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Concorde Alpha Delta"s Nose Ripped Off  
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31632 times:

The retired British Airways CONCORDE G-BOAD has had it"s nose ripped off at Flloyd bennet airfield.

As reported on the NYC Aviation site.

http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12589

  

NEW Yorkers your Aviation museums are letting your city down big time.

All the other Concordes are safe and sound and in one peice and AD is looking like this.



     

[Edited 2008-07-02 02:18:31]

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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31642 times:

What the hell hit Alpha-Delta's nose? It looks like it's knocked off, the way it's been sheared in those pictures.

BA - you still own AD. Put her on a barge and bring her back home to LHR where she truly belongs! There's plenty of BA folk willing to care for her. Do it. Do it now, before it's too late!


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31591 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 1):
BA - you still own AD. Put her on a barge and bring her back home to LHR where she truly belongs! There's plenty of BA folk willing to care for her. Do it. Do it now, before it's too late!

I completely agree with you. These aircraft are a part of history and a very important part of it at that.
I think its disgusting that these aircraft are allowed to be treated this way. Just look at BGI for example. The aircraft was sitting on the tarmac, the sun beating down on it, the paintwork fading so they decided to build a hanger for it. Thats the way they should be treated



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31589 times:

Indeed, BA should take her somewhere else asap, because the way New York is only respecting this gift isn't worthy of her staying there any longer.

There are literally hundreds of aviation museums all over the world which would do whatever it takes to get a real Concorde in their collection, yet NY puts AD up outside an airport and lets her deteriorate worryingly quickly.

What will she look like in 5 years? Like all the pictures of all those old 707s and DC-8s in Africa etc we regularly see on A.net????


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Photo © Marcos Oliveira



A Concorde deserves MUCH better than that!

BA, its your corporate image and your legacy which are at risk here!

[Edited 2008-07-02 02:38:18]

User currently offlineHiggi91 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31552 times:

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 2):
These aircraft are a part of history and a very important part of it at that

Totally agree, there more that history though, they are also still in the future because there is nothing as advanced (if you understand)


BTW what happened to the concorde restoration project?

Dan.

[Edited 2008-07-02 02:40:00]


Hey Hey :D
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31481 times:

Concorde Delta Golf Restoration Project is still going Strong.

As for the Intrepids Alpha Delta restoration Project well photos speak louder than words.



 ouch   old 


User currently offlineHiggi91 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31448 times:

Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 5):
Concorde Delta Golf Restoration Project is still going Strong

Brilliant!   its makes me so angry everytime I see photos like this.

thanks
Dan.

[Edited 2008-07-02 03:07:47]


Hey Hey :D
User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31416 times:

What on earth has a Concorde to do with an aricraft carrier anyway?

I mean, if ever you were forced to land something on one, the Concorde would probably be a very last choice...

/end rant

Toni  Smile



Set the controls for the heart of the Sun
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31386 times:

As I posted on other forums what happened here is a total scandal.

New York City will never take care of Concorde. Even the huge project of redoing the WTC with the culminating Freedom Tower is taking a lot longer than planned with budgets seemingly going totally over board.

NYC has other priorities and other things to worry about. Not talking about the US economy being in shambles but that's not really the topic here.

I doubt the Intrepid Museum will find the sponsors ready to donate all the funds that are needed so she gets proper care. What we have seen so far since AD was sent to NYC for display is not encouraging at all.

At the Intrepid, visitors trashed the cabin in several places. Cuts, trashed overhead bins and seats. At the air field in the bonkers, shattered cockpit windows, paint scrapped or going off and now the nose chopped off. This is horrifying.

I don't predict that the aircraft will last long if she stays in (or around) New York City. They have had her for a sufficient amount of time and proved that instead of being properly taken care of and protected, only destruction has happened.

After the broken nose, what's next?....

Concorde G-BOAD is also a Singapore Airlines aircraft.

She can be brought to Singapore by sea and restored to her original Singapore Airlines and British Airways dual livery, kept there as a heritage aircraft and displayed with pride. She would be admired by thousands every day at Changi Airport. The alternative is Paya Lebar Air Base, her original Singapore Airport.

