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Usajet DC-9 Crashes At Saltillo, Mexico  
User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32156 times:

Unfortunately I must tell you that today at 1:15 a.m. local time a USA-jet cargo DC-9 reg N199US crashed at Saltillo Int'l Airport, Mexico. The crew one is reported dead and the other is in critical condition at the hospital. Saltillo is like my hometown, I visit it every week, and I was flying at the exact time from Hermosillo to Monterrey. We passed near saltillo when we were approaching to Monterrey and weather was acceptable, even though I don't have the METAR at that time.

You can access the Spanish newspaper report here:

http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/diario/...ploma_avion_en_ramos_arizpe/189437

The DC-9 crashed in a adjacent road called "libramiento" which is a loop that surrounds the southbound border of the airport. A friend lives just a mile away from the airport and told me that he heard the loud explosion and sirens but he never though it was a crash.

This road is used by locals and 18-wheelers but since it was Saturday night, the road was clear and no people dead were reported on the ground.

It is amazing because nearby is the highly used Monterrey-Saltillo highway, I just can't imagine what would happen if that road were affected.

I will try to post the images of the Vanguardia news paper, you can access them on the following link

http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/diario/fotogalerias/189462

Here is the google earth link so you can have a view of the airport...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...37638,0.074844&t=k&z=14&iwloc=addr

According to the newspaper, the crew never checked in with the Saltillo tower, but causes of course are unknown. Saltillo has a single operational runway, it is sourrounded by mountains and it is equipped with an ILS CAT I or II. It is the base of Saltillo Jet Center, a painting facility owned in part by ExpressJet airlines, and it has been used by several airlines for painting their aircraft including XJET, ASA, VivaAerobus, JetBlue.

Hope to come back with more information as soon as I get it...

R.I.P and my prayers for the families of the crew.

[Edited 2008-07-06 07:50:19]

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User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32295 times:

Here are the photos... from Vanguardia News Paper Saltillo.

http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/XStatic/vanguardia/images/espanol/xx1.jpg
http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/XStatic/vanguardia/images/espanol/xx2.jpg
http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/XStatic/vanguardia/images/espanol/xx4.jpg
http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/XStatic/vanguardia/images/espanol/xx4.jpg

[Edited 2008-07-06 07:44:25]

User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32131 times:

Prayers to the family of the deceased, and I hope the injured crew member will mend.

That looks like a pretty awful mess.

I hate reading these things...

1011yyz



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User currently offlineMidcon385 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32044 times:

R.I.P. to the deceased crew member, and best wishes for recovery for the second crew member. It's always a real shame to read these things...

Tim  crying 



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User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 819 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 31997 times:
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I often see a USA Jet DC9 parked on the old cargo ramp at SDF. Do they run US Mail or just pure cargo for forwarders?

RIP to the deceased crew member.

John


User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31671 times:

USAJet runs both cargo and passenger charters. I flew on one of their charters in 2006. Not sure if they run separate cargo and passenger aircraft (as opposed to covertible a/c) but I suspect they do.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31571 times:

Sorry to hear that.

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 4):
I often see a USA Jet DC9 parked on the old cargo ramp at SDF.

Is the ramp even older than the planes? The crashed freighter was 41 years old.


User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 819 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 31365 times:
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Of course we do not know "why" the aircraft crashed yet but I'm sure age isn't always a factor, it's how it's maintained and how it's flown.

Cheers,
John


User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 31147 times:

My prayers are with the friends and families of the pilots.

User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1651 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 31150 times:

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of both guys right now. Weather doesn't look like it was that nice last night down there in MMIO. That is by far my least favorite airport to go into in the world believe it or not, especially at night with bad weather and being tired. During the day it is ok but even then, it is mountainous with approaches I don't like.

It's a pretty safe bet that it was hauling auto freight. JUS is a pretty good company and I know most of the guys there are proud of their operation.

