Warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7211 times:
It looks like the Delta-NW merger will eventually go through. As an elite member with NW for many years I was wondering what can't Delta lets NW keep it's seperate brand identity as per Air France-KLM. They are making decent profits while keeping KLM passengers happy and satisfied.
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
I think what DL and NW were looking for was a full out merger. Delta seems to be the top dog in the merger which i think is good, they can bring a lot to NW like IFE (i still don't understand how they have no IFE although it doesnt seem to be hurting them) along with great management.
Misbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7027 times:
With AF & KL, there were a bunch of issues that aren't applicable to the DL & NW deal, specifically because AF and KL are registered in different countries. In addition to bilateral issues (would a French airline be alowed to use a Dutch airline's rights?) there was also the need to maintain each carrier's separate national identity.
Brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6903 times:
Why would NW keep its name? They were essentially bought out by DL. If you hadn't noticed the headquarters of the airline is in Atlanta not Minneapolis. There is a certain reputation NW has in DTW that it is not a great airline. In my experience NW has been less then stellar at their customer service and in talking with several people who fly it regularly they concur. My last flight with them and I hope it is my last flight with NW was one of the worst experiences I have had with an airline. This was not the first time I have had bad service with NW. I hope it will be my last. It is sad to think in a country which prides itself on its competitive nature that this kind of bad service still exists.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4844 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6708 times:
The only instances of the acquiring airline taking the name of the acquired airline that I can remember offhand was Texas International/Continental and ValuJet/AirTran. Those two situations being much different than the DL/NW tie-up, which is more of a proper merger than an outright acquisition, but the DL folks are in the driver's seat nonetheless.
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6662 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6684 times:
Quoting Warren747sp (Thread starter): It looks like the Delta-NW merger will eventually go through. As an elite member with NW for many years I was wondering what can't Delta lets NW keep it's seperate brand identity as per Air France-KLM. They are making decent profits while keeping KLM passengers happy and satisfied
Hope I do not sound harsh, but those who run NW are not like you, their loyalty is to the shareholders, they could care less about the airline and its loyal travellers, if DL offers them shares in a farm which provides greater share value than the airline they will take that and be done with it. Shareholders are in it for the money obtained from the value of their shares, what it is invested in as long as it is leagal is of no concern.
My opinion, and not those of this web site, its owners or subsidiaries.
A company called Texas Air owned Continental and Eastern. Frank Lorenzo ran Texas Air.
The two airlines took their marching orders from Texas Air.
Actually, Lorenzo was an investor in a company called Jet Capital, which in 1972 acquired a controlling interest in Texas International, from which the Texas Air empire was built. The Texas Air Holding Company was set up in 1980 as a vehicle for acquisition. So your are correct technically, but Texas International was the springboard.
Value-jet bought a small airline called airTran and used their name. The name Value-jet went away.
It was ValuJet, not Value-jet. And that was simply a maneuver to do away with a media-sullied name brought about by the Everglades crash, which incidentally, VJ was found not to be directly responsible for.
Contributing to the accident, the Board found, was the failure of the FAA to adequately monitor ValuJet’s heavy maintenance program and responsibilities, including ValuJet’s oversight of its contractors, and SabreTech’s repair station certificate; the failure of the FAA to adequately respond to earlier chemical oxygen generator fires with programs to address the potential hazards they posed (the Board cited 6 cases in the 10 years before the ValuJet accident involving fires caused by oxygen generators); and the failure of ValuJet to ensure that both ValuJet and contract maintenance employees were aware of the airline’s "no-carry" hazardous materials policy and had received appropriate hazardous materials training.
The expired oxygen generators had been removed from three ValuJet MD-80 aircraft undergoing maintenance at SabreTech. The Board’s investigation revealed that, although many of the SabreTech mechanics who removed the generators understood the danger they could pose, the generators were nevertheless delivered to SabreTech’s shipping and receiving department without communicating what the items were, or that they were hazardous. Rather than dispose of the generators properly or at least fit them with safety caps designed to prevent their accidental activation, they were boxed up and sent to ValuJet in order to clean up the maintenance area in preparation for a visit by a prospective customer. In addition, they were incorrectly labeled "Oxy Generators - Empty."
The Safety Board concluded that the lack of a formal system in SabreTech’s shipping and receiving department, including procedures for tracking the handling and disposition of hazardous materials, contributed to the improper transportation of the generators aboard flight 592.
ValuJet, for its part, did not oversee SabreTech adequately, the Board said. Had it ensured that SabreTech’s employees were trained on the company’s lack of authority to transport hazardous materials and had received hazardous materials recognition training, SabreTech might not have mishandled the packaging and shipment of the oxygen generators.
The Board also cited the FAA’s failure to require smoke detection and fire suppression systems in Class D cargo holds, despite recommendations the NTSB issued in 1988, following a fire in the cargo hold of an American Airlines DC-9 in Nashville, Tennessee. Because of the FAA’s continued assertions that retrofitting the more than 2,500 airliners in the U.S. that had such cargo compartments would not be justified on a cost/benefit basis, those recommendations were closed "Unacceptable Action" by the Board in 1993.
In its final report today, the Board concluded, "Had the FAA required fire/smoke detection and and/or fire extinguishment systems in Class D cargo compartments, as the Safety Board recommended in 1988, ValuJet flight 592 would likely not have crashed."
It seems there was plenty of blame to go around, with the FAA and SabreTech as well as ValuJet's maintenance oversight procedures. It was however, SabreTech which was held criminally liable. But to put the entire blame, and thus "responsibility" on ValuJet is as oversimplified as my initial statement was. I am "allowed" however to make any statement I want provided it falls within the forum rules. Now....back to the topic at hand.
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: All the debate about past mergers, and which airline name survived misses the OP's point. His question is why NW and DL can't keep their separate iden
: And this is exhibit A of why the industry is in such low esteem these days. -Mir
: Well, think the reason that KLM is a spearate entity is that there is some national identity associated with KLM. That isnt true with NW. Also It mig
: Letting them keep their brand is both pointless and expensive. NS
: Good post. I'm sure you will get flamed but I think sometimes people forget the airlines are a business and they have to do what is best for the Shar
: The fact that most people equate fault with responsibility is pretty sad. Being SabreTech's fault didn't relieve ValueJet of the responsibility to op
: The only merger that I can think of where the purchasing company changes its name to the company they were buying was TexasAir That airline and Contin
: When US was takeover...merged with HP they retained the name US. I know this was not a popular statement but show me again how US took over HP and wo
: Unfortunately the US Air/Airways branding came/comes with a very tarnished image. An image that not even America West Airlines management is able to
: I wish it remained NW, since they have more history, I like the name a lot more and NW is the oldest carrier.