Singapore is the only place where she could be totally safe and in good hands more than anywhere else in the world. She belongs there and that's where I think she should go.

Singapore can save Concorde G-BOAD, the Concorde that once carried the Golden Bird livery at 60,000 ft at speeds over Mach 2.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Indeed, BA should take her somewhere else asap




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31302 times:

I wonder if any of the other US museums who wanted a CONCORDE and got told no are looking at AD and Shaking there heads thinking what could have been.

Let alone those In Australia and Singapore and the Middle east who have huge amounts of Money to Lavish on there Exhibits.

The Brooklands Concorde Delta Golf Restoration Project.

For Higgi91

www.brooklandsconcorde.com/


User currently offlineHiggi91 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31247 times:



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 9):
The Brooklands Concorde Delta Golf Restoration Project.

For Higgi91

wow thats great. Big grin at least there will always be at least one concorde to look at.

Dan.



Hey Hey :D
User currently offlineSingaporeBoy From Singapore, joined May 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31248 times:

I totally agree with Madame Concorde...bring that beautiful bird back to Singapore and repaint her in SQ colors and display her at the entrance of changi airport.i am sure SQ would jump at the chance...heck if SQ doesnt want her....i do!!Bring her to me!!!!

User currently offlineStandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31212 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Singapore is the only place

I agree with every single heartfelt world - except one.

"Only".

Don't be offended, Singapore would be a great location for sure, but I think there's many other places that could do the job of looking after Concorde.

I look forward to see Willie Walsh's comments on this. Ahem.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8996 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31108 times:
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 cry   cry 

This looks so sad! Poor little baby...

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31108 times:

Higgi

Manchester has Concorde
Alpha Charle with Trident Man in charge

East Fortune nere EDI have
Alpha Alpha

Filton Have
Alpha Foxtrot

BA still has
Alpha Bravo at Heathrow.

Barbados have
Alpha Echo and are Spoiling her rotten.

Alpha Golf is in Seattle with Boeing Museum of Flught.

Alpha Delta?!? is supposed to be with the Intrepid Museum and due to return there soon the team who look after the Aircraft Exhibits are Probably going APE trying to sort out this mess!


I wish them luck.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31124 times:

Only Concorde G-BOAD carried the Golden Bird livery at 60,000 ft at speeds over Mach 2.
No other livery had that chance except for BA and Air France.

The Braniff Concordes who did the service joinly with Air France and BA did not have that same chance for as much as I can remember. They flew passengers only overland and kept their original liveries, no Braniff livery on Concorde.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/la...oncorde-flight-dfw-1980/3624925110

Quoting Standby87 (Reply 12):
I agree with every single heartfelt world - except one.

"Only".




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31077 times:

Personally I think there should be a Concorde for every continent, except Antarctica, due to runway restrictions, and the fact that noone will see her. North America has also forfeited its right, unless they beg for forgiveness...and offer a better home, that will look after it, maybye even run up the engines now and again so people can hear the sweet screaming melody.

Are any of the Concordes still airworthy? It would be nice if some museum or organisation would be able to keep even a single example able to fly. Such an icon is a fantastic motivator for people. The sky isnt the limit...


User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31048 times:

That is very sad. I thought the Concorde in Seattle looked a little under the weather, but she was still in one piece.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31023 times:

Seattle has very nice plans. They are going to build a hangar.
The latest most recent fund raising was apparently a total success.

Washington Dulles has a Concorde at the National Air and Space Museum in Chantilly, Virginia. She is very well kept there. NASM are very serious and they have Udvar Hazy who are billionaires so there is no risk.

Quoting Wunala (Reply 17):
That is very sad. I thought the Concorde in Seattle looked a little under the weather, but she was still in one piece.




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30984 times:

Sad to say GST all BA Concordes and most Airfrance Concordes have been decomisioned which means they will never fly again.

Concorde F-BTSD at Lebourget is still able to move her nose and Visor and has all her avionics still working so she is the most alive but even she has no engines and no CoA so would be unable to fly.

