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BD Intl Flights To/from North America To UK.  
User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4905 times:

Does anyone know where in North America does BD have service? I only know of LAS LGW which operates every other day (I think). What are their loads like? I heard from a friend whom traveled on them and have mention that they are the US version of U.S. Airways in term of service. Is that true or is my friend bashing BD?

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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1834 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4894 times:

bmi only flies to Las Vegas from Manchester twice a week.
It also flies to Chicago ORD form Manchester daily.

It uses Airbus A330-200 on these two routes!

Carfield


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4883 times:



Quoting Carfield (Reply 1):
bmi only flies to Las Vegas from Manchester twice a week.
It also flies to Chicago ORD form Manchester daily

BMI service from Las Vegas is 3x per week:

BD751 MAN 0950 LAS 1230
Tue Thu Sun

BD752 LAS 1455 MAN 0855 +1
Tue Thu Sun


User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

Thanks everyone for your input. BD's website is not very clear on their routes.

One more question, what is the longest route in BD's system?


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6604 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4762 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 3):
One more question, what is the longest route in BD's system?

MAN-LAS, about 5100 miles.

You can download a timetable from this page on their website.

http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/plan...flight-information/timetables.aspx



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4688 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

While they only offer a buy-on-board service on short-haul routes, so does AA. To say that they are the equivalent to US Airways is grossly unfair. Their service on long-haul is legendary; and before they dropped it (due to poor loads) the six weekly MAN-IAD flight was CONSITENTLY voted the best flight across the Atlantic with any airline on any route; and reports from people who have flown them long-haul, in any cabin, is overwhelmingly glowing.

Just so you know, LAS-LGW is actually VS...



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4676 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Thread starter):
I heard from a friend whom traveled on them and have mention that they are the US version of U.S. Airways in term of service.

Nope, they are nothing of the sort (although I assume you meant the UK version), and US Airways comes nothing near that of BMI.
I'm not quite sure how you have difficulty in determining their routes from the website though.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

Since this thread covers North America, must also mention MAN-BGI/St Lucia/Antigua


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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

BD's 3 A330 fly

London Heathrow to

Jeddah
Riyadh/Dammam

Manchester to

Antigua
Barbados
Chicago
Las Vegas
St Lucia

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4123 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
I'm not quite sure how you have difficulty in determining their routes from the website though



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
Just so you know, LAS-LGW is actually VS...

I think that's the answer right there. I have been looking for the wrong city pair....


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3936 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Thread starter):
I heard from a friend whom traveled on them and have mention that they are the US version of U.S. Airways in term of service.

On short haul services it is a pay on board service for meals and drinks in Economy... BUT if you are BMI Diamond club member (Their FF Program) and achieved 3000 miles or more to achieve Blue Plus membership you are entitled to Free Drinks and Snacks on Domestic and European Services...

I doubt US Airways offer that!

I am unsure if this is offered to Star Alliance FF members of similar levels!


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3912 times:
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I hope BMI starts LHR to USA service in 2009. Now with OPen Skies why it still does the Manchester thing is beyond me. LHR to LAS Vegas sounds great to me.

User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3884 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 3):
. BD's website is not very clear on their routes.

That sounds like BMI... they shuffle their aircraft and routes almost daily sometimes.. its hard to consider BMI as an airline, more over a taxi-line.. as you never quite know how long they will hold onto a route.

As for the US.. at least this was a good decision.. not entering this market, just as the UK enters a recession and the US is already in one.. is quite smart.. one that will save them money for the future.. AF/BA etc must be hurting this summer !!!



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3755 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
with OPen Skies why it still does the Manchester thing is beyond me.

I think the MAN-USA routes do very well for bmi, especially ORD. If it's profitable, why drop it to enter a market in LHR-USA that will take a lot of time, effort and investment to become profitable? Airlines need cash cows in the current market especially



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3704 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):
On short haul services it is a pay on board service for meals and drinks in Economy... BUT if you are BMI Diamond club member (Their FF Program) and achieved 3000 miles or more to achieve Blue Plus membership you are entitled to Free Drinks and Snacks on Domestic and European Services...

I doubt US Airways offer that!

I am unsure if this is offered to Star Alliance FF members of similar levels!

This is only offered to Diamond club members.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
why it still does the Manchester thing is beyond me.

Because it's profitable. Bmi have built a niche on MAN ORD, with steady loads, and good feed into the United hub in Chicago. Bmi should focus more on MAN IMHO - and reduce dependence on Heathrow.



