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V Australia Announces 2nd Pacific Route - LAX/BNE  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24736 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9975 times:

Been in the making for a while, but finally announced.

Quote:
Australia Announces Second Trans-Pacific Route Direct Los Angeles - Brisbane

BRISBANE, Australia, July 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Australia's newest international airline, V Australia, has announced it will launch non-stop flights between Los Angeles and Brisbane, Queensland Australia, from early next year giving American travelers direct access to Australia's renowned 'Sunshine State'. Queensland is home to some of the world's most extraordinary natural wonders including The Great Barrier Reef and the heritage-listed Daintree Rainforest.

Los Angeles-Brisbane is the second route to be announced for V Australia which will take off on its inaugural flight between Los Angeles and Sydney on December 15, 2008*.

V Australia will launch three flights a week between Los Angeles and Brisbane from March 1, 2009*. The carrier will operate Boeing 777-300ER aircraft configured to a three class cabin offering International Business Class, International Premium Economy Class and International Economy class.

Story;
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080703/lnth501.html?.v=4


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

horray!

A choice at last!


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7481 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

Another carrier with another route for the extremely large and extremely LAX-Australia market! Hooray for Virgin Australia!!!!!!!


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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9877 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
Another carrier with another route for the extremely large and extremely LAX-Australia market! Hooray for Virgin Australia!!!!!!!

Just goes to show the interest the Aussies have in our So Cal life...  biggrin 

on the flip side

Just goes to show the interest the So Cal's have in the grand life known as Australia... bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9864 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 3):
Just goes to show the interest the Aussies have in our So Cal life...

on the flip side

Just goes to show the interest the So Cal's have in the grand life known as Australia...

Yeah to two do go hand in hand in a lot of ways.... sin cities? hehe


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4798 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9837 times:

Was always the most likely 2nd flight.
Good to see though!



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User currently offlineN787ZZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Anyone know what the current status of V Australia's 777-300ER's?  Confused

Are they coming to SFOBig grin


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9679 times:



Quoting N787ZZ (Reply 6):
Anyone know what the current status of V Australia's 777-300ER's?

Being built! First one is due for delivery in SEP.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

Have you seen the BC prices? So much for keeping the bastards honest, just get in there and gouge. Having said that, if they can get the prices up front more luck to them.

User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Always thought UA should send their SFO, UA870, flight up to BNE after arriving in SYD. At least despite the one stop there would have been a choice. But with UA downgrading that is now never going to happen, so can only applaud V-Aus for launching service, direct BNE-LAX to compete against QF.

Before the price of oil increasing to where it is now I always thought DL was a chance to start LAX-BNE, again though that is probably as unlikely as ever.

[Edited 2008-07-03 23:09:50]


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8256 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9153 times:
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Does any one have a seat map of the V Australia 77W ?

User currently offlineOnedude From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8582 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Does any one have a seat map of the V Australia 77W ?

No - and a lot of people will argue (REAL DEAL!) that not providing the dymamics of the product on their website, or even showing a simple seat configuration, is hurting forward bookings.

For economy, it shouldn't be an issue. But for Premium Economy or Business, I would like to know more before forking out for some very steep prices.

Anyone else got any further insight on this?


Cheers,
onedude


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8578 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
oes any one have a seat map of the V Australia 77W ?

Nope - nothing has been released re seating yet


User currently offlinePeh From Australia, joined Nov 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

This new route would also serve as overflow for the previously announced SYD-LAX route. I would imagine that the latter route would sell-out faster so anyone who misses out on a seat could hop a one hour Virgin Blue connection to Brisbane and head to the US from there.

Great idea. This is really going to give Qantas a run for its money. The combined LAX routes account for 20% of Qantas' overall operating profit. Anyone here a Qantas shareholder?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21458 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Imagine an NZ 77W. That'll be pretty much my prediction for a VA 77W layout, considering the Virgin family and the fact that NZ uses the Virgin J seat.  Smile


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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2905 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8286 times:



Quoting Peh (Reply 13):
Great idea. This is really going to give Qantas a run for its money. The combined LAX routes account for 20% of Qantas' overall operating profit. Anyone here a Qantas shareholder?

Have you seen their prices? Somehow I don't think QF shareholders need to be that worried!


User currently offlineHomaDreaming From United States of America, joined May 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8272 times:

Another reason to visit Australia! very good news! Can they add a LAX-JFK so the East coasters can V Australia it all the way!? or not a good idea or even possible?