My fellow Concorde Freinds all over the globe are for the most part still unaware of what has happend at the momment but once they all see the Photos of Alpha Delta"s nose they will start Boiling Over with Anger.

The Newyork Photogs and Spotters are not impressed (Pissed) is the politest word I can use to describe their feelings at the momment!



 Wow!         


  

PS these are the People who are Supposed to be looking after ALPHA DELTA till her new Dock is finnsihed at the Interpid Musem.

http://www.aviatorsports.com/

So they are to Blame for her Present State.

[Edited 2008-07-02 04:22:17]

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30955 times:

Sorry guys - it maybe my PC - but I can't see any pics, anybody point me in the right direction?

Thks



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30895 times:



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 20):
Sorry guys - it maybe my PC - but I can't see any pics, anybody point me in the right direction?

I couldn't either but I put it down to me being at work



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30785 times:

? Did any one in Newyork see or hear about this on Local TV or Radio news Programs as it appears to have gone unoticed in the Newyork.

The Newyork News people are Known world wide for not letting anything get past them and for this to have been missed is very odd indeed was Newyork"s news media Asleep when this happend?


 old 


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30748 times:

Here are some pictures :

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/June302008Concorde038.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/June302008Concorde027.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/June302008Concorde002.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/June302008Concorde004.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/June302008Concorde013.jpg


