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Central American Aviation Thread - Part XX  
User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10715 times:




It's amazing how this thread -conceived and created by our friend RootsAir on 12/14/2006- has now reached its twentieth incarnation. Braulio's rationale back then was that "by placing recent events in this thread we can all be kept up to date more easily with what is happening in regards to aviation in Central America."

And that has indeed been the case all along, so here we go with PART 20.................................

Honduran media have reportedly obtained the cockpit transcript of TA390. About ninety seconds worth of conversation and automated system call outs are missing, however.

The now-deceased pilot seemed pressed to land, and was obviously not free to choose on his own whether to divert, return, or keep trying, should the second landing attempt fail: "...pregunte a El Salvador qué podemos hacer si fallamos en ésta."

Then as Capt. D'Antonio was making the necessary adjustments to circle for rwy 02, he told his rookie co-pilot: "Ves, para esto no nos pagan lo suficiente para andar inventando esta (expletive deleted)…"

TACA has been slapped with the first lawsuit in a federal district court, following the TA390 crash in Honduras. A Seattle-based law firm specializing in personal injury law has been retained to represent four of the injured passengers.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 198):
does anyone have any official news from CM on what their *A plans are?

Well, their former sugar daddy confirmed a couple of weeks ago that it is about to transition into Star. Hadn't Copa previously suggested they would follow CO to the ends of the earth?


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 199):
"Ves, para esto no nos pagan lo suficiente para andar inventando esta mierda…"

My informal spanish is a little rusty...but I think that about just says it all.

Quoting Viaggiare (Thread starter):
Well, their former sugar daddy confirmed a couple of weeks ago that it is about to transition into Star. Hadn't Copa previously suggested they would follow CO to the ends of the earth?

I think that was before CO sold off the rest of its shares in CM....they may not be hinged at the hip as much now.

Wouldn't it be a shocker if TA became CO newest partner and CM stayed in Skyteam....
I think CM would have to change their c/s just a little though.  Big grin



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User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10698 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
think that was before CO sold off the rest of its shares in CM....they may not be hinged at the hip as much now.

Wouldn't it be a shocker if TA became CO newest partner and CM stayed in Skyteam....
I think CM would have to change their c/s just a little though.

I hope and think not-- CM using CO's Onepass FF program so that would probably complicate things.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

On LA PRENSA yesterday, the Panamanian Tourism Minister, the singer Ruben Blades, said that David needs a new airport.
What I don't really make for that news is if DAV needs a new terminal or if David needs a brand-new airport somewhere else than DAV.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10698 times:
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Quoting Viaggiare (Thread starter):

Honduran media have reportedly obtained the cockpit transcript of TA390. About ninety seconds worth of conversation and automated system call outs are missing, however

Can you post a link so we all can listen to it? Thanks.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10686 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
Can you post a link so we all can listen to it? Thanks.

It's only the transcript that the various media outlets in Tegucigalpa and San Pedro Sula have reproduced so far, not the audio itself.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10686 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 2):
I hope and think not-- CM using CO's Onepass FF program so that would probably complicate things.

It's a fact that CM will follow CO into Star Alliance. Regardless of that, I see CM keeping its code-share and cooperation w/KL on the PTY-AMS route. Hoever, If LH would start PTY, then that situation might change.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10684 times:
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Nevermind found it in another thread. Wow. Thats all i can say. It certainly does speak well of the Pilot. Inexcusable


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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

Today's edition of Honduran newspaper La Tribuna runs an interview with Human Rights Commissioner Ramon Custodio, in which he questions the real motives behind the closure of Tegucigalpa's airport to aircraft capable of carrying more than 42 passengers...

-¿Hay intereses oscuros en el cierre de Toncontín?
Le voy a decir con todo respeto, hay una empresa que quiere tener un aeropuerto cautivo, para uso exclusivo de ellos, afectando a otras empresas. Estamos en un mercado libre, en una economía libre de mercado, pero se dice del diente al labio, en la práctica aquí se fomentan los monopolios y los oligopolios.

-Are there any obscure interests behind the closure of TGU?
I'm going to say it with all due respect: there is a company that wants to have a captive airport for its exclusive use, affecting other businesses. This is a free market, a free market economy, but that is merely lip service. In actual practice, monopolies and oligopolies are encouraged in this country.


One thing does seem certain, though: the parrot cartel's fleet of ATRs is busier than ever these days.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32722 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10637 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 8):
Today's edition of Honduran newspaper La Tribuna runs an interview with Human Rights Commissioner Ramon Custodio, in which he questions the real motives behind the closure of Tegucigalpa's airport to aircraft capable of carrying more than 42 passengers...