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8235 times:



Quoting HomaDreaming (Reply 16):
Can they add a LAX-JFK so the East coasters can V Australia it all the way!? or not a good idea or even possible?

The BNE-LAX flight will be the one that arrives in LAX with enough time to do a flight to JFK and return for the evening departure to Australia. But will the sums work out better than putting passengers onto NW/DL flights to the East Coast?


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8147 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):
The BNE-LAX flight will be the one that arrives in LAX with enough time to do a flight to JFK and return for the evening departure to Australia. But will the sums work out better than putting passengers onto NW/DL flights to the East Coast?

Probably not because the Sydney LAX flight won't be able to connect in both directions. The QF flight works because PREMIUM PAX (economy is always half emtpy on that flight) can connect to BNE, SYD and MEL. (but not auckland where you're forced to depart a bit earlier and use AA). Many PAX who purchase codeshare AA tickets still end up taking the AA762s anyway as far as the west coast.

This may work if VA can strike some kind of deal with VS (though less likely, when you can fly non-stop to lax to have much appeal) or if they can strike some kind of deal with Virgin America. I think that's unlikely BUT... Qantas has done the exact same thing with Japan Airlines aircraft in the past on KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX flights with QF selling domestic legs both to connecting pax, frequent flyer redemption and the general public.

I can't see the Americans looking at it very well. Other possibilities include maybe teaming up with NZ for this flight (they can sell it as part of an international itinery.. not a domestic trip) but honestly guys, don't hold your breath.

Doing some quick maths. If QF fills its First and business class cabins completely (often just about does this as the pax are spilt amoung several flights at LAX), and it gets an average of another $2000 bucks for Business and $3000 for first, that's 170 000 in revenue alone. Now add cargo on to that, and some economy pax (lets say about 100 economy PAX, at say another $100...economy pax really only get the fast connection) and you can probably add another $30 000 to that.

So, with a light load, QF generates maybe $200 000 extra for operating the JFK flight.... maybe significantly more if they get a premium for cargo (the only overnight service between easy coast of Australia and East coast of USA). DJ would need to be able to match that...and I think that would be very very difficult.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3116 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8107 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Does any one have a seat map of the V Australia 77W ?

Just check out an NZ 77E seat plan and a VS A346 one, then you'll get the idea.

Quoting QF108 (Reply 9):
Always thought UA should send their SFO, UA870, flight up to BNE after arriving in SYD.

I've always though UA should offer a daily 77E LAX-BNE-MEL flight to compliment their daily 744's plying LAX-SYD (no longer terminating at MEL) and SFO-SYD-MEL (instead of terminating at SYD).

IMHO of course
MH



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8060 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 19):
I've always though UA should offer a daily 77E LAX-BNE-MEL flight to compliment their daily 744's plying LAX-SYD (no longer terminating at MEL) and SFO-SYD-MEL (instead of terminating at SYD).

IMHO of course
MH

That's actually quite a good idea! Only problem may be those slightly lower weights on the UA 772...but, BNE is a little closer to LAX then the other cities, so maybe it helps?


User currently offlineHomaDreaming From United States of America, joined May 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7998 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):

I guess I just wanted to see more Australian carriers in JFK  Smile, however I seriously doubt them using DL/NW while Virgin America exists and flies the route...after all both carry the virgin brand...its amazing how u can do LHR-JFK-LAX-SYD-PER all on those Virgin brands very soon...Not the best way to get there but would make one great Trip report  Wink


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3116 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7994 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 20):
That's actually quite a good idea!

Well blow me down, a compliment on a.net! Thank you very much.

Now, given that the 77E may be on the ground a little too long, what do you all think of the possibility of an extension i.e. LAX-BNE-PER? Making the first direct flight from PER to the US West Coast.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

OK, so now that the first two routes are announced, what will be the next priority? Will it be another Australian city to the USA - ie MEL, or another US city to Australia - ie SFO. Perhaps a stop in AKL. Or will it be to add frequencies on SYD-LAX. It might seem a bit boring if they add SYD-LAX frequencies, but that is the city pair that will make the most money, and if they give SYD-LAX an early arrival time into LAX, that will let people connect to most parts of North America in daylight hours.

If they want to get best yields out of MEL, do they have to be daily? Would three times weekly be OK to start? I think they would want to be non stop from MEL to USA, though I am not sure if MEL-LAX would allow max payload on a 77W.

Has it be said whether the VA NW agreement will continue past the NW/DL merger and become a A DL agreement? This has an obvious advantage that DL are non stop between LAX and JFK, and NW are one stop with a change.