25 MadameConcorde : FlySSC, it infuriates me to see this. New York does not care about Concorde. The proof is in the pictures. The sooner she gets moved out from there th
26 FlySSC : Just like AF, BA still owns their Concorde. They have to act if they want to do something for OAD. Nobody else can do anything.
27 Rbgso : Looks like the plane was sticking out over a road, and probably some tall vehicle drove by and clipped her nose. A true shame. I agree, if this is how
28 MadameConcorde : Sadly Air France no longer owns any of their Concordes. Two were "sold" to museums for a symbolic 1 French Franc, the NASM in Virginia and the Museum
29 BlackProjects : Concordes that are nere a road have Barriers infront of the Nose to stop the Nose beeing Clipped and Ripped of Normaly but it looks like the Barriers
30 BrightCedars : I'm very sad seeing these pictures. Sure there are more important causes in the world any day but this is a shame for the city and people of NY. I vot
31 BlackProjects : It now appears that BA was not informed about the State of Aplha Delta and are now Very Angry.
32 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The other place where she would be so-so safe is Dubai. She could team up with the QE2 at Dubai World as a tourist attraction. The problem with Dubai
33 Atlanta : Bring her here to Atlanta! we'll show her some good southern hospitality! She can sit at ATL! Atlanta
34 Slz396 : British Airways should rightfully be outright pissed about this! After all, this plane is still legally theirs (so not only is it a scandal they were
35 American762 : As a New Yorker I'm actually ashamed. Several years ago I visited the aircraft when it was still at the Intrepid in Manhattan. Both the exterior (only
36 Post contains links BlackProjects : Lets all be Nice to the Citizens of Newyork who will be Just as Ashamed of this as every one else. As BA entrusted Concorde Alpha Delta to the Intrepi
37 GST : Thats what they said about the vulcan, another iconic delta design. Not telling the owners is simply the final straw. You dont borrow a friend's car
38 United787 : I love the SIN Concorde. I am surprised that SIN or JAL or Cathay Pacific never bought any Concordes to run SIN-NRT NRT-HKG or SIN-HKG. It seems all o
39 Mirrodie : And yet without NY, Concorde would NOT HAVE EXISTED. NY deserved and still deserves a Concorde. Unfortunately, had if been put at JFK, it would have
40 Post contains links and images FlySSC : The one stored at Paris-ORY is Concorde 02, F-WTSA, a pre-serie Concorde, the "equivalent" of G-AXDN in the U.K. Roll out : Sept. 28 1972 First fligh
41 BlackProjects : The problem with SYD was India and Indonesia having people on every rock under the flight path ithis would have caused a huge diversion and large subs
42 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Not really true : The Soviet Union allowed Concorde quite a few flights at Supersonic speed over Siberia, including an Air France Concorde Flight tak
43 David L : I've only just seen the thread and there do seem to be quite a number of, ahem, "sweeping statements". Bad news, though.
44 Post contains images JAGflyer : When aircraft (especially rare and very historic) ones like this are open to the general public they are very easy targets for mistreatment. People do
45 Standby87 : I see your point and now agree with every word!
46 WestJetYQQ : Shortest rant I ever read. Only New York has forfeited it's right to hold one of these aircraft. Seattle and Washington, DC have both done and contin
47 Post contains images FlySSC : Sad but true ... Look what heppend to F-WTSA at ORY 3 years ago ...
48 RJ777 : I just saw AD not too long ago. They hadn't even opened up the interior. And all the gift shop has about Concorde is a stupid little wind up toy! Come
49 StuckInCA : Oh come on now. North America? The bird in Seattle is being treated better. And what did Mexico and Canada do to get on your bad side?
50 Atlanta : And Boston Atlanta
51 GST : Okay, I withdraw that comment, it was a little rash. But the Concorde, like all historic aricraft, especially those built in such limited numbers nee
52 FlySSC : Boston was never served regularly by Concorde, BA or AF. In North America, AF flew Concorde on CDG-IAD, CDG-JFK, CDG-IAD-MEX, CDG-JFK-MEX. From LHR,
53 Post contains links BlackProjects : Mexico has a Concorde Museum that has parts of a Concorde but not a Complete airframe so it is an interesting Museum to visit if a little Strange? The
54 Post contains links Cumulus : Now this is how it should be done, good on you Barbados!!! http://www.barbadosconcorde.com/
55 MadameConcorde : Can you believe how well this little island nation is taking care of their Concorde? They have certainly done a wonderful job with their museum creati
56 Boeing74741R : BGI has come a long way from looking after their Concorde. At one point it was parked outside for a long time, and the first hangar that got built for
57 Mhodgson : The one in Barbados is fantastic; I've visited it. The staff are all genuinely enthusiastic about having a Concorde of their own.