When will this ban be lifted, if ever?

Seems like corrupt politics and nothing else behind this idiocy.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10620 times:

Instead of a rule of no aircraft carrying more than 42 passengers for TGU, which we all know who's going to benefit, why those Hondureans don't restrict TGU operations to only STOL aircarft?
Everybody is aware the the major problem with TGU is the approach, if operations are limited to STOL aircraft only (like LCY is), at least the problem with the approach could be solved.

If TA wants to keep serving TGU while other airlines must operate out of XPL, then the Hondurean government should tax TA TGU fares to make them more expensive than XPL (since TGU will be a premium airport).

IMHO, TGU is going the way of San Salvador Ilopango, to become a G.A. aerodrome.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10553 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
Wouldn't it be a shocker if TA became CO newest partner

The stake of TA is rather focusing with UA for the meantime.




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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
if DAV needs a new terminal or if David needs a brand-new airport somewhere else than DAV.

Is the Panamanian Government capable to develop two new airports simultaneously: Penonome and the new DAV? I don't know if these proposed stations can be compared between themselves.
Is there enough demand to support both?




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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 6):
CM keeping its code-share and cooperation w/KL on the PTY-AMS route.

I would introduce a new point: If CM moves to Star Alliance in the future, the CM-AM treaty might also continue into force anyhow.




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Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 8):
the parrot cartel's fleet of ATRs is busier than ever these days.

TA SAL-TGU is now working twice-daily with the ATR-42. However, TA had announced the opening of such route prior to the accident on May 30th. See my reply 204 on Part XVIII and dated on May 12th.
Rumor is that Islena -which is the Honduran subsidiary of TACA REGIONAL- is seemingly getting rid their Shorts SD-360 in order to acquire more ATR-42s.

Regards.



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1874 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

What's happen to Aeropostal - Alas de Centro America's DC-9-20 in SJO? Is the plane still there or did they scrap this aircraft?

User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10493 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
When will this ban be lifted, if ever?

Well, in a rather dramatic (and so third world-ish) turn of events, the Honduran government has agreed to change course regarding Toncontín and: "...autorizar de manera temporal la operación de aeronaves tipo “C” y “D”, con las restricciones y medidas de seguridad y construcción de obras necesarias, en base a las recomendaciones de la OACI y lo propuesto por la Dirección de Aeronáutica Civil."

Sooo, as it turns out, those who had been left out in the cold are expected to normalize their operations at TGU within a week or so.

However, president Zelaya made it clear that: "...inmediatamente que esté habilitado el Aeropuerto Internacional Soto Cano ubicado en Palmerola, Comayagua, con la construcción de la primera fase de la terminal permanente, las aeronaves “C” y “D” no podrán operar más en Toncontín."

Oh but that and the four-lane highway leading to XPL could take at least two years to build.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Seems like corrupt politics and nothing else behind this idiocy.

In a word: Yes.



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

Watching a video on youtube, and I noticed it showed what looked like a 747 cockpit on a PTY-AMS flight. Is KL using the 747 now or was it a one time thing.



User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10456 times:

I know KL had to use a B747 at least once on the AMS-PTY-AMS flight when one of their MD11 had problems at PTY. The amount of passengers that needed to be flown, required a B747.
Anyhow, I would rather see a KL B747 combi fly the AMS-PTY route than a MD11.
KL could get good cargo loads on that route.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10434 times:

Based on recent press releases from Peru, TACA is planning to operate six of their eleven E90s through LIM and mostly for domestic services in Peru including Iquitos [IQT] and Arequipa [AQP] for the next year.
Further information is available into the dedicated thread which is open for discussion and comments:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4054671/

Regards.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 12):
What's happen to Aeropostal - Alas de Centro America's DC-9-20 in SJO? Is the plane still there or did they scrap this aircraft?

I haven't seen TI-AZS for some time now, so they either moved that baby out of view somewhere adjacent to the Coopesa hangar, or quietly ferried her out of the country.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 16):
TACA is planning to operate six of their eleven E90s through LIM

So much for their grandiose plans to base them all at SJO. Then again, with the price of oil shooting through the roof, and our never-ending struggle with Alterra, short routes within Perú might appear more attractive than the uncertain prospect of an extended Caribbean network from here.

[Edited 2008-07-06 22:11:33]


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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10380 times:

CM to Valencia, Venezuela Daily

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4056710/

I think this will help relieve some of the pressure on CM CCS-PTY opening up more seats.


User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10359 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 17):
Perú might appear more attractive than the uncertain prospect of an extended Caribbean network from here.

