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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16197 times:

As the Formula 1 Grand prix circus arrives at the Silverstone race track this weekend it has been announced that from 2010 it will move to Donnington Park on a ten year package.


This poses an interesting situation....The Silverstone ATC say that this weekend, as happens every year, they become temporarily the worlds busiest airport. Its nothing new, weve heard this spectacular statement for many years due to the amazingly frequent comings and goings of helicopters and light aircraft to the centre of the race circuit.

However, when the F1 set up begins their ten year spectacular from Donnington in 2010, the circuit sits right at the end of the runway approach for EMA. So i wonder if actually EMA will become the worlds busiest airport on that annual weekend and the arriving visitors will be ferried on the local grid-locked roads or, will the air traffic go directly into Donnington Park within that ever growing final approach route into EMA?

Would be interesting to see the Google Earth images of how the two areas merge.

[Edited 2008-07-05 03:23:28]


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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16018 times:

I think JFK airport during the UN summit in September (not sure about the exact date)

User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16008 times:

Oshkosh during the Oshkosh EAA Fly-In...

ATC there is controlled chaos.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9116 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15995 times:
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Quoting NEMA (Thread starter):
the circuit sits right at the end of the runway approach for EMA.

I saw it a few times and last time I've been there they just errected some kind of a tower (for the Moto GP) which is in the departure flight path of runway 27. And the airport wasn't informed about it. They had to remove it as soon as possible. Pretty stupid...
I don't think EMA can handle too much traffic. The airport isn't too big. Will be a nice chaos there  Wink

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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15804 times:

On any individual single day for a special event almost any airport world wide becomes the busiest airport in the world for THAT day. It is quite common in the US for there to be a temporary control tower setup at auto race tracks the weekend of an event to handle the helicopter traffic.

The management at Texas Motor Speedway likes to say their track becomes the fifth largest city in Texas and the third busiest airport on NASCAR Race Day. I wonder about the population, but they sure handle a lot of landings and takeoffs on race day - over 250 per hour at some times during the day with 5 active helopads.

The US FAA sets up temporary slot reservation systems for airports serving major sporting events throughout the year. Luckily most locations have plenty of alternate airports within a short distance.

I would think US NFL football, especially the Super Bowl, would have the highest concentration of people who would use air transport. The GA and bizjet and charter traffic into a Super Bowl city is amazing - probably equal to Silverstone. But they cannot fly helicopters into the close proximity of the stadium.

As far as Oskhosh - that's is probably the airport which carries the most traffic of any airport in the world for ONE single day each year.

JFK can probably hit the most traffic of large aircraft for a single day for the UN event - because of limited parking capability - you have double operations of most of the visiting state aircraft as they land, drop their pax and fly out to their designated holding airport.

As far as Donnington and EMA - you will probably see all the helicopter traffic going to a temporary field located outside the race circuit. There will be big increases in some traffic to EMA, but a very substantial amount will be destined to other airports.

The level of traffic which the Silverstone active runway in the middle of the race course allowed will not be repeated.

[Edited 2008-07-05 06:09:47]

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15630 times:

It certainly is very busy!

I live 3-4 miles from the circuit and is HELL here and around Silverstone! All the roads are shut to non-racing traffic, and cannot get out all weekend!

Its not just Silverstone that is busy with air traffic, Turweston Aerodrome is also extremely busy about two miles from the circuit and have a private road for access purposes!

The helicopters and light aircraft start flying over from about 5am until 8pm all day Sunday and there is a lull during the race and the only highlight is the Red Arrows... There are no big airliners coming over...  Sad


User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15355 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 5):
It certainly is very busy!

I read from Googling the event that there's a take off or landing every 15 seconds on the Sunday (ecpt race time).


Gotta envy your location a bit though, not just for the circuit.



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User currently onlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1502 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

WHat about Daytona Beach for the Daytona 500.

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11306 times:



Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 7):
WHat about Daytona Beach for the Daytona 500.

Daytona has a different level of traffic, not near as much in and out short range traffic.

Silverstone is a helicopter ride from London, Birmingham or other locations, with as noted above, an extremely limited surface transportation network.

There seems to be an unusually large number of people able to afford helicopter transport to the event, besides all the race teams. While Hendrick and most other NASCAR teams have turboprop transport for their crew members to the track - they use rental cars / vans and stay at area hotels. Even the two to five Roush B727 flights use surface transportation to get to the track (families are one of these flights each week).

That doesn't happen at Silverstone - even the tire changers have to be flown in by helicopter if they are not staying in motorhomes at the track.

More people will fly more corporate jets, more private aircraft, more charters, etc to Daytona than to the F-1 race at Silverstone. But while it's a short shuttle from DAB to the track, it's a several hour surface trip to Silverstone from the airports where those type aircraft will land in the UK. So a much higher percentage of people will shuttle from their arrival airport to the track by air.

I see 38 large turboprops and jets scheduled to depart DAB this evening. That doesn't count the aircraft whose tracking is blocked - like Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, etc. (Including the 4 most active Saab 2000's in the US)

I didn't know DEI now has a ERJ-145 in their stable - looks like they've replaced one of the EMB-120's.


User currently offlineMAC26000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

I would also have to go with Oshkosh.

User currently offlineJfr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10948 times:

When we were designing the King Abdul Aziz Airport in Jeddah in the late 70's, we talked about the Haj traffic making JED the world's busiest for a time during Ramadan.