58 DUALRATED : Wow this is a tough room. While I agree to see pictures of of such a great aircraft in that state are truly sad. I don't think they show the true colo
59 BlackProjects : Once Alpha Delta gets back to the Intrepid she will have a lot of work done on her that needs doing. She will go back as she is with the Intrepid unti
60 MadameConcorde : That would be great but I am afraid it will not happen. They would have taken her right from the very last flight to JFK Where is the money? Who will
61 Bennett123 : I saw Alpha Delta at intrepid in September 2006. at that time it was complete and in reasonable condition. IMO the trouble started at Floyd Bennett.
62 TylerDurden : When you consider all that is happening in the industry in the past six month.--this is Much Ado About Nothing. Looks like a truck hit it since it's
63 BlackProjects : Flloyd Bennet has the NYPD Aviation department on it and a Huge Police Station yet it appears no one Noticed the nose coming off? It would make quite
64 Spacecadet : The uproar is about the fact that there's no guarantee that will happen. The Intrepid refurbishment as a whole is threatened, and that's still going
65 Jacobin777 : Big deal...it wouldn't have any effect.. The Dubai Govt. would pay special attention to get this bird restored and protected. Seeing her condition ma
66 TylerDurden : I knew someone would come up with the worlds tackiest idea..... Maybe they could import a double decker bus, too? In perspective...it's hardly the en
67 MadameConcorde : This is why I mentioned Dubai as one good place for the aircraft to be. She would be with her friend the QE2 and seemingly in good care from the Dubai
68 DUALRATED : Your frustration is understood, I had visions of her ending up in a dumpster after a few years of sitting out of public view (out of site out of mind
69 Readytotaxi : DISGUSTING. SHAMEFUL EMBARRASSING UNWORTHY USA you shine a light on your values. Do something about it NOW!
70 TylerDurden : Yeah...we're all over it. Just hold your breath...won't be a problem.
71 CO777DAL : Damn it! I can't believe I went to Barbados and did not go see the Concorde!!! I'll feel like an idot now. It's like going to Paris and not seeing to
72 Readytotaxi : Funding from where?
73 ABQopsHP : This is indicative of the failure of Americas infrastructure. Look at the roads and bridges in this country.....but I digress. I hope she doesnt sit t
74 BlackProjects : Alpha Echo Is one of the most Spoilt Concordes as she has her own purpose built Hangar with loads of Extras that other museums Just do not have.
75 GDB : I agree it looks like a collision. But, this museum has a contract lasting until 2013, so if they do not rectify and raise their game considerably....
76 TylerDurden : Who mentioned funding? I was being sarcastic. As I mentioned earlier...the restoration of a old airliner is hardly a priority when the industry itself
77 StarGoldLHR : The sad reality is here... BA will inspect the concorde.. issue a bill to Intrepid, for Parts, Labour at double the original cost and that will be the
78 Readytotaxi : Hmm, when someone gives you something to treasure, should not that be the case?
79 TylerDurden : Geez, man...it's just an airplane....not a national treasure. I'm sure it will be fixed in due course. No big deal. Your all caps messge makes you so
80 Readytotaxi : Okay,enjoy "the new ride" We disagree on a point but enjoy your life.
81 MadameConcorde : GDB, I very much appreciate your comments on the situation. You are the one here who knows things first hand about how the aircraft could be recovered
82 David L : That's not really the concern of the museum, though - the aircraft in its care should be its concern.
83 Af773atmsp : This Concorde was the first one I saw and the nose gets ripped off. The inside and outside didn't look bad when I visited.
84 Post contains links and images Atlanta : View Large View MediumPhoto © Rudy Chiarello View Large View MediumPhoto © Rudy Chiarello Sorry the above two pictures are what confused me.
85 BlackProjects : Lets be nice to the Citizens of Newyork who are for the most part unaware that Flloyd Bennet field Exhists. Let alone that Alpha Delta is present. Onl
86 Cumulus : Just been trawling YouTube to see if there was any footage of Alpha Delta, but no. However, did find this cockpit footage of one of the final flights
87 Boeing74741R : If I owned it then I wouldn't want to be putting a single penny in towards repairing it, especially if it wasn't my fault. Therefore I suspect BA wil
88 Post contains links BlackProjects : A video of Concorde Alpha Delta from decmber 2006 at Floyd Bennet field on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNqriRrcKIU Some of the People who
89 Viscount724 : BA also operated LHR-BGI seasonal service.
90 N160LH : Are you serious... You think that just because its an airplane it can't be a national treasure..? So let me ask you this... Do you consider the "Spir