Advantage of VA agreement with NW DL would be that there would be ( you hope) more options for looking after passengers when the planes miss the connection. Virgin America is still a very small airline - if VA gets in late you might have a very long wait for the next VX flight.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7740 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):
The BNE-LAX flight will be the one that arrives in LAX with enough time to do a flight to JFK and return for the evening departure to Australia.



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 23):
OK, so now that the first two routes are announced, what will be the next priority?

I think the next route will be from SYD and will probably be an Asian destination before another US one.


25 Thegeek : I disagree. What Asian destination would have the demand for a 77W to be profitably filled? Aren't QF losing money on their China services, and cutti
26 ANstar : I don't think we will see MEL-Anything with V Australia's initial fleet. Air Canada's 77W was load restricted when it briefly ops' SYD-YVR before the
27 Thegeek : Good point. The range of the 77W is 480km more than the 744ER though. Just looked at the timetables, and the 77L takes 15h to fly YVR->SYD, the 744ER
28 Alangirvan : I would predict that V Australia will go for 787s as well, and it will be 787s that fly from Australia to Asia. 787s would have the range to do MEL to
29 6thfreedom : I would say SYD-HKG replacement 100%. VA replacing VS makes a lot more sense than having the VS A346 sitting in SYD all day... After HKG, I think Sha
30 ANstar : Well I emailed VA last night asking if they have a seat mao as I want to know where I am sitting before booking. Here is the reply "We are still in th
31 Peh : That's so surprising. The few airlines with a 2-3-2 configuration in business don't get great reviews from the traveling public. They are going to ha
32 Gigneil : They're not the same carrier... they're not even RELATED to each other. NS
33 MarcoPoloWorld : First of all, congrats to LAX; this is great news. But can anyone in the world please tell me why these guys don't spell out the Virgin brand? Why for
34 Gemuser : They are "related" somewhat. SRB owns 51% of VS and 25% of DJ, who owns 100% of VA. So they are related, but not in a controlling shareholder way. So
35 Viscount724 : I believe there is a legal restriction imposed by Richard Branson that prohibits use of the "Virgin" brand outside Australia. That's why Virgin Blue'
36 Gigneil : Because they can't. They're NOT Virgin. That's some interesting information I didn't have, Gemuser, thanks. I assumed V Australia was owned exclusive
37 Post contains links Gemuser : Actually you are sorta right, but it's a bit more complicated than that. The following is from the International Air Services Commission (IASC) which
38 MotorHussy : But they all operate under the Virgin umbrella brand and the global brand strategy.
39 ANstar : Yep - and if they weren't related Branson wouldnt have been harping on about Virgin now flying around the world. Will be interesting to see how VA an
40 Sparklehorse12 : I believe this is an SQ thing...?
41 Bjwonline : I would have to agree on this too. I am looking at flying to the USA early next year and while there is significant difference in cost between QF and
42 REALDEAL : because most people haven't even heard of VA yet. QF's new ff programme has been all over the media lately but very little about VA. They really need
43 JoFMO : It was all over the press here in Sydney when they announced the route. The Morning Herald had it as a cover story, lateline business had a long inte
44 Post contains links HomaDreaming : The Virgin brand airlines are related simply for somehow carrying the virgin brand and concept, therefore its very basic that if VS wants to code shar
45 Post contains images Viscount724 : There was at least one exception, Virgin Express, the Brussels-based carrier that operated ithin Europe using 737s for a few years until they merged
46 ANstar : Are youtravelling in economy? If so I would jsut book while the fares are cheap.... It will be the standard full service offering with about an inch
47 HanginOut : Correct. As SQ owns a big portion of VS, it has the right to veto the use of the name Virgin. That said, once SQ sells its 49% holding of VS (there h
48 AirNZ : And they are flying Virgin....whether you agree or not.
49 Alangirvan : Virgin Express was flying before SQ bought into VS. Before SQ can sell its part of VS, it has to find someone who wants to buy it, which is difficult
50 Gemuser : All Pacific routes account for "less than 15%" of QF profit, according to Geoff Dixon at the last half yearly profit announancment. Gemuser
51 BNEFlyer : This is fantastic news! Finally another way to get to LA! I know a lot of people who love QF but I refuse to step foot on one of their planes heading
52 ANstar : Hi BNEFlyer - I think we have just seen the soft launch. Full product launch etc is due next month I think. Brett Godfrey did an interview on SKY biz
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