Quoting David_mx (Thread starter):
The DC-9 crashed in a adjacent road called "libramiento" which is a loop that surrounds the southbound border of the airport. A friend lives just a mile away from the airport and told me that he heard the loud explosion and sirens but he never though it was a crash.

So it was on the south side of the airport? If so, they were either in the circle to land(which is a no-no for me at night) or on a go around since all approaches are from the North.



Godspeed to my fellow Freightdog and I really hope the FO does alright.



Too lazy to work, too scared to steal!
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5125 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 30839 times:



Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 7):
Of course we do not know "why" the aircraft crashed yet but I'm sure age isn't always a factor, it's how it's maintained and how it's flown.

Cheers,
John

They take good care of their old birds, and they do passenger charters as well. I suspect they were taking the plane in for painting or maintenance? The crash looks survivable when looking at the cockpit section. Very sad to hear 1 perished in the crash.

I toured one of their planes once, and was amazed at the history of it.

On a side note, it almost appears the aircraft was straight on the road. Were they perhaps trying to set her down on the road? Perhaps an emergency of some sort? Kind of reminds me of a Southern DC-9 that tried to make an emergency landing on a road in Georgia in the late 60's or early 70's. Yes I could try to look up the date, but I am too tired to do so.



I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6622 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 30748 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 10):
in the late 60's or early 70's. Yes I could try to look up the date, but I am too tired to do so.

Well, the year was 1977,

and speaking of Southern, I see this plane was with Hughes Air West & Republic, did it ever go to NW?



I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 30592 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 10):
Kind of reminds me of a Southern DC-9

That'd be Southern 242....


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 30097 times:

O wow...... USAJet is right here in YIP. I always wondered about those DC-9s

RIP


User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 29966 times:

I worked for USA Jet when they first started operations in Dec 94 with 5 DC-9 freighters. I quit the company a year later but I always kept up with how they were doing. I believe this is their first major accident in their 13 year history.

I would also like to extend my sympathies and prayers to both pilots and their families.  pray 



Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 794 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 29400 times:



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 9):
That is by far my least favorite airport to go into in the world believe it or not, especially at night with bad weather and being tired. During the day it is ok but even then, it is mountainous with approaches I don't like.

I couldn't agree more. I loved going to SLW, but hated flying in there if that makes sense. In my opinion that airport borders on dangerous and shouldn't be operating there without RNP capability. I always fealt up to the challenge, but flew with others that I fealt the procedures were beyond their abilities sometimes, e.g. because we had been flying all night prior to doing a very complicated approach.

RIP and get well to the crew.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 29266 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 11):
and speaking of Southern, I see this plane was with Hughes Air West & Republic, did it ever go to NW?

I can't say for sure, but as of 1/1/97, it was not. That's not to say that it never flew with NWA though.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 29023 times:

Well, I commuted to Saltillo in order to take some pictures, but road is closed at least 1.5 miles away from the site.

The aircraft is on the near road probably facing north, there's a crane working as we speak. From the Monterrey highway is impossible to determine where it landed, I hope to have more information. I know a bunch of people at Saltillo and hopefully will get more accurate info.

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 9):
So it was on the south side of the airport? If so, they were either in the circle to land(which is a no-no for me at night) or on a go around since all approaches are from the North.

Exactly is on the southern boundary of the airport, which I can assume it was a VOR or Visual Approach to RWY 35 circle to land RWY 17. Exactly is a no-no condition at the airport.

I was a passenger flying with Vivaaerobus from Hermosillo exactly at 1:17 a.m. since we were on descent at the direct route to MTY when we crossed in the middle of Monclova and Saltillo my seat was 17A so I had a somewhat clear view of Saltillo, and I'm pretty sure they had marginal VFR, just as MTY at the time of landing. I don't know if you can get the METAR or NOTAM at that time.