I concur that the Caribbean doesn't look like a great success for them nowadays, being HAV and SDQ their isolated destinations.
Just my opinion: TA SJO-SDQ is likely suitable for the E-90 as well as several segments within Central America.




.
Rummaging among different South American media, TA LIM-MVD is driven load factors of 85% as long as the recent TA LIM-GIG hits the 75% in average. However, unfortunately there is no any reliable source to confirm that as the usual figures that I regularly brought up to here.
They're also looking for the second frequency into TA LIM-SCL and holding an entire daylight allocation.

Regards.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 18):
CM to Valencia, Venezuela Daily

Good for Copa. VLN is the country's main industrial (manufacturing) center. The three largest cities in Venezuela will soon be connected to the airline's hemispheric network.

[Edited 2008-07-07 09:44:42]


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

Good for VLN and CM, hope the one coming next is PZO (high-yield oil-bussines traffic) and not PMV (leisure and limited Colon Duty Free traffic).


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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10310 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):

Good for VLN and CM, hope the one coming next is PZO (high-yield oil-bussines traffic) and not PMV (leisure and limited Colon Duty Free traffic).

Wouldnt Barquisimeto or Barcelona be better places to fly to before valencia?


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10276 times:



Quoting Luisca (Reply 22):
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):

Good for VLN and CM, hope the one coming next is PZO (high-yield oil-bussines traffic) and not PMV (leisure and limited Colon Duty Free traffic).

Wouldnt Barquisimeto or Barcelona be better places to fly to before valencia?

That would be quite an experiment. BRM currently lacks any international flights, even though Barquisimeto is Venezuela's fourth-largest city. I would therefore predict BLA is next.

And with regard to PZO, my understanding is that INAC has yet to complete its certification process as per ICAO regulations.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

The following summary shows the scenery for Copa Airlines during this year:

March 10: CM PTY-POS started with E90. 4x weekly.
April 17: CM took delivery of its new E90 registered as HP-1566 CMP.
April 27: CM PTY-SAL started its second daily service with E90.
May 21: CM took delivery of its new E90 registered as HP-1567 CMP.
August 11: CM will start its third daily frequency into PTY-CCS with 73G.
August 21: CM will start service to Belo Horizonte, Brazil. 5x weekly with 73G.
December 05: CM will start service to Valencia, Venezuela. 7x weekly with E90.

Regards.