91 GST : An extraordinarily large amount of French and UK citizens would dispute that. Concorde is an enormous source of national pride for the both of us.
92 DocLightning : Aviation museums are the LEAST of the ways the city is letting us down. I drove across the Brooklyn Bridge for the first time in my life. This Nation
93 Post contains images Cumulus : It's based on jealousy!!! We had one, the American's didn't - so there!!! After 3, "and did those feet in ancient times walk upon England's mountains
94 Post contains links BlackProjects : In the UKand France if you whant the Population to get a MIsty look in there eyes you onmly have to mention Concorde"s name and the effect is almost i
95 Mirrodie : I'm glad it only took 47 replies for someone to remember that. Everyone is so quick to slag NY and yet they forgot about F-WTSA. It can happen anywhe
96 Post contains links N160lh : What...? This is the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on this site... and that's saying something... I thinks it's time to put down the wacky
97 BlackProjects : Er wrong aircraft F-WTSA is a museum Bird. F-BTSC was the machine that died due to a peice of TITANIUM falling of an Aluminuim Continental DC-10s wing
98 DUALRATED : Everyone forgets France and the French! Just joshin All NYC bridges are in disarray always have been, always will be. Doesn't mean the US is falling.
99 Post contains links N160LH : http://www.concordesst.com/accident/latest.html Pretty interesting read... Sounds like the French, American and Israelis all had a hand in it... -0LH
100 Mirrodie : I just find it incredulous for any European to speak poorly of the NYers when an AF Concorde was graffitied upon. The NY incident with the nose cone
101 TylerDurden : Oh geez.....No. Not really. And not that one for the US. It's one of many (a dozen or so). It's not unique. It's not the sole, surviving example of a
102 Legoguy : BlackProjects, I believe they are refering to the Concorde with was spray painted with Graffiti, and not the crashed Concorde Lets not forget that th
103 RJ777 : So, has BA found out about this? Have they responded? I'm just wondering if they know?
104 Usair330 : Wow such ashame! Hey I say there is only two options.... Fix her up or give her to someone that will..... Unbelievable something like this would even
105 Lazy8 : It's a shame this happened but as many have said, it will get fixed. If they can scrape up an old Grumman Wildcat from the bottom of Lake Michigan and
106 DUALRATED : While I agree with most of what you have said, I still think that concorde belongs in New York more than any other city in America. Also one question
107 DocLightning : Nothing to do with government. EVERYTHING to do with culture.
108 Francoflier : Saw her twitching her nose, shining her lights, cockpit all lit up and hyd pump purring last winter in her hanger in LFPB, it brought a tear to my ey
109 N160LH : HA HA HA... What a generalization... To bad their isn't a don't respect list... I agree that the Declaration is by far a much more important piece of
110 MadameConcorde : If Singapore took a Concorde, they have all the money in the world, SIA has a top notch engineering base. They would take ultra-super good care and w
111 Francoflier : Tell me about it. Especially when you know how 'close' it is to flying condition. I don't know. I rather like seeing the two of them facing each othe
112 Post contains images Slz396 : Good you mention that one! Just like Concorde, the statue if liberty is a gift from a certain European nation and it isn't unique either, since the o
113 MadameConcorde : You make a good point there. I doubt they will be moved at any time in the future so you are safe! Always a pleasure to see them on my trips to the Pa
114 Slz396 : Actually, allow me to say I disagree on this. The US declaration of Independence is something highly important for Americans only really. Other than
115 MadameConcorde : I like your post. These are the great achievements that make me happy to be my age. I was lucky to even be old enough at the time to really witness th
116 Post contains links Slz396 : Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 115): I like your post Thank you! I certainly didn't want to diminish the value of the US Declaration of Independence (o
117 Post contains links BlackProjects : Singapore did not ask for a CONCORDE to put in a museum the list is as follows. Borrowed from www.concordesst.com. http://concordesst.yuku.com/topic/3
118 MadameConcorde : Much safer there than at the Intrepid more so at Floyd Bennett Field I can assure you. JFK was the only place in NY to keep her. Big mistake on BA not
119 Hypersonic : Careful Now Cumulus.. This outward display of National Pride, might offend some liberal apologiser Ethnic Minority, whilst they shove their culture d
120 VC10 : please use spell checker to over come misty eyes You, should know, that there was no After Burner system on Concorde, however the engines did have a