What we know now is the following:

It was a DC9 reg N199US flying from Shreveport Intl as JUS199, according to Vanguardia Newspaper it was carrying aprox 3.9 tons of cargo for the Manga Powertrain Company, also the same news paper, which by the way was the first one reporting this accident, is stating that the captain Lom McIntosh perished on the site, the first officer Christofer M. James is in critical condition at Muguerza Hospital in Saltillo.

There is a very shocking photo at this newspaper that I won't post here for respect to their families.

El norte (reforma) newspaper is stating that the aircraft "exploded" on the air which in my opinion is completely inaccurate, since we all can see the fuselage damage. Of course this is only speculation, since at the crash site no one wanted to make any type of statement.

My prayers for their families, and personnel involved on this awful accident.


User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 28882 times:

Very sad to read this terrible accident, R.I.P the crew member that died and my I hope the other crew member recovers from it's injuries soon.
Here are some METARs reports from MMIO for the last 18 hours:
MMIO 061840Z 36008KT 8SM SCT015 BKN035 22/17 A3004 RMK 8/500 HZY AC
MMIO 061740Z 36008KT 7SM SCT015 BKN030 23/17 A3004 RMK 8/500 HZY AC
MMIO 061640Z 35006KT 7SM SCT015 BKN030 22/16 A3004 RMK 8/500 HZY AC
MMIO 061540Z 35006KT 6SM SCT015 BKN030 22/16 A3004 RMK 8/500 HZY AC
MMIO 061440Z 00000KT 5SM SCT012 BKN025 20/16 A3004 RMK 8/500 HZY AC
MMIO 061340Z 00000KT 3SM BR SCT005 BKN020 OVC100 19/16 A3006 RMK 8/53/ BINOVC
MMIO 061240Z 00000KT 11/2SM BR BKN005 OVC008 17/15 A3007 RMK 8/7//
MMIO 061220Z 00000KT 1SM BR OVC004 17/15 A3005 RMK 8/7//
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO NIL
MMIO 060340Z 36006KT 8SM SCT015 SCT120 17/15 A3004 RMK 8/130 HZY CI
MMIO 060240Z 36005KT 8SM SCT015 SCT120 18/16 A3003 RMK 8/130 HZY CI
MMIO 060140Z 03005KT 8SM SCT015 SCT120 19/16 A3002 RMK 8/230 HZY CI VC RA



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 28202 times:

Freaky. This is the bird in happier times:


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RIP, our prayers are with the family.



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5125 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 28200 times:



Quoting David_mx (Reply 17):
There is a very shocking photo at this newspaper that I won't post here for respect to their families.

I saw the photo you are talking about regarding the pic of the copilot. He looks like he is very roughed up, but he appears to be alive in the photo. I sure hope he survives. The fire must have been pretty intense. I am shocked the captain did not survive, as his side of the cockpit looks in better shape than where the copilot was seated. My prayers are with the copilot.



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User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27412 times:

Are you guys talking about the picture with the fireman with the axe in his hand??

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 27226 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 11):
and speaking of Southern, I see this plane was with Hughes Air West & Republic, did it ever go to NW?

I don't think it ever operated with NW. As far as I can tell it was originally delivered to CO in October 1967. It's a DC-9-15RC built with a main deck cargo door. CO operated about 20 of that model. This one was leased to Southern for 2 months in 1972 and then went to Hughes Airwest in 1973 which merged with Republic in 1980. Since 1984 it appears to have been operated only by cargo carriers, first Purolator Courier from 1984 to 1987, then Emery Worldwide from 1987 to 1996, and since then with USA Jet Aitlines. It's had 4 registrations since new. N8910, N9350, N567PC, and N199US.

[Edited 2008-07-06 14:50:42]

User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1963 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26712 times:

Saltillo is an extremely challenging airport to operate in and out of. There is little room for error, it probably ranks up there in the top 5 or 10 most challenging airports with 121 service in north america.

Condolences to the family of the deceased, and a speedy recovery to F.O. James.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26271 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):

I don't think it ever operated with NW.

