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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

CO took delivery of four new Boeing 737s -- two each on Friday and Monday -- as CO continues to add more cost-saving, fuel-efficient airplanes to its fleet. On Friday, CO took delivery of two new 737-900ERs (Aircraft 423 and 424), and Monday CO took delivery of one 737-900ER (Aircraft 425) and one 737-800 (Aircraft 513).

The 737-800s being delivered this year are equipped with 16 first-class seats and 144 coach seats. These aircraft have three more coach seats and two extra flight attendant jumpseats compared to CO’s existing 737-800. The 737-900ER is equipped with 20 first-class and 153 coach seats and includes a mid-cabin lavatory for increased passenger convenience.

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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

So are the new 738s no longer being fitted with the mid-cabin lav? What about the overhead monitors, similar to why the 739ERs have no form of entertainment till they begin LiveTV fittings next year?


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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Yes, this sounds better...

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8456 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
So are the new 738s no longer being fitted with the mid-cabin lav? What about the overhead monitors, similar to why the 739ERs have no form of entertainment till they begin LiveTV fittings next year?

No mid-cabin lavs from now on for 738s. And from what I understand, no IFE for any of the new 737s until liveTV.



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User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8395 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
And from what I understand, no IFE for any of the new 737s until liveTV.

You are correct there...I was on A/C 512 last weekend and there was no IFE on it...They made an anouncement before the flight about how they had to do the safety demo the "old fashioned way".

-C


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8306 times:

What happened to the 20 First Class seat configuration? I thought THAT was going to be standard from now on!

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 8205 times:

Are any fleet replacements planned with CO in the near future ?


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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8082 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Are any fleet replacements planned with CO in the near future ?

I think the only things really needing to be replaced would be the older 737s which CO could just order more 738s and 739ERs. But the 787s will allow for growth as well as replace some 767s i guess (the 764 most likely when they need to be). I would have thought we'd see some more 777 orders but I guess they will just stick with the 787. They really have a simple fleet, 737s, 757, 767, and 777


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8031 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Are any fleet replacements planned with CO in the near future ?

They're parking ALL 737-300 aircraft in the next 18 months, along with 20 737-500 aircraft. These will be replaced by their already outstanding orders of about 30 more 738/739 aircraft, so it will be a net shrink of fleet size.

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 7):
But the 787s will allow for growth as well as replace some 767s i guess (the 764 most likely when they need to be).

Nope, Continental has said that the 787 will be for growth and MIGHT be used to replace 767-200 planes, not the -400s. The -400s have a low operating cost, which can't be said for the -200s.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7615 times:



Quoting Letsgetwet (Thread starter):
What happened to the 20 First Class seat configuration? I thought THAT was going to be standard from now on!

Only the 737-800s that currently have the 18 First Class seats (and mid cabin lav) will get the two extra First class seats.

The Mid cabin lav 737-800s will have 20 First Class seats, the rest of the 737-800s will have 16.


The mid cabin lav 737-800s and all 737-900s and 737-900ERs will have 20 First Class seats.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7583 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Nope, Continental has said that the 787 will be for growth and MIGHT be used to replace 767-200 planes, not the -400s. The -400s have a low operating cost, which can't be said for the -200s.

That's a good point. I was surprised to see CO order the -200 so late in the game given the relatively high seat-mile costs compared to, say the -300. Obviously it looks like a worse investment with an increase in fuel prices as drastic as we have recently seen.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7506 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Continental has said that the 787 will be for growth and MIGHT be used to replace 767-200 planes, not the -400s. The -400s have a low operating cost, which can't be said for the -200s.

At some point the 787s will replace the -400s but after the -200s. The replacement of the -400 is not a top priority.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7382 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Nope, Continental has said that the 787 will be for growth and MIGHT be used to replace 767-200 planes, not the -400s. The -400s have a low operating cost, which can't be said for the -200s.

Oh i didn't know that, do they have any plans for a 762 replacement? I don't really know what's available to replace them


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7312 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 11):
At some point the 787s will replace the -400s but after the -200s. The replacement of the -400 is not a top priority.

They have 25 787 on order and currently have 26 767. There might be a connection.

You think we might ever see a 739ER in TXL?

I think CO should get rif of the 733, 735, 757, and 767 to save more fuel. New 737, 787, and 77E will make a modern fleet.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7245 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
You think we might ever see a 739ER in TXL?

The 737s are not going Trans-Atlantic.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
They have 25 787 on order and currently have 26 767. There might be a connection.

CO also have an additional 35 options, basically it's a flexible fleet plan. If things are tough economically they can replace pretty much one for one the 767s with 787s, which keeps the fleet size the same albeit much more fuel efficient.

Or they can grow if the economy is strong, keep the 767s plus the addition of the 787s.



