him in the F/O's seat if he isn't checked to be there - and vice versa. I haven't heard any rumours like this being a problem on BA038.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17694 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
For takeoff and landing though, the captain(s) that signed the dispatch release must be seated in the left seat.

... unless incapacitated, which was clearly not the case here.


User currently offlineValleyspotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17649 times:

Don't work for BA (anymore) but what I have heard is that BA are not planning to replace this hull loss with another 1 off order.

Quoting BP1 (Reply 1):
What is the replacement schedule, if any, from the January accident at LHR? Will BA be taking another 777 to replace this?




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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16155 times:



Quoting Valleyspotter (Reply 11):
BA are not planning to replace this hull loss with another 1 off order.

Did they have to make any schedule cuts directly related to this accident?



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User currently offlineUsafdo From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14120 times:

Are there any U Tube or other videos that actually show the crash landing as it was occurring?

With so many airport surveillance videos around, there must be some out there...

Anyone know?


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14023 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 6):

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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13964 times:



Quoting Usafdo (Reply 13):
Are there any U Tube or other videos that actually show the crash landing as it was occurring?

No videos, but funny pictures of captain Peter Burkhill when he was in his 20's having a lot of fun while working for Caledonian Airways.

Warning: Some Americans may find the following pics unsuitable for minors.  Smile

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2001_hero_pilot_romp.shtml


User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13801 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 6):

I snapped this pic on 30th April while waiting to take off. Figured it must be from the JAN incident, as you don't normally see planes with their vert. stabilizers off.

Glad nobody was injured.

tsully
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User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13325 times:



Quoting Tsully (Reply 16):
Glad nobody was injured.

I think there were some minor injuries, but yes, it was almost an ugly situation. Thankfully it wasn't.

But like the original Poster asked, I can't recall hearing anything new on the cause - speculation or otherwise.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12306 times:

I think the incident isn't being treated with its full gravity by the media or the pubic.

All that comes to my mind is that there was a powerless Boeing 777 trying to fly over the heads of yet uncounted Londoners. That's a sobering thought.  Sad


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12091 times:



Quoting Usafdo (Reply 13):
Are there any U Tube or other videos that actually show the crash landing


There is only this footage of the approach of the 777.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10993 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 18):
there was a powerless Boeing 777 trying to fly over the heads of yet uncounted Londoners. That's a sobering thought.

Thank god for wing in ground effect, probably the only thing that got them over the airport perimiter fence.


User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8574 times:

Would they have removed the tail as part of the investigation or are they scavenging this bird for parts already?

User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7812 times:



Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 15):

It is quite evident - from the contents of his post - that this member's country of residency is not the Vatican City.

Frankly I fail to understand the motives behind his choice of country.

If anything he is an Argentinian national resident in London. At least that is what his user name implies.



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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7044 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 6):
Quoting LGWspeedbird (Reply 3):
The 777 is still sitting tail less by the engineering sheds at LHR, looks very odd without its tail.

We got any pics of this?

Heres a link to a few of my shots of it in LHR:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/sets/72157604795480087/


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3514 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Probably a stupid question, but will the aircraft be scrapped? If so, why didn't they do it yet?

25 USAFDO : Thanks Oldeuropean.... I am sure there must be other live footage of the crash landing, but probably it is being suppressed under government security.
26 CityofAthens : From what I understand, the investigation is still taking place; the focus is on the fuel systems of the aircraft - evidently there don't yet appear
27 BuyantUkhaa : I guess they removed when it was still lying next to the runway, to stop it being an obstacle to other aircraft.
28 SWISSER : So what, I don't think this has anything to do with the 777 incident. Very sad the pictures showed up anyway, there is this common saying amongst cre
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