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25 Yellowtail : How is this flight doing anyway?
26 SJOtoLIR : I don't get any information yet concerning to their loads and yields. This is current landscape between Panama and El Salvador: PTY-SAL as non-stop:
27 LACA773 : Will TA increase it's frequencies between LAX-GUA & or SAL since UA is or has already pulled out of those markets?
28 Viaggiare : Add this one to your list... December 15: CM starts PTY-AUA 4x weekly E90.
29 Yellowtail : Where did that come from!
30 SJOtoLIR : It seems to be a logical move as they are working with their [Central America - Miami] services regarding all those flights that TA makes everyday on
31 Yellowtail : I don't think these flights were unprofitable...hell, if you can't make a profit at 89% then you shouldn't be business.... I just think UA decided th
32 SJOtoLIR : UA is getting a weak presence in Latin America nowadays and they may rather rely in its extensive code-share agreement with TA instead to launch dedi
33 LACA773 : Hey there, How are you doing SJO? Hope this finds you well. Thankyou for the information. I thought UA was doing well on these two routes. It just do
34 Luisca : Wasnt expecting that one, now all we need is PTY-GCM to have some good caribbean coverage.
35 SJOtoLIR : Hi, Jeb. My concern in this regard is that GRUPO TACA might not necessarily launch extra frequencies in order to fill the gap left by UA in both SAL
36 Luisca : Isnt P5 planning to start PEI-PTY soon?
37 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Aeronautica Civil de Colombia has previously awarded them to operate PTY-PEI. They may start commercial services before December 2008. P5 is willing
38 Copa737DFW : Ooooohhh that would be GREAT, COPA would be a lot closer to DFW so I could fly them...but I still like AA becuase I get upgrades
39 Tomascubero : Hey Guys, Been away from posting for a while, anyways, TI-AZS along with the other Aeropostal DC-9 there, YV-32C have both been cut up and are in the
40 Viaggiare : Thanks so much for the update, Tomás. I will definitely drive by there sometime this week and check out what's left of them. And so, after several w
41 Tomascubero : Actually, CM824/825 was never cancelled, it just flew to SAP instead. Atlantic Airways had the "pleasure" to fly the first CAT C aircraft back into T
42 2travel2know : With TGU back to altmost normal operations, what is the status of XPL planned international terminal?
43 Viaggiare : Yes, I meant to say after several weeks of absence from TGU.
44 Mt99 : Thats a good question.. is TGU back for good or until XPL is ready? Regardless of what (and how) happended Hondurans deserve a better gateway to thei
45 Viaggiare : It is a temporary compromise solution. Take a look at reply #13 above. For one thing, keep in mind that Honduras is the second poorest country in Cen
46 Mt99 : I thought Haiti was the poorest, followed by Nicaragua then Honduras... That was a few years back anyways..
47 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Flashback: During the early 90s, LACSA worked as an independent carrier and the legacy for the South American spread experienced by GRUPO TACA nowaday
48 Viaggiare : Did TA fly into South America at the time? Got any videos from the 80s? 70s? I remember a tv ad from the mid-70s which had this jingle: "su alegría
49 2travel2know : If you consider Panamá PTY Southamerica, yes. TA might have operated charters to ADZ (Colombia), but I don't have reliable info on that.
50 Snaiks : I read in the colombian news paper, that SATENA, the third largest airline in Colombia will start flights to Panama, anyone have any info of that, of
51 2travel2know : SATENA to Panamá? Well I don't know, but surely EOH-PAC and BOG-PAC with their E135 would be very interesting, specially if instead of RON @ EOH, the
52 Viaggiare : Neither geographically nor geopolitically, and certainly not so for the last 105 years.
53 SJOtoLIR : I envisage that the former TACA didn't fly to South America as scheduled flights, but I don't get enough information to sustain an 100% level of accu
54 Viaggiare : Copa will have yet another PTY-SJO nonstop for three days out of the week, six flights in all We/Fr/Su... CM4270 PTY1226 - 1242SJO E90 357 CM4271 SJO1
55 Yellowtail : IT is what you call bread and butter...like WN's HOU-DAL. Perhaps too they are noticing increased loads with the KL codeshare out of SJO.
56 Viaggiare : KL757 AMS1330 - 1740PTY M11 357 KL758 PTY1935 - 1310+1AMS M11 357
57 Luisca : so what does this mean? did they remove Ejecutiva seats from the E190 and made it all coach or are Ejecutiva seats blocked for ongoing passengers onl
58 Viaggiare : Some of their E90s appear to have been configured with a single-class (25 rows in a two-by-two) seat layout, as opposed to their traditional 94-seat
59 Luisca : Or could it be operated by P5? I hope not, Copa employees should not let management allow P5 to operate any non Colombia routes.
60 SJOtoLIR : In spite of their current five-daily frequencies on CM PTY-SJO, the 80% of them do not finish at SJO adding that the 100-seater E90 is used in many o
61 LAXintl : Regarding the United SAL and GUA flight cuts, one big reason for the cuts is the fact that UA maintains a staff of 20-30 folks in each city -- many of