121 Post contains links BlackProjects : RE-HEAT is the Same thing as an After Burner VC10 it does exactly the same thing just a diferent name for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterburner
122 VC10 : I was just pointing out that you will not find on Concorde a single switch, warning light, or reference to "After Burner" , but you will find Reheat
123 Jariarkko : Question: Can the Concorde be viewed at Bennett field? When is the field open? Is this a part of the hangar that houses aircraft restoration projects?
124 Post contains links Moose135 : Yes, it can be viewed at Floyd Bennett Field. It is out in the open, in front of the "Aviator" sports complex. While I wouldn't necessarily recommend
125 Maxisno1 : Yes, it is like a treasure there. What a shame that this happened. Truly unacceptable, although mishaps happen, you can not justify keeping the Conco
126 Luv2cattlecall : What's a CoA? Thanks
127 BlackProjects : Cetificate of Air Worthiness = C of A if you do not have one for your Aircraft it stays on the Ground short of applying for a permit to fly such as th
128 Post contains images Smeg : Certificate of Airworthiness. a/c are not allowed to fly without them. Bit like an MOT for a plane. Cheers Edited because BlackProjects beat me to it
129 Spacecadet : And the question was whether the Concorde is a NATIONAL treasure. The nation in question being the United States. On this one point, I agree with Tyl
130 N160LH : Well first off - US declaration effects a lot more than just Americans... Next time you enjoy a McDonald's, a Coke Cola, or hell the time you sit in
131 GDB : OK, this is how it is now. The Intrepid Museum contracted out looking after OAD at that field, there was a fence surrounding the area which should hav
132 ClassicLover : Hopefully not a protective coating like the one given to the VC10s when they were stored from 1981...
133 BlackProjects : Is that VC-10 coating simialr to the one used on the B-29 at Duxford that required Power tools to get it off? If it is a Clear Laquer put on over the
134 GST : and maybye the birds will slip off and down the punters necks too
135 Lazy8 : Air France Concorde F-BVFA is on display at the National Air & Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center (otherwise known as the NASM annex) located
136 BlackProjects : i so hope so Birds soon learn whats not a good place to stand and what is. One thing that needs doing to AD is filling in the Intakes as that hollow t
137 GST : I think the russians did some cool lighting in one of the concordeski's to make the engines look alive inside...
138 DUALRATED : Ahh ...you learn something everyday, thanks for the info.
139 TylerDurden : We are talking about a specific plane in the United States. Are we not? At least that's the conversation I'm having. I could care less if your countr
140 Jariarkko : Ah, thanks. I can actually see her on Google maps. I'll see if I can pay a visit while I'm in New York for one more day...
141 Post contains images Moose135 : Just to correct something I wrote earlier - I stopped down at FBF this afternoon, and the HARP hangar is open on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday after
142 DUALRATED : She still looks sweet....... Even with a busted nose
143 BlackProjects : Aviator people didnt help the truck driver while he was backing his truck towards an Aircraft ?!? Are they Stupid or What in The UK you all ways try a
144 Haggis79 : your Concorde or your democracy or both?
145 BlackProjects : it will get fixed and the Truck driver will get Fixed and Fired Once the Truck Company gets the Bill from the Musem and British Airway"s for the Repai
146 Cumulus : Just read in the paper today a French Judge ordered a hearing, accusing 5 with Involuntary Manslaughter re the Concorde crash which also involves Con
147 BlackProjects : It whont be Dollars it will be Euros and the French Legal System is more Cut and dried the Facts will be Displayed and the Guilty will get sorted out.
148 David L : Except that would be F-BTSC, not F-WTSA, wouldn't it? This is what happened to F-WTSA:
149 BlackProjects : F-BTSC was the machine that died in Paris. F-WTSA is still in one peice at Museum Delta which is on the border of Orley Airport Paris.
150 DUALRATED : Dude have you ever been to NYC?
151 Post contains images DUALRATED : That reminds me Happy 4th of July
152 BlackProjects : Yes and I have seen the Stupid things that happen and wonderd how people got to Drive a car or Taxi let alone a truck. Taxi drivers in Newyork never c
153 DUALRATED : Thats what I'm saying, we are all lucky the stupid driver didn't do worse!
154 BlackProjects : In the next few days the Story of Alpha Deltas nose will finnaly hit the news in Newyork and with the news of the French trial in a two to three month
155 Osiris30 : Little we may be, second-class we aren't We know what she means, and it's an honor to have one. And trust me on this, people were genuinely pissed of
156 BlackProjects : It appears i missed this. From New York times A Concorde Is Disfigured While Parked in Brooklyn By PATRICK McGEEHAN Published: July 7, 2008 The supers
