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DL/NW Post-merger 757-200 Configs/amenities  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

With Delta and Northwest merging, I was wondering about the 757-200s. Delta operates currently operates four different configurations (not counting the ex-ATA birds), soon to be reduced to three after the remaining ex-TWA ETOPS aircraft are converted to the international config with BusinessElite seats. NW also operates four different 752 layouts, two of which are domestic and two of which are international.

I was wondering about this, as after Delta and Northwest merge, they will have a total of seven different layouts for their 752s. This seems to be a bit too confusing.

Perhaps NW's domestic 5600 series 752s can be converted to match either the standard DL 752 layout or the Transcon 752 layout. I also wouldn't be surprised if Delta added IFE back to these aircraft, either overhead LCDs or AVOD PTVs at every seat. Of course, Delta should also install the overhead bin extensions like what most of DL's 757 have.

The NW 5500 series 757s have the same layout as Delta's ex-TWA ETOPS 757s, however, the NW 5500 series are not ETOPS-rated, so it would be rather costly for Delta to convert them to international configuration as they would need to be ETOPSed. Either Delta might simply leave the configuration alone and add IFE and overhead bin extensions and new PSUs, or Delta might simply eliminate the 5500 series.

For the NW international 5600 series 752 fleet, perhaps they can be all converted to the Atlantic layout with 60" pitch in WBC/BusinessElite. And of course, Delta might also add AVOD PTVs and overhead bin extensions.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?


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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3337 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Perhaps NW's domestic 5600 series 752s can be converted to match either the standard DL 752 layout or the Transcon 752 layout. I also wouldn't be surprised if Delta added IFE back to these aircraft, either overhead LCDs or AVOD PTVs at every seat. Of course, Delta should also install the overhead bin extensions like what most of DL's 757 have.

I think the 752s that won't be used on international routes will be converted to DL's 752s with AVOD in every seat. In the beginning maybe they would install overhead LCDs until AVOD could be installed but I'm guessing that they will just put in AVOD and the new leather seats to "rebrand" the inside to have a consistent DL look.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
For the NW international 5600 series 752 fleet, perhaps they can be all converted to the Atlantic layout with 60" pitch in WBC/BusinessElite. And of course, Delta might also add AVOD PTVs and overhead bin extensions.

I'm guessing the NW 752s already set up for international flights will remain with WBC seats until they are scheduled for a repaint or significant down time that will allow them to install DL interiors and repaint them.


User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Does anyone know why there are 2 different 757 configurations with 2 differty type of door layouts? (one has 8 doors, and 1 has 6 doors, with 4 over the wing exits).

Can both different type of ETOPS certified, or only one of the 2?

Thanks.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3303 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 1):
I think the 752s that won't be used on international routes will be converted to DL's 752s with AVOD in every seat. In the beginning maybe they would install overhead LCDs until AVOD could be installed but I'm guessing that they will just put in AVOD and the new leather seats to "rebrand" the inside to have a consistent DL look.

So, I guess this can be done for NW's domestic 5600 series 752s. However, what about the older 5500 series? They have a different exit layout (the same layout as Delta's ex-TWA aircraft), however, they are not ETOPS. Will Delta install AVOD in these aircraft? Since these aircraft are older, maybe Delta will just install overhead LCDs. Keep in mind that while the old CRT screens were removed, the wiring for the IFE system still remains intact.

And of course, most likely the the 757-300s will get AVOD at every seat.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3295 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 2):
Can both different type of ETOPS certified, or only one of the 2?

Both of them can be ETOPSed. Delta's ex-TWA 757s are ETOPS and have the four pairs of doors, while NW's ETOPS 757s (and DL's ex-ATA ETOPS 757s to Hawaii) have the three pairs of doors and two pairs of overwing exits. The exit layout is meaningless for ETOPS certification.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3286 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
And of course, most likely the the 757-300s will get AVOD at every seat.

Based upon what? Your hopes and dreams about IFE? It sure would be nice, but I wouldn't bank on it unless DL wants to put them on some Transcons ex-ATL.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3273 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 5):
Based upon what? Your hopes and dreams about IFE? It sure would be nice, but I wouldn't bank on it unless DL wants to put them on some Transcons ex-ATL.

I am pretty sure that is what Delta is planning. The NW 753s are also used to Hawaii, so it would be nice to have AVOD on these routes. NW's 753s serve a similar purpose to NW as DL's domestic 763s serve to DL, so it would make sense to install AVOD on the 753s.



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User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Well, are the life rafts apart of the door exit slides, or do both versions have life rafts in ceiling compartments that must be positioned in the event of a ditching?

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3166 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
So, I guess this can be done for NW's domestic 5600 series 752s. However, what about the older 5500 series?

I forgot those were older, I guess they could use the CRTs or LCDs from the other 757s being updated with AVOD and put them into the older 757s if they are planning on retiring those sooner, if not they they may be upgraded with AVOD but with a different layout.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 5):
Based upon what? Your hopes and dreams about IFE? It sure would be nice, but I wouldn't bank on it unless DL wants to put them on some Transcons ex-ATL.



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
I am pretty sure that is what Delta is planning. The NW 753s are also used to Hawaii, so it would be nice to have AVOD on these routes. NW's 753s serve a similar purpose to NW as DL's domestic 763s serve to DL, so it would make sense to install AVOD on the 753s.