62 CM767 : Why not? There where rumors that CM would "lease" planes to P5 to be used on local flights inside Colombia. The planes to be used were CM's planes th
63 Viaggiare : Regardless of that, there will still be up to 8,104 available seats on the route (both ways) every week. And at least a quarter of that is guaranteed
64 LACA773 : Wow, LAXintl. I remember you mentioning this a while ago ( I believe). It's too bad they were nto able to just make typical staff reductions by way o
65 Luisca : Becouse CM employees have to protect what is theres and not allow Copa holdings to whipsaw the 2 employee groups into lowering their cost. (Copa Hold
66 SJOtoLIR : 4C Aires from Colombia also flies PEI-PTY with turboprop Dash-8 equipment. If P5 really materializes its proposed project into PEI-PTY and back with
67 Viaggiare : CM116 en route to SJO suffered a bird strike on takeoff from PTY this morning at 1013 local. The 73G with seventy-nine pax and six crew on board lande
68 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : TACA is likely studying Asuncion, Paraguay: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4069996/ . The winners of 2008 SKYTRAX Wo
69 Viaggiare : Let's get some perspective here. The inability (or unwillingness) shown thus far by Alterra to complete the airport expansion project at SJO is one t
70 LAXintl : Such seasonal/low frequency flights are able to use 3rd party contractors and do not require own station staffing. GUA & SAL had alot of overhead cos
71 SJOtoLIR : Some negative issues related to SJO considering airport standards: The terminal has been under construction for years. Food court is too small and it
72 Viaggiare : Once again, the rankings are based on pax surveys (alledgedly over eight million questionnaires across the world) which appraise things like terminal
73 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The next slide-show related to LACSA exhibits its chronological sequence since the C-46 and BAC 1-11 era up to the merger onto GRUPO TACA later. http:
74 2travel2know : Managua other 2 airports? I just noticed on Google Earth that Managua does have 2 other airports, a 1000m - kind of rural - aerodrome west of the city
75 Viaggiare : Los Brasiles (MNBR) and Punta Huete (MNFC) respectively? But that's just a wild guess.
76 2travel2know : Yes, those are.
77 Post contains links 2travel2know : CM to add another 2 new B737-800 to its fleet
78 Viaggiare : I wonder then if my latest calculations (pending refers to firm orders) are accurate... 738 = 7 in fleet + 3 pending = 10 73G = 20 in fleet + 5 pendi
79 SJOtoLIR : With respect to small airports relatively close to Managua, MNMR also operates as a regional airfield serving to Montelimar Resort area. If I remember
80 StarPANAMA : Does anyone have any information on the Air Cariabes service to PTY. Schedules etc. Does it have a codeshare agreement with CM or anyone? thanks for a
81 Post contains links 2travel2know : Air Caraïbes website Only in French. Air Caraïbes is flying twice weekly to PTY.
82 SJOtoLIR : Welcome to airliners.net ! TX 250/252 CAY 12:25......FDF 13:35........E90.......Tu, Th FDF 14:15.......PTP 14:55.......E90........Tu, Th PTP 15:55...
83 Viaggiare : I chimed in to second those welcoming words para el hermano panameño. Now if we could only have some folks from Honduras and Nicaragua join us, then
84 Post contains links Juanchito : Delta plans daily route ATL-TGU-ATL with new 737-700 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4076537/ Juanchito
85 Mt99 : hehhe.. i do have a sense of humor (i don't request deletion of posts ..LOL)
86 Yellowtail : Posting this from the other thread. well..considering they just axed JFK-LIR/PTY/SJO/GUA permanently...so far this week they are in down. Is this anot
87 Viaggiare : Not much of a surprise. How long did these last, anyway? Another six-week long DL experiment in the making! So you do have a humorous side after all.
88 StarPANAMA : Thanks for the info on TX and the welcomes. Very helpful.
89 Yellowtail : Hehe..I am currently getting flamed in the DL to TGU thread for suggesting that they will only last 6 months! so you better not go over there. ...som
90 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Just to expand the situation for Air Caraibes in Central America, the service started on December 11th 2007 as long as the segment PTY-SJO is not boo
91 Yellowtail : Over in the Caribbean thread they said the PTP-PTY segment was doing really well.
92 Post contains links MGASJO : Exactly. Los Brasiles; located about 13nm west of MNMG (MGA) was back in the days -60's and 70's- a major air force base for Somoza's airforce, home
93 Viaggiare : Wow that's just ludicrous, although it doesn't really surprise me all that much. I wonder how the SJO tag-on is doing and also how much of their traf
94 SJOtoLIR : Thank you for your comprehensive post ! The airfield of Puerto Cabezas [MNPC/PUZ] is located in the North Atlantic coast of your country. Does it bas
95 MGASJO : There is a road that takes you to Puerto Cabezas too. It is about 430 kms from Managua and it can take up to 12 hours due to the bad conditions of th
