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Delta: So Long, Ron - 1997-2008!  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

The final Delta Air Lines mainline aircraft, N130DL, has been stripped of its Ron Allen livery, bringing to an end of 11 years of the Ron Allen paint scheme at Delta. At the end of this scheme's life it looked a little long in the tooth but when freshly painted aircraft looked great in these colors!

Some of my shots of the Ron Allen colors:




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All three liveries in one shot:


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Some other shots of the Ron Allen scheme in the database (the 777 and 767-400 looked stunning in this scheme in my opinion):


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So long, Ron!

1997-2008.

[Edited 2008-07-01 04:28:35]

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User currently offlineEHCPH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12210 times:

Call me old fashioned, but IMHO there's only one Delta scheme...


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Simply timeless

EHCPH


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12144 times:



Quoting EHCPH (Reply 1):
Call me old fashioned, but IMHO there's only one Delta scheme...



Quoting EHCPH (Reply 1):
Simply timeless

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I never knew how much I missed the old original untill I see all three of the more modern schemes together!



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11952 times:

Good ridden and Ron take your golden parachutes with you!!  Smile

Atlanta



Welcome To The New Delta- The World's Largest Airline
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11940 times:

I miss the widget!

Flew on a RA scheme 763 in F class from ATL-LAS back in late March...to tell you the truth, I like that one even better than the current livery. Deltaflot wasn't THAT bad, but still not the widget!


User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11914 times:

I'm not sure that's the final mainline. I just saw a 767-300 domestic at SFO in the Ron Allen livery last wednesday, unless they both went in for the re-paint this weekend?


"FLY DELTA JETS"
User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11880 times:

No offense Flynavy,

But good riddance to Allen, his (in my opinion) bland paint job, and everything that he did to Delta. Now if we could just get the remaining frowning widgets gone once and for all....

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11860 times:

Good riddens!

Next up is Colors in Motion - lord knows many a people will be celebrating when the last Leo-era paint-scheme is gone as well.

Darkest days in Delta's history!

[Edited 2008-07-01 06:26:24]


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

I flew on my second last DL 727 March 2003 on a Ron Allen colored bird! I personally liked the 'Deltaflot ' colors.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineNWAJettjockie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11793 times:



Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 2):
Quoting EHCPH (Reply 1):
Call me old fashioned, but IMHO there's only one Delta scheme...



Quoting EHCPH (Reply 1):
Simply timeless



I never knew how much I missed the old original untill I see all three of the more modern schemes together!

I agree. It is classic.


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11792 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 3):
Good ridden and Ron take your golden parachutes with you!!

Atlanta

Those who claim they hate Ron Allen tend to ignore the facts and blame him for Delta's later troubles. Allen was a visionary, and the first few (profitable) years of Leo Mullin's rein were Allen's creation, not Leo's. Allen saw that the future was an International Route System, and that Delta's costs had to be brought into line with WN's. That was his impetus for his infamous "Project 7.5," which tried to bring Delta's ppm costs down to Southwest's 7.5 Cents per mile. Allen took the blame for cutting costs at Delta during and after the recession of 1991 -1992, costs that had to be cut. Allen also decided to buy the Pan Am European Route System, for which he took lots of heat from the employees, and while the Frankfurt hub never worked, today, Delta's JFK International Hub is one of the principal reasons the airline was able to survive Chapter 11. Allen may have gotten a golden parachute but nothing compared to what Mullin and his gang got, and Allen spent his business life at Delta. He wasn't some outsider who was given the keys only to drive the bus over the cliff. While I never really cared for his livery, Ron's blood flowed Delta red and blue. I truly believe that if Allen had not been dumped, Delta would have survived without filing Chapter 11, and today would not be saddled with Comair and all their 50 seat RJ's. He did get a golden parachute, but as I said, compared to what the board gave to Leo Mullin, it was relatively small potatoes. I told a Delta ALPA leader pilot, the weekend Ron was fired, that he would rue the day that Allen was dumped, and he told me I was nuts. Five years later, I didn't look so crazy!


