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A340-600 For Shenzhen/Hainan Air?  
User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Leaving Hong Kong on my Cathay Pacific Flight today, I noticed an A340 (A346???) near the HAECO hangar down near the end of the runway, it looked like it was in the livery of Hainan Airlines (new livery) or Shenzhen Airlines new livery but I couldn't get a good look at it...anyone help out? I could have sworn it was an A340 (and no, it wasn't an Oasis 747 floating around down there!)

I thought Hainan had ordered A340's for new service to the US so thats why I thought that...


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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

There is a Hainan A340-600 I cannot remember if it was from Cathay Pacific or another airline. However, from what I understand it will be used on the route to Brussels continuing to Boston.

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...pplication-hainan-air-beijing.html

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...?type=blog&ak=51075520.blog&csp=34

[Edited 2008-07-06 09:16:14]

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

Must be B-6510 , ex B-HQC which is in full Hainan Al cs at Hong Kong.

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

There was a thread on this afew weeks ago however it was deleted. There is a picture of the Hainan A346 floating around however it's on the 'other' website unfortunately so can't post the link.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

These are the former CX a/c that were considered overweight and replaced by 77W's. Hope this helps.

Hunter



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6475 times:



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
These are the former CX a/c that were considered overweight

They are not just "considered" overweight, they are overweight. :P

Only HQC has left the fleet. The other 2 are still flying.



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User currently offlineKelual From Spain, joined Jul 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

B-HQC seems to be going fo Iberia. Any confirmation?

User currently offlineCalvin99 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5788 times:



Quoting Kelual (Reply 6):
B-HQC seems to be going fo Iberia. Any confirmation?

It is confirmed that HQC will be going to Hainan Airlines. The subject aircraft has been painted to Hainan Airline livery and it is the aircraft that SQ452 saw during the departure from Hong Kong.

Also, I don't think HQC is overweight, only QA and QB are. Both QA and QB will be leaving the fleets within this year.


User currently offlineKelual From Spain, joined Jul 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

I guess the information given by airfleets is incorrect then...

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5655 times:



Quoting Calvin99 (Reply 7):
It is confirmed that HQC will be going to Hainan Airlines.

Are all three going to Hainan?

Quoting Calvin99 (Reply 7):
Also, I don't think HQC is overweight, only QA and QB are.

What is the difference in weight between the two versions of the a346?



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User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5615 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 1):
However, from what I understand it will be used on the route to Brussels continuing to Boston.

Really? first time I hear about Hainan flying to BOS via BRU?


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5557 times:

thanks everyone, I thought it was for Hainan Airlines which explains why it was hanging out down by the HAECO hangar in HKG. It would be great if they started BOS service as its about...oooh, a few years overdue since they announced it!

On another note, quite sad to see all the Oasis aircraft scattered around the airport in HKG. someone will snatch them up shortly I imagine.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5324 times:

Rumors has it that Hainan Airlines to get 2 A345 (Beijing - NYC?)

Guess they´ll buy them from TG or JJ.

//Micke  Smile



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8863 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5284 times:



Quoting SQ452 (Thread starter):
I noticed an A340 (A346???) near the HAECO hangar down near the end of the runway, it looked like it was in the livery of Hainan Airlines (new livery) or Shenzhen Airlines new livery but I couldn't get a good look at it...anyone help out?

That is correct, as I said in this thread before http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...earchid=4046829&s=B-6510#ID4046829

"B-HQC has already been repainted down in MNL, it now is registered B-6510 with the Hainan Airlines paint scheme. Hainan should then be getting HQA in Oct, and HQB in Dec."

Since I posted that, it was ferried back to HKG for further work.

Quoting Calvin99 (Reply 7):
Also, I don't think HQC is overweight, only QA and QB are. Both QA and QB will be leaving the fleets within this year.

They are all overweight compared to current build A340NG aircraft.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 9):
What is the difference in weight between the two versions of the a346?

The aircraft CX leased were early production line aircraft, they were several tonnes over current build A340-600HGW aircraft, with lower payload and MTOW capability.

That being said, they still had a better payload lift ability than any CX 744 passenger aircraft, and burned about 2,000 kg less fuel an hour than a 744, and went a lot further. They had made us a lot of money, and opened up services that were not previously possible.

They are also the best payload performer in our fleet out of JNB.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8277 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5181 times:
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Cathay got the three A340-600 for the HKG to JFK route nonstop. Cathay's JFK service had been via Vancouver with a 744.

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8863 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5094 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 14):
Cathay got the three A340-600 for the HKG to JFK route nonstop. Cathay's JFK service had been via Vancouver with a 744.

CX888 still is a 744 service HKG-YVR-JFK return, will be changed to 77W sometime this year. All CX 744 passenger services to North America should cease next year.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5000 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
burned about 2,000 kg less fuel an hour than a 744

Are you sure? 2t PER HOUR less - that's 20% lower than the B744? That's a rather lot.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8863 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4989 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
Are you sure? 2t PER HOUR less - that's 20% lower than the B744? That's a rather lot.

Yes that is correct, the 77W is a little better still.



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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

My friend Daryl Chapman tells me its back to B-HQC again, on stickers since July 5th.

Regards.


User currently offlineThrawn From British Virgin Islands, joined Mar 2002, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

I bet CX will be glad to see the back of the 346's
All 3 of them were airbus's best friday specials!!!!

Champagne corks will be popping at all CX's, engineering line stations when the last one has finally limped out of HKG


User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4570 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 13):
burned about 2,000 kg less fuel an hour than a 744



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
2t PER HOUR less - that's 20% lower than the B744?

Zeke and Cloudyapple ... please help me to figure this out, I'm by no means any kind of expert on aircraft, but somehow those numbers just don't work out for me. I'm going to use numbers for RR-powered 744s at the highest numbers quoted on the Boeing website (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7474sec2.pdf) -- numbers rounded off for ease of calculation.

Based on the figures above, on a typical 13-hour flight HKG - JNB (I originally come from JNB, so I fly this route most often), the A346 will burn approximately 26 tons of fuel less than a 744 -- that I can bend my mind around.

Going back to highschool algebra, and I know that's a dangerous thing to do, if that 26 tons of fuel is 20% of the total fuel burn of a 744 on that flight, then that means that the 744 burns 130 tons of fuel over the course of the flight, and the A346 burns 105 tons.

With all the reserve fuel requirements, I'm sure we're looking at a fuel upload in excess of 150t on the 744. OEW is 183t for the aircraft, and MTOW is 396t. OEW plus mission fuel comes to 333t, leaving us with a 63t payload.

300 pax at an estimated 100kg/pax (pax + baggage) gives us 30t ... leaving 33t for cargo ...

Do the OEW weights quoted by Boeing include airline-specific fittings (seats, galleys etc)? Or are they quoted for "green" aircraft?

I guess what I'm trying to say is I struggle to see how it's possible to make the flight work if the aircraft if burning in excess of 120t of fuel. Not just in terms of the cost of fuel, but also in terms of how restricted the flight must be in how much payload it can carry.

Of course, the return flight must be even worse, given the altitude and heat in JNB ...

Boy! I'm glad I'm not in load-planning at an airline!

TIA
Bren



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8863 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4487 times:



Quoting Brenintw (Reply 20):

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