96 Yellowtail : I tried a sample booking but it is not bookable anymore so I suspect not that well and had been cancelled. How come PTY can support E. Caribbean serv
97 Viaggiare : We have neither the free trade emporium (and financial haven) nor the vfr base. Panamá will probably lure even larger crowds once the CM hub becomes
98 SJOtoLIR : Theoretically, SJO is contributing with some traffic to the Caribbean on TX. If it isn't so, the existence of the tag-on aiming to SJO is not justifi
99 LAXintl : Another service cut at GUA. US Airways is dropping the station and its now daily CLT-GUA route eff 9/2.
100 Juanchito : Wow another one, prices will go up. Juanchito
101 Yellowtail : US has been on this route awhile I believe.....and going from daily to ZERO is strange...one would have thought that we would have seen some warning s
102 LAXintl : Well BZE is suspended between 8/30-11/8.
103 Carmenlu15 : Official now? I heard the rumor a couple of weeks ago, but it was still nothing for sure... what a shame
104 LAXintl : Yes - schedules were loaded over the weekend.
105 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Speaking about Air Caraibes in Central America, here's its sole E190-100 LR and registered as F-OSUD. The picture pertains to SJO tarmac on April 04th
106 Yellowtail : Apparently (according to another thread)...the pull out is directly related to the UA shutdown at GUA and UA used to ground handle US.
107 Juanchito : This is true, because mi sister worked at United in the counter and they even dispatched the US flights. Juanchito
108 SJOtoLIR : In other words: US BZE-CLT, US SJO-CLT, US SJO-PHX and US PHL-SJO are not in danger as UA is not regularly flying to BZE, SJO and LIR **. ** UA flies
109 Yellowtail : All in all...AA and CO are looking at the US and Dl drawbacks....and are very happy. I would hate to see it cause I really like choices.....but IMHO U
110 Yellowtail : Just Back from our Belize Airports Authority meeting and they told us that NK has agreed to start FLL-BZE service 4Xweek in "early 2009" I think the m
111 Viaggiare : Were those also announced by the BAA or was it the airlines themselves?
112 Yellowtail : MX was announced at a Tourism conference in BZE. BA (and other charter carriers) was mentioned by the chairman and various board members of the BAA a
113 Post contains links Viaggiare : Those guys should learn from our experience with Liberia. And the private sector needs to get on board as well. The owners of Península Papagayo and
114 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-VLN will face the competition offered by the Venezuelan airline SBA as they will initiate their own VLN-MIA on August 19th. As it was discussed
115 Yellowtail : BTW...where is the original CentAm thread starter CamenLU these days?
116 Yellowtail : From another post if anyone is interested. Latin American Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.64 Operating Expense Per ASM:14.27 Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.37 Yi
117 SJOtoLIR : The overall situation for CO seems to be reflected in Central America as well. Let me put it this way: taking into account the landscape for New York
118 Viaggiare : Wouldn't that be, um, RootsAir?
119 Yellowtail : I though CarmenLU started Thread one? Maybe I am wrong.
120 StarPANAMA : So its official. COPA have just announced that from December they will fly ARUBA (1 Dec), VALENCIA (15 Dec) and SANTA CRUZ, Bolivia (no specific date
121 2travel2know : Is VVI going to be via LIM or non-stop? CM keeps an aircraft R.O.N. in LIM and by years end it's quite possible CM could keep another too. PTY-VVI co
122 StarPANAMA : I haven't seen any specifics on frequencies and times. I think it will be non-stop. Do you think they would obtain 7th Freedom between LIM and VVI? I
123 Bentley55 : Any other CM routes in the pipelines? Is Aruba going to be served with a E190 or 737? Any word on flights to Europe?
124 2travel2know : CM has flown PTY-GYE-LIM before with traffic rights between GYE and LIM. Panamá and Perú already have open skies and I believe the Panamá-Bolivia
125 Viaggiare : AUA will be 4x weekly E90
126 SJOtoLIR : Good for CM which is totally in expansion mode ! Wikipedia states that 5L Aerosur from Bolivia will start services at PTY in November 2008. The infor
127 Juanchito : CM now has 6 daily flights to GUA CM497 5:52 am - PTY - E90 CM710 6:32 am - MGA-PTY - E90 CM4381 6:39 am - SJO-PTY - E90 CM319 2:39 pm - PTY - E90 CM1
128 2travel2know : = Very nice for CM to keep 3 aircraft R.O.N. in GUA everyday. One of those could do the GUA-BZE tag-on, but a 0520 BZE-GUA (as latest) departure woul
129 Viaggiare : An interesting tidbit is that CM116/CM115 no longer has the PTY-SJO-MGA-GUA routing. It is now CLO-PTY-SJO-MGA but remains 73G at least for the time
130 Yellowtail : Why not..if the alternative is to wait for TA flight that a) goes through SAL b) somtimes never comes c) is frequently overbooked....and considering
131 Viaggiare : How odd that Copa scouts were presumably seen in Belize "sniffing around and talking to interested parties" as you said, yet BZE remains off their ro
132 Yellowtail : I don't think AUA is an unlikely market. Probably a safer bet than even POS. However, CM to BZE via GUA seems to have some politics involved. The Par