User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11699 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
At the end of this scheme's life it looked a little long in the tooth

I flew on this bird back in March from PBI to ATL. Funny thing is that it had the new interior and the only clean part of the aircraft was the roof where they put the sattelite dish. Also saw her last Monday in ATL. Must have been one of the last flights before hitting the paint shop.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 2):
I never knew how much I missed the old original untill I see all three of the more modern schemes together!

Agreed!!



PBI is South Florida's BEST airport!
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2244 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11657 times:

Of the four DL schemes, I still think the best would have been the fuselage and engines of the Ron Allen scheme, with the tail of the "original widget" scheme.

The tail of DL's aircraft in the "original widget" scheme looks timeless. However, the stripe patterns on the "original widget" look very dated. At least the Ron Allen scheme had some color on the fuselage, unlike the "wavy gravy" and the current schemes, which are just two more boring euro white schemes.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6571 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11611 times:

Just to let everyone know, there are still four Comair CRJs in Ron Allen colors. However, Flynavy is right about this being the last mainline aircraft in Ron Allen colors.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11556 times:



Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 5):
I just saw a 767-300 domestic at SFO in the Ron Allen livery last wednesday,

And it flew over my house on the weekend on approach to PHX....


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11431 times:

Ron Allen looked great on the 772ERs and 764ERs.... just didn't like the tail.


I still claim that the ultimate DL livery would be taking the cheatline and titling from "The Spirit of Ron Allen", and combining it with the tail and cowlings of "Upwards and Onwards".

Now THAT would be PHAT!


User currently offlineN776AU From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11313 times:

That livery was my favorite of any Delta paint. It was simple, but it still looked good.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11186 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
Next up is Colors in Motion - lord knows many a people will be celebrating when the last Leo-era paint-scheme is gone as well.

Darkest days in Delta's history!

It is a shame when an airline’s livery is tied to its CEO. Does make it easier to acknowledge when the old is actually gone… but it does take a long time to change “regimes” that way!

The upright red and blue widget will always be a class in global aviation.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
Those who claim they hate Ron Allen tend to ignore the facts and blame him for Delta's later troubles.

Ron Allen didn’t lack for vision – but he screwed up often on execution. The Pan Am acquisition was a great move but if DL had moved a year earlier, they could have had LHR. If DL had listened to some of the PA mgmt, there would have been no need for 7.5 because DL wouldn’t have lost $2B digesting the PA assets. There was no reason for someone who knew DL’s culture to be so unable to connect with DL’s people or to allow DL’s product to slip so far down.

There is no doubt that DL’s worst CEO was Mullin – he had neither vision or execution – but padded his pockets handsomely nonetheless.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11115 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 17):

I think Ron Allen got disconnected from the Delta "family" culture, rather quickly. He got power hungry and forgot where his roots were.

Many mistakes were made during the PA aquisition. DL had never had to deal with officials in some of the foreign countries, before. They weren't used to "fees" being paid under the table. Costs of DL employees going overseas for temporary duty is another thing. Instead of paying for actual meal costs, they paid a flat $60 a day for food. In my case, in TLV, that would cover almost three days worth of meals. The hotel room was paid for separately by the company.I'm sure the situation was the same in many of the other cities that employees were sent to.

Mullin, in addition to being an outsider, brought in many outsiders, most of who thought the DL culture was a joke and that DL made money all of those years in spite of ourselves. Obviously, most were there, just to get their share of the loot and move on. Michelle Burns showed her true colors once she left the company. While she seemed a trusted DL exec, nothing could have been further from the truth, once she left.

Much of the Leo Mullin fiasco can be laid at the feet of the BOD, who hired him and THEN made his contract and "golden parachute", bankruptcy proof. The same can be said of the other execs in his group.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineLawndart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11045 times:



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
Allen was a visionary,

With all due respect, Milesrich, I'm going to have to call bullsh*t on this one.

