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BA A318 X 2 At LHR?  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8802 times:

Hi

A colleague is reporting on a staff site that there are two A318 nose-to-nose in a hangar at LHR.

Much discussion has ensued that they are A319s but they are adamant they have a shorter fuselage and the taller tail.

By the way the tails are liveried but the rest of the a/c has green primer.

Are they A318s???

Cheers

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12488 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8760 times:
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I can't quite see from here, but I'd bet a 1p to a £1 they're A319s.  smile 


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User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8745 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
but I'd bet a 1p to a £1 they're A319s.   

thats my instinct too, however someone mentioned some ex-Frontier A318s became available and.......

You know what rumours are like.

Does anyone have a schedule and can check if two A319s are in for repaint at the mo?


User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8745 times:

No BA 318s are at LHR as the Spotters would have known about it ages ago trust me Anything like that showed up at Heathrow and it would get out.

 old 


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8733 times:



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 3):
Anything like that showed up at Heathrow and it would get out.

agreed but what if they arrived as white-tails?


User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8733 times:

BA was launching a new route between NYC and London City Centre with A318's. Looks like it is coming to life

User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8718 times:



Quoting PropilotJW (Reply 5):
BA was launching a new route between NYC and London City Centre with A318's. Looks like it is coming to life

The two a/c for that service have only just been ordered. I doubt its those but intriguing it is!


User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8701 times:

Even as White Tails the spotters would notice them.

Allot of the Heathrow Yellow Vehicles are Spotter or Photog manned also a lot of the guys and Girls at Heathrow who work in the Tower are Photogs so would Know about a White tailed 318 and it would get out!.  old 


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12488 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8585 times:
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Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6):
The two a/c for that service have only just been ordered. I doubt its those but intriguing it is!

I'm pretty sure the purchase price includes a paint job as well!  wink 



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

BA's A318's don't come until 2009.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

BA are presently painting the A319s, two at a time in one paint bay.
The A318 are not built yet, and Frontier ones are no good as they don't have the LCY mod.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

The only A318 movements at Heathrow in the last 10 days was an arrival and departure pair to CDG by Air France last Saturday (28th).


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User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8255 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 10):
Frontier ones are no good as they don't have the LCY mod.

What is the LCY mod? I've heard about this before but what do they do to the A318 to make it LCY-ready? I'd assume strengthened undercarriage and maybe uprated engines.


User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8204 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 12):
What is the LCY mod? I've heard about this before but what do they do to the A318 to make it LCY-ready? I'd assume strengthened undercarriage and maybe uprated engines.

I'm fairly sure it involves updating the flight management software and the addition of the 'LCY button' on the overhead panel, which when pressed will configure the aircraft for steep approaches (I have an article somewhere where it's mentioned in more detail, but I can't find it at the moment).


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8157 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 12):
What is the LCY mod?

Directional engine nozzles for vertical takeoff.  Smile

Actually, just a short field performance kit.



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User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

Actually, just a short field performance kit.

Does this mean a JATO Kit?  old 

Would mean a Stunning short field Take off climb!


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8042 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 12):
What is the LCY mod? I've heard about this before but what do they do to the A318 to make it LCY-ready?

There is an article on the Airbus site that I can't find, but it reconfigures the flight controls to allow a 6deg glide slope. You press a button on the A/P control and the spoilers come out and the aircraft descends at 6deg instead of 3deg. There is only one flying at present, the Airbus demonstrator, and as far as I know BA has ordered the first two production aircraft, first delivery in Spring 2009. There is no simulator available yet, so BA has problems training the crews.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7873 times:



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 15):
Does this mean a JATO Kit?   

Would mean a Stunning short field Take off climb!

Actually take off is not such a problem. The runway is long enough and you are going to be stuck underneath the Heathrow approach at 3000 for a long time anyway. Most of the difficulties come from the 5.5deg glidepath.