133 Viaggiare : Good. Please keep us posted on the outcome. And spread the word about our thread too. Seriously, folks at both the MTCA and the BAA would do well to
134 Yellowtail : Why would we want political cronies around here..were honest folk
135 Viaggiare : Well, I did choose my words carefully and thus said lurk --as in secretly or furtively. But, yeah, I guess you have a point there nonetheless. So we
136 SJOtoLIR : Continental Airlines is widely utilizing their 739s in Central America nowadays. Only the southward flights have been listed in the following summary:
137 Yellowtail : Yuck...they are even worse in person! The 739 Does do BZE seasonally too. Yes it is successful. I have done it many many times and I can tell you it
138 SCL767 : Apparently COPA has been doing well at POS, with the 737-700 being used on the route instead of the E90.
139 Juanchito : Is the route 4 weekly or daily? Juanchito
140 SCL767 : CM still operates PTY-POS-PTY 4x weekly.[Edited 2008-08-08 14:00:26]
141 Aer : It'd be nice to see a 739 at GUA instead of the 738 that we get.
142 Yellowtail : If the PTY-POS flight is now a 73G..I guess the next logical step in daily.....or will they go daily to KIN first. CM is enjoying good success in the
143 Post contains links 2travel2know : CM got an E190 flight simulator
144 Luisca : Did NK reduce its PTY frequencies? is is seasonal or permanent?.
145 Yellowtail : I believe the reductions are seasonal although you never know.
146 AA1818 : Congrats to COPA. I was hoping to fly CM to PTY in December on the E190. I guess it'll be the 737 now! More 737s in POS! Once can only assume that CM
147 Post contains links Yellowtail : First EMB for TA....I can't link to the actual photo....but the last three pics on this page http://www.aeroworldnews.com.br/galeria.php?inicio=952&co
148 SJOtoLIR : The objectives of Copa Airlines focus in the Lesser Antilles might be related with some operations supplied by Continental Airlines there. CO operate
149 Yellowtail : Just keeping the thread active...eveyone seems to have gone on vacation! Seems like the CM PTY-POS 73G upgrade is only temporary....goes back to a Eje
150 2travel2know : Trini-Higgler travelling season's over by then? IMHO, upgrading POS to E190 daily will be to much too soon. The route has to develop and I wouldn't l
151 Yellowtail : I saw some pax on sunday come CM PAP-PTY-SAL then TA SAL-BZE....obviously avoiding MIA!
152 SJOtoLIR : Some extraordinary points concerning to the Central American aviation-wise for the time being: Copa Airlines is deploying up to three daily flights fo
153 SCL767 : Interesting that LAB operated PTY-MIA, I wonder if we might see another airline operate to some of the above destinations in the future.
154 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Rumour has it that 5L Aerosur from Bolivia will also start new services linking Santa Cruz de la Sierra - Panama City. Apologies, the attached back-u
155 Post contains links Mt99 : Officials from El Salvador and Trinidad and Tobago have begun talks to link the two countries by air.. ""El acuerdo puede ser entre las dos aerolínea
156 SJOtoLIR : Regarding the intended bilateral agreement between El Salvador and Trinidad and Tobago, TA may take advantage related to connections through SAL and
157 Mt99 : Yea that is not going to last to long. TA could make it work but mostly relying on connecting traffic. A good E-jet route?
158 Yellowtail : Anything more than a E-jet will be overkill...if they can stick it out and tiem the flights to connect to a bank going to LAX, SFO, MEX...then it mig
159 SJOtoLIR : I see several points concerning to the possible services to Trinidad & Tobago on TACA: 1. The 100-seater E90 seems to be the most feasible choice in s
160 Mt99 : I think you have to segment the market more closely. CM does not have as many North American connections as TA does.
161 SCL767 : Very small market between SAL-POS-SAL, I don't think TACA will be able to pull it off. Think LAN!
162 Mt99 : The O&D market is prob zero. But not so the connecting market
163 SCL767 : POS-SJO-POS would stand a better chance than SAL.
164 Yellowtail : Remember SJO is a more leisure oriented destination than SAL.....remember too that SAL has now become the HQ for some Caribbean companies....Courts (
165 Mt99 : Probably a small incremental better chance. SAL has better access to the US via TA.
166 SJOtoLIR : The previous comments are oriented in the chance to cater passengers from the Lesser Antilles towards California and vice versa. Speaking about the m
167 Mt99 : I think so too. Dont forget DFW, ORD, too.. destinations that POS pax cannot get thru CM.. CM would exploit thier South America and Colombia connecti
168 SCL767 : POS pax need better connections to Central/South American cities more than LAX or DFW. CM offers many connections at PTY, however they are lacking so
169 Yellowtail : What destinations on C.Amer. is CM lacking.....only one I can think of is BZE
170 SCL767 : That's one, however, the POS-PTY-POS flight's timing makes connecting to some other cities impossible. It will be interesting to see TACA in POS thou
171 SJOtoLIR : I would dare to quote that Liberia, Costa Rica may work within its network as they are relying in some leisure stations: Cancun, Punta Cana, Cartagen