157 MadameConcorde : If I owned a Concorde radome there is not the shadow of a chance that I would resell it to B.A. even less sell it to Intrepid Museum.
158 Post contains links BlackProjects : A link to the Story on line. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/ny...ES%20NOSE%20OFF&st=cse&oref=slogin Other people will sell there nose radomes or ev
159 EGTESkyGod : I would have replied earlier, however I had some membership issues that have now been sorted... hurrah! I have to say I am extremely disappointed that
160 Leezyjet : So AF management are also being accused too then ?. It was their staff that loaded extra luggage onto the a/c, their crew who loaded extra fuel on an
161 BlackProjects : A saying comes to mind from a Dutch man i know (SHIT HAPPENS) Nice to see your still hear Leezy.
162 Post contains links BigPhilNYC : I would like to let you folks know that NYCAviation has contacted various appropriate parties to volunteer to help restore and preserve Alpha Delta. Y
163 BigPhilNYC : I would also like to say that, upon reviewing the thread, how insulting and sad it is that others would generalize the entire City of New York, or eve
164 BlackProjects : The New Owners of Aviator have woken up to the fact that they have a peice of Aviation history on there Site that they have allowed to Injured and als
165 Post contains links Glbltrvlr : The story made the UK papers this morning: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ft-from-UK-to-rot-in-airfield.html
166 David L : Don't worry, we're not all as indiscriminate.
167 Mirrodie : Finally, a bit of good sense. JFK would be the place to have any Concorde. As always, thanks GDB, as I know you are very knowledgeable on this very s
168 TylerDurden : Mai Oui! But what else could you possibly sit on to look down on the rest of us!! No. But maybe the Brits will forgive us if we told 'em we did it to
169 GDB : Hello Mirrodie, I don't imagine JFK would want an over 200 foot long, effectively inert structure parked where either a revenue aircraft, or a car par
170 Post contains images DUALRATED : This is where Concorde belongs (Main entrance to JFK) Somewhere in this area would be nice...in an elevated....enclosed lighted glass structure.
171 Mirrodie : Actually they do have a FEDEX 727 onsite that is inert. I like Dual-rated's idea.
172 BritPilot777 : Just a quick note, engineers are heading out to New York to assess the damage to the nose. "ENGINEERS will travel to New York to assess damage to a Co
173 GDB : In the past I grant you, now the way things are, I just don't see major airports really being in to this sort of thing. Security, congestion, all that
174 LH423 : Oh please master. Let us keep our Concordes. We beg of you. I mean, look at how BGI screwed up. After all, they're in North America too. BOS was neve
175 DUALRATED : I don't see why that can't be done. there is parking and lot's of space, it's not like hundreds are going to be there at one time. build a overhead c
176 Cumulus : Obviously, sarcasm isn't one of your better qualities.
177 AvObserver : I'm in total empathy with British and French citizens who'd like to see all Concordes not on their home turf to be returned there; after all it was th
178 Mirrodie : For shame Interpid museum? Have you read anything above? The Aviator Complex is responsible for this.
179 GDB : At the end of the day, BA still own these aircraft. So where they are placed is up to them and them only. They are very aware of the iconic status of
180 StarGoldLHR : BA should sell GBOAD to the highest bidder. Even today this aircraft would raise at least a £10mn tidy sum, it is after all Concorde, and still a mon
181 STT757 : The Concorde should be incorporated into an entrance to JFK airport, the Port Authority would take good care of her.
182 Spacecadet : What makes people think this?? What else has the PA taken particularly good care of? Not to mention that the only entrance to JFK where you'd be able
183 STT757 : Ride the NYC Subway, then ride the PATH and tell me the difference.
184 Spacecadet : I'm a little puzzled by this comparison. I ride both frequently, and there's no great difference between them other than the PATH being a much smalle
185 STT757 : The lack of scratchetti (or whatever it's called), much cleaner stations etc..
186 David L : A bit of an icon, then. Why? For a few quick bucks, relative to annual profits, rather than continued PR value? Can you imagine what McDonalds or Yah
187 GDB : I afraid that JFK would not take better care of G-BOAD, since as stated, they showed no interest in having one when BA spent 6 months evaluating poten
188 Post contains links BlackProjects : Alpha Echo is rite where she will get the most visitors as Barbados gets Cruise ships galore and hoardes of visitors can visit AE on a regular basis c
189 Mirrodie : Well said. Update: Some members of a local NY aviation website have made a commitment to keep an eye on AD. They will be in contact with the Intrepid
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