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User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Hi all,

Was just wondering if anyone has ever (successfully) volunteered their confirmed f-class seat on a full flight (assuming it's just Y class which is oversold)? I would imagine the agent will first look for y-class volunteers, but if he/she still needs volunteers, is it likely they would allow me (full F fare) to volunteer my seat? ...or would they just do an involuntary bump to someone in Y? I guess the question is this: if faced with an oversold situation, would the agent take me up on my offer to bump (even though I'm in F), or would he/she INVOLUNTARILY bump a low paying Y customer? I can't seem to find the argument for them not taking my offer to bump...the airline is still realizing my high fare paid. Whether they bump me for compensation or bump the Y passenger for compensation, it works out to be the same. Correct? I don't see any financial argument for one way vs. the other. In my mind, they would just take the seat from whoever wants to volunteer it (F or Y pax)...probably still giving preference to Y class volunteers (since they don't have to worry about upgrading an elite to my seat in F...just to create another spot in Y).

Not that it matters, but flight in question is LAX-HNL. Very full. Some friends were offered $800 each for their seats last week, but they were ticketed in Y.

I'm not going to HNL for vacation, so my schedule is a bit more flexible than most. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse with the whole bump thread...it's not really my thing (getting places on time is usually my biggest concern). But the thought crossed my mind for this trip... Thanks for your insight.

tsully


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User currently offlineORDflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

I volunteered a F-Class seat on a Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Chicago two years ago... Was offered Euro 1200 in credits of which I could take either use the credit of 1200 or cash it back in for Euro 600. Additionally, I was given a free overnight at the Steigenberger Frankfurt Flughafen, and confirmed on their flight the following day. For me it was a great deal... extra night in Germany at LH's expense, and Euro 600 ( i took the cash ).

Agent at the gate had no problem taking my F-Class seat. It was very nice, as the next day I had the entire First Class upper deck on the 747-400 to myself!



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User currently offlineJoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
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I once had a C-class ticket on a United flight from LHR to SFO. The Y cabin was oversold, the F cabin was completely full and I was asked to give up my Business class seat for a First Class seat the next day and a night at a LHR area hotel and some amount of cash (I forgot the amount) so they would not have to involuntarily bump a coach pax.

Took the deal, BTW. Another night in London, after all and a First Class flight back home!


User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Yes, F or Y... I do it all the time. No real difference, except that the F pax most often expect to be rebooked in F on their next available flight.

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Bump (Not confirmed F but upgraded to F):

Two weeks ago, my brother and I had confirmed Y tickets for CMH-ATL-PBI on DL. My brother is a DL Medallion while I am an AM SkyTeam Elite Plus. We arrived at Port Columbus Airport and got our boarding passes from the machine (my brother confirmed in F - upgrade - and myself in Y). On the way to the gate, my brother decided to stop at the Starbucks so I went directly to the gate where the CSA was asking for volunteers. I approached the podium and offered my seat. The CSA saw that there were two persons flying and asked if the second person was also willing to give his seat (we had no checked bags, making it easier for the CSA). I said yes without asking my brother, but thought it could be a problem due to a confirmed upgrade. Twenty minutes after volunteering, we got two $400 DL vouchers $28 in credit for breakfast and lunch and confirmed seats CMH-ATL-MIA (much better since we were actually heading to MIA, although my brother lost his upgrade since the CMH-ATL flight was now flown on a CR7). When my brother realized I had given his seat, he only said he thought it wasn't possible to volunteer with a confirmed F, but it was clearly not the case...


User currently offlineTCFC424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Bumps are intriguing things...yes, an F-seat is "bumpable". The caveat to that is, however that there has to be an F-seat for a protection flight, or the pax has to be willing to take a seat in Y...realizing this will be decided prior to taking the seat.

Also, international pax and connecting pax are at the bottom of the bump list because of the potential difficulties in routings. Gate agents MUCH prefer pax that are simply traveling on that leg of the flight. Obviously, in a needed situation we will take what we can get, but thats our preference.

Just FYI, with flights running full, it never hurts to jump on a volunteer list...with UA you can do that at the counter or at the gate. Sometimes, even the kiosk will prompt you. BTW, bump "pay" in the lower 48 is a free r/t ticket...no blackout dates, just have to have availability in a certain class of Y...and it's not a very restrictive class either. Outside the lower 48 can vary, especially Hawaii...a free r/t in the lower 48 does nothing for those pax, usually.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2061 times:
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Quoting TCFC424 (Reply 5):
Just FYI, with flights running full, it never hurts to jump on a volunteer list...with UA you can do that at the counter or at the gate. Sometimes, even the kiosk will prompt you. BTW, bump "pay" in the lower 48 is a free r/t ticket...no blackout dates, just have to have availability in a certain class of Y...and it's not a very restrictive class either. Outside the lower 48 can vary, especially Hawaii...a free r/t in the lower 48 does nothing for those pax, usually.

This varies depending on airline. NW is now doing only a $ voucher valid towards travel on NW (and partners...book thru nwa.com)



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

I really love being a volunteer when I'm travelling with FF miles, because bumped passengers are booked in Y on their next flights. This enables me to get mileage credit, something I wouldn't be able to do otherwise.