172 2travel2know : And CM return to DAV, their 1st destination ever.
173 Ipodguy7 : Hello all, what are the chances of increased service to LCE? Are the runway/facilites acceptable for a flight from the US?
174 Yellowtail : .I have seem some privileged figures that show that there are currently 80 pax a day (avg) doing a drive from Belize to Cancun to catch FAR FAR cheape
175 SJOtoLIR : LAN system has not demonstrated any interest in Central America yet. . With respect to Goloson International MHLC/LCE, the runway 06/24 is 9677 feet
176 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Update: LAN Cargo division will initiate services to both Guatemala City and San Jose: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.ma
177 SCL767 : Yes, they will also operate cargo flights into PTY from GYE. However, I believe LAN Cargo does operate into PTY already.
178 Post contains links and images Viaggiare : Some pics from SJK which were reportedly taken last week, featuring the parrot cartel's first E90 and what seems to be a... new livery. I had a rough
179 Post contains links Viaggiare : There seems to be some sort of issue with embedded images, so here are the links to the individual files which were intended to be a part of my previo
180 SCL767 : I saw one in PTY recently and thought it was just an isolated sighting as well. However, Panama is very important for Chile; since they are the 3rd l
181 Juanchito : I have also seen Lan 767 on GUA. Juanchito
182 SJOtoLIR : I quickly checked the information available from the US DoT and it states that LAN Cargo operated five flights linking MIA-SJO during February 2008.
183 SJOtoLIR : TACA REGIONAL is not operating SJO-DAV at this time as it was commented before. However, DAV is even loaded onto TACA's website. What is happening ? T
184 Post contains links and images Viaggiare : Some tragic news being reported out of Guatemala indicates a C208 (similar to the one pictured below) operated by Aero Ruta Maya crashed near Cabañas
185 Viaggiare : Guatemalan authorities are providing updated information regarding the crash site... the doomed Caravan went down in the village of El Puente, Teculut
186 Post contains links Juanchito : RIP to all of them, 6 where from the USA and 4 from Guatemala, the 4 survivors are also from de USA. The pilot was a girl and she tried to land the a
187 Yellowtail : Very little room for error in a Caravan....
188 Viaggiare : Indeed there is, and much less so over rugged mountainous terrain. That's one of the reasons why 5C (SYQ-based local carrier Nature Air) has admitted
189 SJOtoLIR : The US DoT has reportedly announced that LAN Cargo division transported 205 643 pounds into GUA-MIA during February 2008. The conclusion is that LAN
190 Viaggiare : 16DEC05... TI-AZQ encountered a strong gust of wind and stalled on short final into TNO/MRTM. 10JAN06... TI-BAF overran the runway at PJM/MRPJ as one
191 Yellowtail : I counted 18 pax getting off the TA IAH-BZE yesterday.....while I know they have good cargo loads below, and the cartel have to keep BZE open if they
192 Viaggiare : I see your point, but by doing away with the current BZE-IAH-BZE nonstop (segment) arrangment, wouldn't the cartel be in fact surrendering whatever i
193 Yellowtail : They own very little of what is there. I know they have some travel contracts with TravelTech et al but the losses they are taking on this segment ar
194 Viaggiare : Would there be enough SAL-BZE-SAL traffic (connecting or otherwise) to support once-daily (even twice-daily on selected days to match both banks at C
195 Mt99 : Thats actually a very good idea (Cargo not taken into consideration). CO is strong at BZE because of the ability to connect pretty much anywhere at I
196 SJOtoLIR : Just for illustrative purposes... . It impressed me too much. I meant: TA has kept IAH in its radar, despite the operational [CO SAL-IAH and CO BZE-I
197 Yellowtail : Absolutely. Weekdays are pretty heavy....all business traffic...bumping occurs quite frequently...my wife has been bumped on BZE-SAL..3 times in the
198 Mt99 : Well yea.. CO has hundreds of connecting flights in IAH. How are you surpised that TA is not doing as well as it used to? When did CO start BZE?
199 Yellowtail : They had their 10 year anniverssary about 5 years ago so quite awhile. TA did not start suffering till they started following US airlines lead of str
200 SJOtoLIR : What about the equipment in those days ? Did CO ever fly to BZE using the 727s ? Regards.
201 Mt99 : Well maybe the i was mis-interpreting you - but i was under the impression that you were referring to this as a failure by TA. I call it changing mar
202 Yellowtail : Yes. Before they did N/S...they did IAH-MID-BZE-MID-IAH (with the BZE-MID bookable) and the later IAH-BZE-SAP-IAH. I call it "having the market sewn
203 Mt99 : How can TA compete with CO who has HUNDREDS of potential destinations served from IAH? How? Building a hub in Houston and proceeding to add as many d
204 2travel2know : I can see BZE becoming sort of PTY (sorry BZE) for TA. A destination bound to be flown maybe thrice daily, but in the case of BZE, with ATR and a A319
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