Contrary to his own belief, Ron Allen was anything but a visionary, and worse yet, he didn't listen to the visionaries he had working for him at the time.

He also had great difficulty understanding facts and figures. Furthermore, he held a grudge, which had the effect (after they witnessed his taking it out on one individual) of causing his other "visionaries" to keep quiet and let him steam-roll his "vision" through.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
and the first few (profitable) years of Leo Mullin's rein were Allen's creation, not Leo's.

The first few profitable years of Leo's rein were extremely profitable for the entire U.S. airline industry...just prior to the dotcom bubble, if I recall. An airline would have made money with a chimp in the CEO's office.

And please don't take this comment to mean I supported Leo in any shape or form...he was the worst thing to happen to DL.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
Allen saw that the future was an International Route System,

Yeah, Taipei and Tblisi (I kid you not...) hubs, anyone? Okay, I'll give him credit for international expansion, the problem was it was stoopid...Portland, OR to Asia?

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
and that Delta's costs had to be brought into line with WN's.

Part of his method for bringing down costs were to sub-contract everything, extend cleaning, cut food...in other words, destroy everything Delta had a good reputation for.

The result was a Delta hardly anyone recognized. Visionary...

CVG was also Allen's bright idea...when others tried to advise him that the O&D wouldn't support a hub, he wouldn't listen. Visionary...

His idea of getting serious at the DFW hub was to ride a horse through downtown Dallas...sheesh. In hindsight, not such a good idea...but visionary at the time  sigh 

And don't even get me started on his concept for Delta Express using MD88s at 130 seat capacity...essentially Delta's version of TED (rip out First Class (and the revenue)). How did that work out for United?

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
Allen also decided to buy the Pan Am European Route System, for which he took lots of heat from the employees, and while the Frankfurt hub never worked

When Allen went to NY to negotiate the asset purchase from Pan Am, Pan Am management had all the data ready to show Delta why purchasing the Latin America division was such a good move.

When Allen stated Delta's intention was to buy JFK and FRA, Pan Am's executives reminded him that those were the two divisions that were driving PA into insolvency.

As was often the case, Allen did not listen, and steam-rolled his "vision" into reality.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
today, Delta's JFK International Hub is one of the principal reasons the airline was able to survive Chapter 11.

JFK lost MILLIONS of dollars for DL as a result...and the execution of the JFK hub right after the acquisition truly sucked...oh, and JFK still doesn't make money...oh, and, what, 17 years after the acquisition, the facility is still a sh*t-hole.

I truly believe had Allen not been Delta's CEO, there would've been much more money for Leo and his gang to pillage.

 wink 


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11020 times:



Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 5):



Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):

You both saw N130DL. Trust me, us Deltoids have been keeping track.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10929 times:



Quoting Lawndart (Reply 19):
Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
Allen was a visionary,

With all due respect, Milesrich, I'm going to have to call bullsh*t on this one.

I have to agree. If Ron Allen was a "visionary", he was long overdue for an eye exam.

Allen's idea of being CEO was "my way or the highway".



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10841 times:



Quoting EHCPH (Reply 1):

Call me old fashioned, but IMHO there's only one Delta scheme...

Agreed. Two things in particular I miss about that scheme:

1) On international aircraft, the American flag was on the top of the tail (i.e. on the L15, and 767ER).

2) On Boeing airplanes, there was a Boeing typeface font by the aft door that said what kind of airplane there was (Boeing 757. 767, 727, etc).


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10816 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
Deltaflot wasn't THAT bad, but still not the widget!

Agreed

Quoting 727forever (Reply 6):
But good riddance to Allen, his (in my opinion) bland paint job, and everything that he did to Delta. Now if we could just get the remaining frowning widgets gone once and for all....

2nd that.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
lord knows many a people will be celebrating when the last Leo-era paint-scheme is gone as well.