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3685 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
Because it's profitable. Bmi have built a niche on MAN ORD, with steady loads, and good feed into the United hub in Chicago. Bmi should focus more on MAN IMHO - and reduce dependence on Heathrow

I agree. And I also think that BD should order more A330s and open up more routes from MAN. I think the following could all work...

Bangkok
Delhi
Islamabad
Johannesburg
Los Angeles
Mumbai
New York JFK
Orlando
San Francisco
Toronto
Vancouver
Washington

Most of them are Star Alliance hubs anyway so a lot of passengers could connect onto onward flights. JNB, LAX, SFO & YVR I think would definately work, as a lot of pax transfer onto these flights at LHR with BA, which is why they departed from T1 (to connect with the domestic flights)


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3671 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 15):
Most of them are Star Alliance hubs anyway so a lot of passengers could connect onto onward flights. JNB, LAX, SFO & YVR I think would definately work, as a lot of pax transfer onto these flights at LHR with BA, which is why they departed from T1 (to connect with the domestic flights)

And they can do this without strong BA competition.



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User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3563 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):
On short haul services it is a pay on board service for meals and drinks in Economy

not on bmi regional, drinks are complimentary

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 12):
That sounds like BMI... they shuffle their aircraft and routes almost daily sometimes

tell me about it, MAN-LHR the other week was on an EMB145! WTF


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3443 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 16):
And they can do this without strong BA competition.

True, and even if BD did want to open up more long-haul routes from LHR...

1) Where would they get the slots from?

2) Where would they want to fly to? Surely routes to America have too much competition from other airlines?


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
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Quoting 8herveg (Reply 18):
True, and even if BD did want to open up more long-haul routes from LHR...

1) Where would they get the slots from?

Their own domestic and European network would get slightly pruned

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 18):
2) Where would they want to fly to?

Perhaps JFK? Otherwise perhaps something like LAS? I'd imagine that UA and US might want them to unserved markets.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3301 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Now with OPen Skies why it still does the Manchester thing is beyond me.

Very true. Why AY bothers with HEL and why LX stays at ZRH is beyond me too when they've got the slots to launch from LHR.


User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3293 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):
if you are BMI Diamond club member (Their FF Program) and achieved 3000 miles or more to achieve Blue Plus membership you are entitled to Free Drinks and Snacks on Domestic and European Services...

How generous Big grin


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3234 times:



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
Their service on long-haul is legendary; and before they dropped it (due to poor loads) the six weekly MAN-IAD flight was CONSITENTLY voted the best flight across the Atlantic with any airline on any route

Was it?

They used a leased 757 with a different config inside to the standard fleet. People were complaining about it, hence it stopped cause no one wanted to use it, even if it was convenient


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3192 times:



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 17):
tell me about it, MAN-LHR the other week was on an EMB145! WTF

The EMB has been operating MAN-LHR in off peak and SAT AM's for a few years now


User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3151 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 19):
Perhaps JFK?

According to the Aug08 edition of airliner world magazine BMI are holding off from NYC due to lack of *A partner hub to feed into there... guess that means they're waiting for CO to move to *A first

Same article also talked about BMI's expansion from LHR into the middle-east after the BMED aquisition - seems to be a smart move (for now) rather than getting all tied up fighting for LHR transatlantic traffic with limited aircraft to operate those routes yet and strong competition post open-skies.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 15):
BD should order more A330s and open up more routes from MAN

absolutely - steady long-haul growth at MAN could work as a BMI hub. The regional BMI services (i.e. GLA, EDI etc) already feed into MAN to support exisiting long-haul flights plus MAN has huge metropolitain catchment area (cities to name a few: Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield) to offer an alternative to making the trip down to LHR for certain long haul routes with connection into other *A hubs east and west bound, catering for both the business traveller and the lesiure traffic. It'll never be LHR in terms of routes but there's got to be some room for expansion.


25 Post contains links Jamesontheroad : Don't forget that BD also have a number of codeshares with UA and AC. It's often worth checking BD's website when planning an ex-UK trip on UA or AC,
26 8herveg : Think he meant when the A330 was flying the route. There must be enough O&D traffic between LON & NYC to allow for this route though...plus, BD have
27 JER757 : If the loads don't fill an Airbus, why operate it on the route? Late night/weekend loads between LON & MAN are often very low - BA's last MAN-LGW fli
28 AirNZ : What difference does it matter what a/c is used, when it correctly should indeed be utilised according to the damand/LF at any particular time? If ei
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