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7468 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7671 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 10):
BA are presently painting the A319s, two at a time in one paint bay.

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The interesting thing about the report is that that it says

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
By the way the tails are liveried but the rest of the a/c has green primer.

When BA started to repaint their A319 fleet well over a year ago I believe that the new paint job was applied directly on top of the old (in these cases manufacturer's original) paint job. This was because BA saved the cost of stripping the aircraft first. But the escalating aviation fuel price has changed the cost equation. Now the extra fuel consumed by flying the aircraft for six or seven years with two instead of one paint job means it is more economic to strip the fuselages first.

I believe that it is only relatively recently that BA have changed this policy. Hence there has not been a previous report identifying aircraft stripped of paint on their fuselages.

The 319s that have been repainted can all be distinguished from those that have not because:

1. The Union Flag tail reaches much higher up the tail after receiving the new paint job
2. The abbreviated (3 letter) reg is painted on the top centre of the tail on repainted a/c

and, for the earlier examples of BA's 319s:

3. The common name "Chatham Historic Dockyard" has not been repainted on the nose.
4. The "United Kingdom" titles have not been repainted on the upper rear fuselage.
5. The "Airbus A319" titles have not been repainted on the lower rear fuselage above the reg.

All five changes are evident in these two before and after photos:

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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7468 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

I missed out the sixth difference between the repainted and not repainted aircraft in my last post. The repainted aircraft have the last three letters of their reg painted on the nose-wheel door. The not repainted aircraft have just the last two letters.

User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7413 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 18):
When BA started to repaint their A319 fleet well over a year ago I believe that the new paint job was applied directly on top of the old (in these cases manufacturer's original) paint job. This was because BA saved the cost of stripping the aircraft first. But the escalating aviation fuel price has changed the cost equation. Now the extra fuel consumed by flying the aircraft for six or seven years with two instead of one paint job means it is more economic to strip the fuselages first.

I believe that it is only relatively recently that BA have changed this policy. Hence there has not been a previous report identifying aircraft stripped of paint on their fuselages.

The 319s that have been repainted can all be distinguished from those that have not because:

1. The Union Flag tail reaches much higher up the tail after receiving the new paint job
2. The abbreviated (3 letter) reg is painted on the top centre of the tail on repainted a/c

and, for the earlier examples of BA's 319s:

3. The common name "Chatham Historic Dockyard" has not been repainted on the nose.
4. The "United Kingdom" titles have not been repainted on the upper rear fuselage.
5. The "Airbus A319" titles have not been repainted on the lower rear fuselage above the reg.

All five changes are evident in these two before and after photos:

Many thanks for a very informative post. The only difference I had noticed till now was the absence of the "United Kingdom" wording.


User currently offlineBirdseed From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

I think the 'LCY mod' referred to is in fact the 'Steep Approach mod'. More info here.

User currently offlineAnglo2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Regarding the A319 repaints, I have noticed EUPE has the titles further down the fuselage
compared to the rest of the fleet. Obviously a mistake by the painters.


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Hi

A colleague is reporting on a staff site that there are two A318 nose-to-nose in a hangar at LHR.

Much discussion has ensued that they are A319s but they are adamant they have a shorter fuselage and the taller tail.

By the way the tails are liveried but the rest of the a/c has green primer.

Are they A318s???

Cheers

Is Winky still adamant to convince everyone he is right again over there on the crew forum??? Hehe

[Edited 2008-07-04 16:42:11]


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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5069 times:
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Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 15):
Does this mean a JATO Kit?   

Would mean a Stunning short field Take off climb!

I would really enjoy seeing a JATO equipped A318 take off. But unfortunately, I think the aircraft would disintegrate.  old 


25 Viscount724 : I've never understood the point of that wording on BA aircraft. Seems totally redundant and needless clutter, like putting "United States" on an AA a
26 Speedmarque : The wording "United Kingdom" is a throwback to the world tails when each scheme had the country of origin written on the rear fuselage.
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