Correct - here is its history:

Built: 13.10.67
N8910 Continental AL 18.10.67
Southern AW lsd 24.06.72
N9350 Hughes Airwest 07.06.73
Republic AL mgd 01.10.80
Purolator Courier 14.09.84
N567PC Purolator Courier rr 03.85
Emery Worldwide AL mgd 21.09.87
N199US USA Jet AL 01.07.96

(from www.airlinerlist.com)

Cheers
micha


25 Post contains links KarlB737 : CNN's Report: American Pilot Killed In USA Jet DC9-15 Crash In Mexico http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...7/06/mexico.plane.crash/index.html This r
26 Tb727 : Well, vice-versa, but yes that is generally what we do during the day, make an approach to 17, circle usually East of the airport for 35. At night, w
27 DavestanKSAN : Sorry to hear about this sad news. RIP to the pilot, thoughts with his family. I hope the FO makes a full and speedy recovery. Dave
28 JRodriguez136 : Very sad to hear these type of accidents. I do know that USA Jet has been doing a lot of charters from SJU to PUJ and SDQ the past couple of weeks. Ho
29 Allpress : My condolences to the family of the captain... may he rest in peace we all hope that the FO makes a full speedy recovery.. cam
30 David_mx : I stand corrected, It is the common approach used VOR 17 circle to land 35. The Libramiento Road is located EAST from RWY 17/35. I wasn't able to tak
31 Clipperno1 : Terrible accident. RIP lost Freightdog. Too many young cargo pilots losing their lives in Mexico.
32 Aogdesk : Thoughts and prayers to the family, friends & co-workers of the deceased captain. Its really a shame that unless an airplane is filled with American p
33 Jetjeanes : Was this the plane they painted to look like a souther plane in the movie about the marshal football team, they only painted one side
34 Richierich : Wow - I wondered which plane was used for that movie. If that turns out to be true, that would be a horrible irony!
35 CAL764 : OMG, that would be CRAZY man!
36 Burnsie28 : Engine trouble on final approach. Age wouldn't have been an issue.
37 Post contains links and images A340Spotter : Negative. N195US was the plane used for the We Are Marshall film... View Large View MediumPhoto © Agustin Anaya JSD Condolences to the USA Jet f
38 Richierich : Thank you for the info. Its not that I am relieved - that would be the wrong word during such a tragedy - however that would have been a horrible twi
39 Litz : What makes Southern 242 even more tragic is that they made a perfect touchdown on Hwy 92, right on the double-yellow ... the problem was, the wings w
40 Britmex : Just a question to Clipperno1 How many American cargo pilots have been killed recently in Mexico???? I found your remark quite strange. I'm a Cessna 1
41 F9Animal : Does anyone have any late word on the copilot? I am going to assume at this point he is still fighting for his life. I sure hope he pulls out and reco
42 Adriaticus : Coahuila state government officials (owners of SLW Plan de Guadalupe airport) as well as airport offcials held a press conference in which they insist
43 Clipperno1 : My statement has nothing to do with conditions in Mexico, but rather with the rostering and duty policies at some 135/121 cargo operators in the US.
44 AM744 : BTW. Under whose authority will this accident be investigated? DGAC and FAA? Will we ever see the report?
45 Post contains links RFields5421 : The FAA does not investigate accidents of this type - the National Transportation Safety Board is a separate agency which does investigations. The NT
46 F9Animal : Oh yes, I am really hoping he pulls out of this! Thanks for the update. Please keep us informed. I am hoping the prayers are working!!!!
47 LH498 : And this being an American airplane operated by an American airline, made in the US leads automatically to the NTSB to team up with the Mexican DGAC
48 RFields5421 : I've looked over several summaries in the NTSB database involving crashes in Mexico. All end the same way Almost never a probable cause, seldom techni
49 Pzurita1 : That sounds very weird, but I guess is the translation from República Mexicana. pZZ
50 2H4 : According to the DGAC site, they have indeed accepted the assistance of the NTSB. It's not clear to what extent, though. 2H4