The 753s will definitely get AVOD, they are usually used on Hawaii flights and DL could even move them to be used on routes to replace 767s, something like SAN-ATL where they may need a 767 somewhere else and could use the 753 instead. Even if they remain on Hawaii flights DL will upgrade them to AVOD due alone to how long the flights are, if DL is upgrading 752s then they will upgrade the 753s.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Interesting possibilities:
  • The Panasonic/MAS system with Airshow from Delta's 737-800s, featuring the drop-down LCDs. The system has been replaced by the Panasonic eFX AVOD system on the 737-800s with winglets. If Delta still has the old systems stored somewhere, this would be a good chance to recycle it.
  • The Sony Transcom system from the ex-TWA 757s, also featuring drop-down LCDs (but no Airshow). This system is in the process of being replaced by the Panasonic eFX AVOD. Another good possibility of recycling an old IFE system.
  • The system on NW's 757-300s, also using drop-down LCDs. Since the 757-300s are likely to get the Panasonic eFX AVOD system, perhaps the system from the NW 753s might be recycled for NW's 5500 series 752s.

    [Edited 2008-07-03 15:34:21]


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    User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
    Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3114 times:



    Quoting USAFDO (Reply 2):
    Does anyone know why there are 2 different 757 configurations with 2 differty type of door layouts? (one has 8 doors, and 1 has 6 doors, with 4 over the wing exits).

    Can both different type of ETOPS certified, or only one of the 2?

    The exit configuration has to do with how many passengers the aircraft can hold. If you have the four-door configuration, you can seat more passengers. Normally it isn't an issue, however, since neither DL nor NW run up against the limits - that's normally reserved for carriers that would fit their 752s with an all-economy sardine-can configuration.

    Either can be ETOPS-certified.

    -Mir



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    User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5640 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

    Just a hunch, but I have a feeling we will see some 752s disappear after the merger -- and they will probably be NW 5500 birds.

    I don't think the merged airline is going to be looking to grow domestically, and only later 757s that can be uprated to the 255k MTOW are of any use internationally.


    User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3023 times:



    Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
    The system on NW's 757-300s, also using drop-down LCDs. Since the 757-300s are likely to get the Panasonic eFX AVOD system, perhaps the system from the NW 753s might be recycled for NW's 5500 series 752s.

    Hmm good idea i didn't think about that.

    Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 11):
    Just a hunch, but I have a feeling we will see some 752s disappear after the merger -- and they will probably be NW 5500 birds.

    I don't think the merged airline is going to be looking to grow domestically, and only later 757s that can be uprated to the 255k MTOW are of any use internationally.

    Ya i see the older 757s going along with some of the older DC-9s and older DL jets. This is really a good time for the airline to dump older jets to have a more fuel efficient modern fleet.


    User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3008 times:



    Quoting DL767captain (Reply 1):
    I'm guessing the NW 752s already set up for international flights will remain with WBC seats until they are scheduled for a repaint or significant down time that will allow them to install DL interiors and repaint them.

    If I'm not mistaken- NW's transatlantic 757's and DL's BusinessElite 757's have the same business class seats- just with different covers and IFE. Both are Recaro's, are they not? I imagine, though do not know, that they could redo the NW's seats wtihtout too much cost.

    I do think that all current NW 757's (except the oldest, which could leave the fleet) will receive AVOD, slimline seats, new overhead bins and walls, carpet, and the faux wood flooring in the lavs. And frankly, as one who often flies NW 757's out of Seattle, I will be very happy.


    User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
    Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

    Newer aircraft will get Delta interiors.

    Exit doors have nothing to do with whether an a/c can fly over the ocean.

    753s will be domestic people-haulers and will get PTVs.



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    User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2957 times:



    Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 14):
    753s will be domestic people-haulers and will get PTVs.

    Would not be surprised in the least to see those 757-300s on a lot of former 767-300 routes that were downgraded after the 4 767s left the fleet for HA and the 8 767-300 ERs that were domestic-configured went to international configs. Wouldn't be shocked seeing these planes mostly doing Florida and West Coast turns.


    User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

    Are the rafts stored in the ceilings, or in other locations?

    User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2916 times:



    Quoting Jrlander (Reply 13):
    If I'm not mistaken- NW's transatlantic 757's and DL's BusinessElite 757's have the same business class seats- just with different covers and IFE. Both are Recaro's, are they not? I imagine, though do not know, that they could redo the NW's seats wtihtout too much cost.

    Oh you might be right, i forgot about that but i seem to remember the seats were almost identical but different colors and the IFE was pretty similar just with NW colors and logo which i'm sure could be reprogrammed pretty easily. If anything they could just rebrand the inside, as in just the logos, to get people to start recognizing the DL brand

    Quoting Jrlander (Reply 13):
    limline seats, new overhead bins and walls, carpet, and the faux wood flooring in the lavs.

    Yes the slimline seats will be very nice, the faux wood flooring i think is an extremely nice touch


    User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2875 times:



    Quoting DL767captain (Reply 17):
    the IFE was pretty similar

    Well- not really. The NW planes have a personal IFE device that is put into a holder. BUT- I think the seats could be retrofitted with a system like that which is in the DL birds.


    User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6588 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2655 times:



    Quoting Jrlander (Reply 18):
    Well- not really. The NW planes have a personal IFE device that is put into a holder. BUT- I think the seats could be retrofitted with a system like that which is in the DL birds.

    Sorry to bump, but does anyone know who makes the system for the NW WBC seats on the 757s? I know that the NW A330s use the Panasonic 3000i system in both cabins. All of Delta's AVOD aircraft use the Panasonic eFX system, except for the 777-200LRs which uses the Panasonic eX2 (a version of the eFX with greater storage capacity designed exclusively for widebody aircraft).



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