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User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7188 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
757

This plane is the workhorse of the fleet. It's maximized to the fullest (including minimizing downtime by flying routes like IAH-SAT)


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7188 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
You think we might ever see a 739ER in TXL?

only as a charter with a fuel stop.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
What happened to the 20 First Class seat configuration? I thought THAT was going to be standard from now on!

No, that is their "high premium" 738 configuration with the extra lav, and will not be installed on any other aircraft.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7088 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
I think CO should get rif of the 733, 735, 757, and 767 to save more fuel. New 737, 787, and 77E will make a modern fleet.

What? Then there goes most of the TATL flights. Why drop the 764s?



yep.
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6992 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
They have 25 787 on order and currently have 26 767. There might be a connection.

You think we might ever see a 739ER in TXL?

I think CO should get rif of the 733, 735, 757, and 767 to save more fuel. New 737, 787, and 77E will make a modern fleet.

Hey you are back !!!!!

I think we will see a lot of airlines getting rid of their 737 classics soon. United is doing it right now, 2009 LH will phase out the 737-500 and will retire their last 737 in 2012 (I believe even earlier, remember that the 747-200 was supposed to stay longer, too).

But back to CO, you are right about the retirement of the 737 classics and the 767 but it will be hard to find a decent replacement for the 757W anytime soon.
I guess soon we will have
EJets
737-700s,800s,900s
757W
787
77E
as CO mainline fleet.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

So how many total active configurations are there for the 738s now? 5?

And how many of the 738s have in-seat power? Last I checked (probably close to a year now) the answer was 1, but I imagine it has to have gone either up or down since then.



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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6938 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
So are the new 738s no longer being fitted with the mid-cabin lav?

The 737-800s delivered from about 2002 came 14/141 without the midlav. They were progressively converted to 16/141, now will become 16/144. The 737-800s with the midlav were 18/132, now 20/132, and eventually will all be 20/135.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
What happened to the 20 First Class seat configuration? I thought THAT was going to be standard from now on!

As noted, it is on the 737-800s with the mid-cabin lavatory.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
You think we might ever see a 739ER in TXL?

99.9% certain you never will. The 757-200 barely has the legs for EWR-TXL, the 739ER has no chance of making this route nonstop with a revenue payload.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
I think CO should get rif of the 733, 735, 757, and 767 to save more fuel. New 737, 787, and 77E will make a modern fleet.

The 757/767-400ER are still at the low end of per-seat fuel consumption in the fleet. The 737-500, 767-200ER, and 737-300 are CO's thirstiest jets on this basis, in order. The 777-200ER comes next, but its massive cargo and premium pax capacity make it a huge moneymaker when there's freight in the bins and asses in the seats. No chance of any of those going away.

CO's fleet is the most modern of the majors at present, and will only become more modern as the oldest jets in the fleet (733) are phased out in the upcoming year.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6615 times:



Quoting 777gk (Reply 20):
The 737-800s delivered from about 2002 came 14/141 without the midlav. They were progressively converted to 16/141, now will become 16/144. The 737-800s with the midlav were 18/132, now 20/132, and eventually will all be 20/135.

No, no older aircraft will get 3 extra Y seats.

Only new build 738s can, because they use the new flat rear pressure bulkhead of the 739ER, which allows for rearranging the back of the plane to get an extra 3 seats as well as eliminated the 'seat next to the toilet' that everyone hates.



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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5539 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 13):
You think we might ever see a 739ER in TXL?

I hope not imagine getting stuck in the back of a 737 for a TATL flight  crowded   no 


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5351 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 22):
I hope not imagine getting stuck in the back of a 737 for a TATL flight

Which is so much different than a 757 from a coach pax perspective.  sarcastic 


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5069 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):

No, no older aircraft will get 3 extra Y seats.

Only new build 738s can, because they use the new flat rear pressure bulkhead of the 739ER, which allows for rearranging the back of the plane to get an extra 3 seats as well as eliminated the 'seat next to the toilet' that everyone hates.

One of us is confused here...

The process was explained to me as follows: the galley unit forward of 2R will be removed, replaced with a lavatory, and the new three seat unit will be placed where the forwardmost of the two lavs on the port side currently sits. The transverse galley unit on the aft bulkhead will remain as-is. The loss of space will, as I understand, be offset by more efficient galley pack-outs and catering adjustments.

As far as I know, the 737-800, even the new-builds, are still coming with the dished-out pressure bulkhead. Transitioning to a flat bulkhead would likely require a recert process and would not allow for any additional revenue seats over the present limit of 189.


25 Ikramerica : 16.2" wide seats in the last rows. No fun at all.
26 SYfan100 : Will some of the older 737-800s be moved over to their Guam hub? Or will they just stay in the U.S with the newer ones that join the fleet? Remember t
27 STT757 : 737-900ERs 20 FC / 153 Y = 173 757-200ERs 16 BF / 159 = 175
28 ADXMatt : we have 8 new 777's on order that will begin taking delivery the end of this year IIRC. These were ordered when Boeing announced a delay to the 787 p
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