51 Britmex : Ok got it Clipperno1: I don't want again to forward anything but considering working conditions in many cargo airlines you have a good point. I person
52 Tb727 : It is true, there is nothing worse than pulling a long day and night into Mexico. I cringe thinking about all the times I had to do the same thing th
53 F9Animal : Do we have any word on the latest condition of the copilot? I have been checking everyday to see if he is pulling through. I just can't find anything!
54 B727LVR : This is sad news. I'm sure no one ever wants to read about. I am gonna really want to read the final report. Just look at all the different takes on w
55 MTYFREAK : Here's a new video from a surveillance camera.
56 4holer : There's no way that plane is doing what it LOOKS like it is doing, right?
57 KPDX : What the HELL! Is it actually rolling? No way.
58 LH498 : Thanks for sharing the video with us, MTYFREAK It's very dramatic to watch... What has caught my attention is the little flash before the attitude of
59 Ghost77 : For sure yeah, some kind of an engine explosion there. g77
60 LH498 : I would dare to speculate the following chain of events: A failure(technical/non-technical) -- Go-around -- Compressor stall -- Perhaps another failu
61 AndrewUber : While there's no way to see if it's possible from this video, perhaps the wing caught a power line and severed it. That will cause a bright, quick fl
62 Litz : I can't imagine, if that thing is rolling like that, that they didn't at the very least have a compressor stall ... That is just freaky to watch ....
63 JBirdAV8r : Oh my God. That video sent a chill up my spine.
64 4holer : Video no longer available. After only 206 views, that was fast... Edit: Ok, now it works Looks like it clips wires AFTER the roll had started?[Edited
65 KPDX : I still see it. No kidding.
66 F9Animal : Is this the Usajet?
67 MTYFREAK : That's Affirmative sir
68 F9Animal : Wow, amazing. It is hard to tell, but control certainly was lost. Thank goodness it did not crash into a residential area. More lives could have been
69 MTYFREAK : That's been my permanent concern about Mexico City airport MMMX.
70 Post contains links COTPARampGuy : First post here but here's another video. http://link.brightcove.com/services/...?bclid=1452199629&bctid=1659857952
71 Pmk : God that is a horrifying video.... I won't even begin to guess what happened there but my thoughts to the family and the good people at USAJet. I've m
72 F9Animal : " target=_blank>http://link.brightcove.com/services/...57952 This video is a little better in terms of what was going on. I dont think they rolled, b
73 Ghost77 : It's a miracle!!! Since the 1980s nothing serious has happened, but hopefully nothing happens for the following years, because it will be a major dis
74 SXI899 : The maneuvers of the aircraft as seen in the second video remind me of those of the Delta DC-9-14 that crashed at Fort Worth in 1972. That was, (simpl
75 B727LVR : I agree it looks like they did stall. It looked like they tried to initiate a go-around, then right engine compressor-stalled, or something, lost powe
76 Tb727 : That's what I was thinking. If I recall, winds weren't reported to be anything significant. It was also forecast to be quite foggy not long after thi
77 B727LVR : Yeah, the last I heard was that his family was with him, waiting for him to be stable enough to move to an US hospital. He is predicted to make a ful
78 F9Animal : That is good to hear he is expected to fully recover. Has there been any talk about moving the airport away from the populated area? It is not a matt
79 JBirdAV8r : I'll agree with the stall theory. I couldn't see how they could get roll rates rapidly left-right like that without it...then again, I've never flown
80 FLY2HMO : Having re-played both videos many times already I'm thinking the flash is nothing more than the belly strobe/beacon. In the first video the flash seem
81 B727LVR : Same here. But it looked like things were going ok, even tho the bank angle looked a little steep, until the engine crapped out.
82 F9Animal : Plus, I understand that a stall is easier to achieve in the DC-9 Series 10 series, perhaps someone can share some expertise in this area. I also have
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