Yes people will but the sad thing is alot of people would much rather have the Wavy Gray (with the right widget) than the "upwards on words" bull. I don't see how its so hard to understand that the widget is/was great and someone needs to bring it back and quit f**king with the widget. (all red? wtf?)

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
I told a Delta ALPA leader pilot, the weekend Ron was fired, that he would rue the day that Allen was dumped, and he told me I was nuts. Five years later, I didn't look so crazy!

They both sucked so it didn't really matter.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 10):
Allen was a visionary

Visionary? Ha more like just plain stupid. He should have bought the Latin American network from PA and not let UA get it. Someone remind me what happened to the MIA hub after UA got it.  Wink

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 17):
Ron Allen didn't lack for vision -- but he screwed up often on execution. The Pan Am acquisition was a great move but if DL had moved a year earlier, they could have had LHR. If DL had listened to some of the PA mgmt, there would have been no need for 7.5 because DL wouldn't have lost $2B digesting the PA assets. There was no reason for someone who knew DL's culture to be so unable to connect with DL's people or to allow DL's product to slip so far down.

Had DL been able to get LHR + what they got it would have been a ok deal. They should have bought MIA.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 18):
I think Ron Allen got disconnected from the Delta "family" culture, rather quickly. He got power hungry and forgot where his roots were.

Agreed.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 18):
Much of the Leo Mullin fiasco can be laid at the feet of the BOD, who hired him and THEN made his contract and "golden parachute", bankruptcy proof. The same can be said of the other execs in his group.

Don't even get me started.



yep.
User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10708 times:

My favorite choices for DL liveries are 1. The old widget (I grew up with it). 2. The newest livery. A close 3rd, the wavy gravy. 4. Ron Allen. Nothing wrong with Ron Allen it just happened to follow one of the best liveries in airline history.