User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

No offense but are you kidding me? Oshkosh NO QUESTION.  Smile


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User currently offlineCactusHP From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9789 times:

I am very surprised that more people have not mentioned OSHKOSH. It is the busiest airport everyday, for a whole WEEK. 3 runways....3 aircraft landing at a time...probably in the range of 640 aircraft an HOUR, or ~5000 aircraft ops a day.


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Oshkosh, end of dispute.

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User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

I was at the Bahrain Formula one earlier this year, and I noticed that right behind the race track is an airfield. Its an asphalt runway and has 2 big hangers at the end of the runway. There was no activity at the airfield that I could see during the race, but am curious why its there.

The runway is about 2500 meters long and does not have a tower or anything like that. There was also no runway lighting that I could see.

Anyone know why it's there?


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7949 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 13):
Oshkosh

Where and what the hell is Oshkosh? Big grin


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7925 times:



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 2):
Oshkosh during the Oshkosh EAA Fly-In...



Quoting KPDX (Reply 11):
No offense but are you kidding me? Oshkosh NO QUESTION.



Quoting CactusHP (Reply 12):
I am very surprised that more people have not mentioned OSHKOSH.



Quoting AS739X (Reply 13):
Oshkosh, end of dispute.

Well, I think you are all wrong, since you are answering a different question. Unless Silverstone and Donnington happens to be the same weekend as Oshkosh ... and it isn't this year ... then the OP is most probably correct in that "The Silverstone ATC say that this weekend, as happens every year, they become temporarily the worlds busiest airport.".


The correct answer below  Smile

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 4):
On any individual single day for a special event almost any airport world wide becomes the busiest airport in the world for THAT day.

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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 13):
Oshkosh, end of dispute.

To be fair, i didnt intend a dispute on where the busiest airport is with this post. What does interest me is the amount of air traffic currently on race day, a flight in or out every 15 seconds, which will from 2010 be moved to Donnington and fall directly in the short final flightpath to EMA 27R approach, unless of course EMA itself takes the traffic. But then of course, you land at EMA and cant get to the race track due to the grid locked road traffic.

If you put this postcode into Google Earth DE74 2RP , that is the race track, then scan a little to the right and there is the EMA runway.

[Edited 2008-07-06 09:17:43]


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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7551 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 15):
Where and what the hell is Oshkosh?

Oshkosh is in Wisconsin, between Milwaukee and Green Bay, about 40 miles west of Lake Michidan, on the shores of Lake Winnebago which was nmed after the Indian tribe that invented the motor home. (Just kidding)

Wittman Regional Airport is the site of the annual EAA fly in, coming up fairly soon. For 3 consecutive days it is the busiest airport in the world regardless of the date.


User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7386 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
I see 38 large turboprops and jets scheduled to depart DAB this evening. That doesn't count the aircraft whose tracking is blocked - like Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, etc. (Including the 4 most active Saab 2000's in the US)

I didn't know DEI now has a ERJ-145 in their stable - looks like they've replaced one of the EMB-120's.

When the NASCAR races come into New Hampshire Motor Speedway both Laconia Mun. and Concord Mun. become mad houses. I know this because I work for the FBO that handles all the NASCAR guys at Laconia.

DEI got rid of all EMB-120's and now run two ERJ's both from Luxair. N500DE and N138DE.

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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7166 times:



Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 18):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 15):
Where and what the hell is Oshkosh?

Oshkosh is in Wisconsin, between Milwaukee and Green Bay, about 40 miles west of Lake Michidan, on the shores of Lake Winnebago which was nmed after the Indian tribe that invented the motor home. (Just kidding)

Wittman Regional Airport is the site of the annual EAA fly in, coming up fairly soon. For 3 consecutive days it is the busiest airport in the world regardless of the date.

Thanks  smile 


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7040 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 15):
Where and what the hell is Oshkosh? Big grin

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21861 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6946 times:



Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 18):
For 3 consecutive days it is the busiest airport in the world regardless of the date.

Just a slight qualification: the busiest airport in the world by movements. I'm pretty sure ATL still moves more people.

But busiest by movements is a bigger accomplishment.  Smile

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6631 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3):
I don't think EMA can handle too much traffic. The airport isn't too big.

Bigger than you think! It can handle a huge amount of cargo. Pax op's aren't fantastic but EMA is I believe third only in Europe in terms of cargo throughput, behind Leipzig and Liege.

Karl


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6527 times:



Quoting NEMA (Reply 17):
which will from 2010 be moved to Donnington and fall directly in the short final flightpath to EMA 27R approach,

No, the helicopter flights will not be in the Rwy 27 approach.

At most tracks, the helicopters land outside the track, Silverstone is an exception. Looking at the satellite photos Donnington doesn't have the infield room for a helicopter base which Silverstone has.

The helo site will probably be setup south of the paved parking area by the main grandstands - well out of the Rwy 27 flight path.

The rich and famous will have to walk a little farther than in the past, but no much.


25 Olympus69 : Thanks. I should have specified that. John.
26 EMBQA : Last I looked the Hendrick S2000 were not blocked. There are only seven S2000 in the US...all owned by NASCAR teams. 4 Hendrick, 2 Gwinn (used for ca
27 Post contains links Rampart : LOL! I take it they didn't get any royalties on motor homes, as the tribe has since moved to Nebraska and set up a casino. http://www.winnavegas.biz/
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