Also, AFTER you've received your voucher, it's always a good idea to call an airline's 800 number, to see if there are better flights available.

Last year, I was booked on a weight restricted AA Eagle ERJ from STL to MSP. I was among five volunteers who were bumped. All of us were moved to an NW Airlink flight that left about three hours later. I called NW's 800 number to see if I could do better, and the agent gave me the last seat on a flight that left just an hour later. The AA agent had moved everyone to the later flight, because the earlier flight did not have room for everyone, but I was able to get the earlier flight because I was proactive.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Here's an interesting one. Friends of mine were on a Virgin Atlantic flight from ORD to LHR. Coach (or whatever Sir Richard calls it) was overbooked, so my friends were moved to Upper Class.

The funny thing is that they were flying on the cheapest fare, and they don't have elite status on Virgin or a partner carrier. They still don't know why they were upgraded.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7437 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1562 times:
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Quoting TCFC424 (Reply 5):
Bumps are intriguing things...yes, an F-seat is "bumpable". The caveat to that is, however that there has to be an F-seat for a protection flight, or the pax has to be willing to take a seat in Y...realizing this will be decided prior to taking the seat.

Also, international pax and connecting pax are at the bottom of the bump list because of the potential difficulties in routings. Gate agents MUCH prefer pax that are simply traveling on that leg of the flight. Obviously, in a needed situation we will take what we can get, but thats our preference.

Just FYI, with flights running full, it never hurts to jump on a volunteer list...with UA you can do that at the counter or at the gate. Sometimes, even the kiosk will prompt you. BTW, bump "pay" in the lower 48 is a free r/t ticket...no blackout dates, just have to have availability in a certain class of Y...and it's not a very restrictive class either. Outside the lower 48 can vary, especially Hawaii...a free r/t in the lower 48 does nothing for those pax, usually.

I really learned a lot from that post. Thanks.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
I really love being a volunteer when I'm travelling with FF miles, because bumped passengers are booked in Y on their next flights. This enables me to get mileage credit, something I wouldn't be able to do otherwise.

Thats interesting. Now if you are on a paid ticket with a confirmed mileage UPGRADE, I wonder how that works. A bit more difficult to maneuver I would think?

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 8):

The funny thing is that they were flying on the cheapest fare, and they don't have elite status on Virgin or a partner carrier. They still don't know why they were upgraded.

Sometimes I think a business does this as a sway to market their product so perhaps next time those travelers will consider Virgin. Not bad.



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User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1537 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
NW is now doing only a $ voucher valid towards travel on NW (and partners...book thru nwa.com)

When did they start this? at the begining of this year I volunteered on CHA-MEM to get bumped since otherwise they were leaving bags behind and they gave me a free roundtrip ticket...(gotta love those Saabs on hour+ long flights)



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1458 times:



Quoting ORDflier (Reply 1):
I volunteered a F-Class seat on a Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Chicago two years ago... Was offered Euro 1200 in credits of which I could take either use the credit of 1200 or cash it back in for Euro 600. Additionally, I was given a free overnight at the Steigenberger Frankfurt Flughafen, and confirmed on their flight the following day. For me it was a great deal... extra night in Germany at LH's expense, and Euro 600 ( i took the cash ).

well, as LH never oversales their F-Class most probably the Business was overbooked in your case. they took your seat and upgraded another premium customer to First. usually it is very easy to find volunteers on US-bound flights as the extra night on LH's expense including 600 Euro seems very attractive.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 8):
Here's an interesting one. Friends of mine were on a Virgin Atlantic flight from ORD to LHR. Coach (or whatever Sir Richard calls it) was overbooked, so my friends were moved to Upper Class.

The funny thing is that they were flying on the cheapest fare, and they don't have elite status on Virgin or a partner carrier. They still don't know why they were upgraded.

happens very often if you don't have premium customers to upgrade anymore. its just your luck if you are the right time at the right place (and well dressed)

Quoting Tsully (Thread starter):
Was just wondering if anyone has ever (successfully) volunteered their confirmed f-class seat on a full flight (assuming it's just Y class which is oversold)?

to answer your initial question, yes you can volunteer with your F-Class ticket if F-Class is available on the next flight (if not they would involuntery downgrade you for which they had to compensate you again)


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

A few years back, in the days of Concorde, BA regularly overbooked their First cabin on their 1800 flight LHRJFK. 'Suitable' First passsengers were given the option at check-in to offload themselves with the benefit that they could travel Supersonic on Concorde leaving half an hour later!

Enough said!



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7437 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
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Quoting Carduelis (Reply 12):
'Suitable' First passsengers were given the option at check-in to offload themselves with the benefit that they could travel Supersonic on Concorde leaving half an hour later!

But of course! We would not want all the excellent wine and cheese to spoil onboard if otherwise not served to a full Concorde cabin.  Wink



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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1375 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 8):
Here's an interesting one. Friends of mine were on a Virgin Atlantic flight from ORD to LHR. Coach (or whatever Sir Richard calls it) was overbooked, so my friends were moved to Upper Class.

The funny thing is that they were flying on the cheapest fare, and they don't have elite status on Virgin or a partner carrier. They still don't know why they were upgraded.

On more than one occasion with heavily oversold Y cabins and space in C, I upgraded pax to accommodate separated families with small children.


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