Bring back Western Airlines!
25 WA707atMSP : As I said in the "DL at DFW" thread, I think one of the biggest mistakes DL made was to build the DFW hub up so slowly post deregulation. In 1980, Bra
26 Mayor : I think what bothers me most about the newest livery is this.........it seems it was designed and implemented to intentionally push aside DL's past.
27 CatIII : Exactly. It's not your Delta anymore, and oh by the way we're going to bring in a management team comprised primarily of executives who are from an a
28 DeltaL1011man : great post Mayor. The bad thing is all the employees I have talked to don't like it.
29 Flynavy : Not this employee.
30 ComairGuyCVG : The only real paint scheme was Delta's 1980's livery. Simply the best on the planet and nothing will ever compare to it. Wish they never got rid of it
31 Ckfred : The pre-Allen paint scheme, although very identifiable, was looking dated by 1997. I actually liked the Ron Allen scheme, far better than the wavy gra
32 1337Delta764 : I agree on the fact that the Classic Widget livery was a bit outdated by 1997. However, I actually preferred the Wavy Gravy over the Ron Allen scheme
33 Atlanta : I don't hate him he just screwed up and to some extent robbed Delta blind. What he did to Delta was sinful and he knows it. Hell even I know it. Is y
34 WorldTraveler : Back to history class…. DL had every intention of buying Pan Am’s Latin America division in a 2 step process that involved DL acquiring equity in
35 Jfk777 : Pan Am flew A310 and 747's to Europe. Allen's plan was for DElta to fly smaller L1011-500 and 767, not the 747 with 412 seats. 220 seat 767's could t
36 Bobnwa : Maybe I am being nostalgic, but I think the current NWA livery is better than any of the DL liveries. I will be sad to see it go, but I do understand
37 DeltaL1011man : Other than the Widget I agree with you bob..........and I'm one of the biggest Delta fan boys on a.net. Not really. DL and Ron thought that A310 was
38 Steeler83 : The Widget... and doing away with it... one of Delta's biggest mistakes if you ask me...
39 WESTERN737800 : Totally agree. We should get a petition going in a few years when the current livery gets outdated. I think both the old and new NWA liveries are ver
40 767-332ER : I must say that I am sadened to see them go, as I can still remember when I first laid eyes on them (Delta Digest 1997 on N194DN). I also remember see
41 Brilondon : I wish that the "New Delta" would look like the old Delta.
42 TUNisia : To think someone got paid to design that POS scheme is beyond me. Good riddance Ron and may the world not be subject to anything that bad on an aircra
43 GayStudPilot : WorldTraveler... thanks for all the history lessons. You rock!
44 Tristarcrazy : Although the "Ron" scheme kinda grew on me, I'm glad to see it go. Anything to do with that pompous azz is glad to be gone. The only thing he was good
45 SESGDL : I may be one of the only people on here but I HATE NW's new livery, it looks discolored on half of the fleet and looks dull to me. Their old livery,
46 Reltney : The ultimate Delta livery is the 1960 CV-880. Nothing beats it.. BTW, No one at Delta ever called it a wavy gravy and nor the beach towel look. It is
47 GayStudPilot : hey... wait a minute... why a straight FA?? LOL
48 Rwy04LGA : Nor this one!
49 Aloha717200 : I actually really liked the Ron Allen scheme, to me it always complemented the classic DL scheme, though I agree that the Widget should have remained
50 SHUPirate1 : Which Delta Express MD-88 did you fly on? If I recall correctly, they flew 737-200's exclusively.
51 Post contains links and images DL Widget Head : Nothing wrong with nostalgia, my favorite schemes of either airline are these classics: View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank C. Duarte Jr. View L
52 Post contains links and images DL Widget Head : throw these in as well: View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter de Groot View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank C. Duarte Jr. View Large View Medi
53 Pilot21 : Wow..didn't realise so many of you disliked the Ron Allen scheme, which I must be honest was a close 2nd in Delta's liveries to the 'Widget' scheme. T
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : It really didn't look that bad. And IMO, it looked the best on a 757. Wavy gravy was a pretty good livery too but I just hope that they stick with thi
55 Post contains images Flynavy : Here's another shot for good measure:
56 Mayor : I agree. I think Lawndart is thinking of the Shuttle and not DL Express.
57 WorldTraveler : DL was not convinced the 310 was the right plane. It was what PA flew and DL had to take some PA aircraft in order to fly PA’s transatlantic schedu
58 Mayor : The Ron Allen scheme always looked unfinished to me, especially the tail which was painted in a straight line across the bottom. I think it would hav
59 LawnDart : My statement was: His concept, which never flew, was for DL Express to operate a fleet of MD88s with FC taken out and the remaining seats spread out.
60 Mayor : My mistake. Those of you that worked in "Mecca" heard and saw alot more than those of us that worked in the hinterlands. BTW, aside from Hollis Harris
61 DeltaL1011man : don't remind me Not counting on it but if they do i'll take my happy a** to CO. We will see. But the burning widget don't look good on anything.
62 WESTERN737800 : Agreed, I dont have a problem with Ron Allen. There was just something missing on the tail, mabye not enough red.
63 DALMD88 : I've never been a fan of the Ron colors and the Deltaflot colors have grown on me , but will not be missed. I wish we had never changed the font of th
64 Mayor : When I was in TLV, during the PA aquisition, the maintenance folks and the ramp folks could hardly wait for DL to start doing some fixes on the A-310
65 Cubastar : "Son"..........you're doing just fine. Wait until you get to be my age. I'm surprised, but I even remember the sideways tail Widget on the newly deli
66 Ocracoke : By too large, do you mean passenger wise, or the width of the aircraft, so that it couldn't fit into a gate? Passenger wise, the DL version of the A3
67 Post contains links and images Mayor : Just as a reference to the A-310, Delta stickers and such, here's a couple of shots I took in TLV in November of '91. The first shot is of the departu
68 DL_Mech : They saved a lot of time by only painting the stripes and widgets when the white paint was in good shape. Also, they painted a couple of planes befor
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