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Full List Of 2009 GSA Travel Contracts   
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

At least all the news is not bad for the US airline industry.

GSA Commercial Airfare Contracts 2009

Source:

http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/con...tentId=24686&contentType=GSA_BASIC

Rank by Monitary Value

United Airlines ~ $ 663,499,140
Delta ~ $ 641,060,023
American Airlines ~ $ 515,115,892
US Airways ~ $ 317,710, 645
Northwest Airlines ~ $ 130,094,719
Alaska Airlines ~ $ 53,989,947
Airtran Airways ~ $ 47,318,048
Frontier Airlines ~ $ 22,990,845
Midwest Express Airlines ~ $ 15,035,122
JetBlue Airlines ~ $ 9,777,202
Virgin Airlines ~ $ 7, 778,821
Mesa Airlines ~ $ 3,384,360

Notice that Hawaiian Airlines, Southwest Airlines, and Spirit are not included in the above

[Edited 2008-07-06 10:59:29]

[Edited 2008-07-06 10:59:45]

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User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

It is interesting that Continental is not listed here at all. Do they choose not to bid for these Government Contracts?

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9251 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Thread starter):
Hawaiian Airlines

The Feds used go! between the islands this year and it look like next year as well.

Quoting Scorpy (Reply 1):
It is interesting that Continental is not listed here at all. Do they choose not to bid for these Government Contracts?

CO and WN do not bid for the contracts.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9221 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
CO and WN do not bid for the contracts.

I knew about Continental, but I did not know about Southwest Airlines.

Thank you for the information ..  thumbsup 

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
The Feds used go! between the islands this year and it look like next year as well

Does Hawaiian Airlines abstain from voting as Continental Airlines does?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9215 times:



Quoting Scorpy (Reply 1):
It is interesting that Continental is not listed here at all. Do they choose not to bid for these Government Contracts?

Indeed, some airlines such as Continental, Southwest and others opt not to compete for such business and instead prefer to keep and market their seats at whatever the going market rates are at the time.

The GSA travel award basically tie airline into the fixed rates, and the subsequent loss of the associated seat inventory which while guaranteed business can end up being lower yielding then what an airline might be able to garner on the open market.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9156 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 3):
Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
The Feds used go! between the islands this year and it look like next year as well

Does Hawaiian Airlines abstain from voting as Continental Airlines does?

I don't know actually, doesn't look like the feds had any preferred pricing between the islands in 2007

http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/con...tentId=21224&contentType=GSA_BASIC

HW had contracts in place in 2006, 2005

http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/con...tentId=19493&contentType=GSA_BASIC

http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/con...tentId=19493&contentType=GSA_BASIC

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Southwest

Although that is kind of a new thing for WN as they have, as recently as 2007, had government contracts.



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User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9044 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Indeed, some airlines such as Continental, Southwest and others opt not to compete for such business and instead prefer to keep and market their seats at whatever the going market rates are at the time.

The GSA travel award basically tie airline into the fixed rates, and the subsequent loss of the associated seat inventory which while guaranteed business can end up being lower yielding then what an airline might be able to garner on the open market.

and I suppose as its a fixed price for a year, its another form of hedging, if fuel goes down, they make a better profit, if it goes up, then these routes could become loss making.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

How and when do the airlines actually get awarded?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8926 times:



Quoting Scorpy (Reply 6):
The GSA travel award basically tie airline into the fixed rates, and the subsequent loss of the associated seat inventory which while guaranteed business can end up being lower yielding then what an airline might be able to garner on the open market.

and I suppose as its a fixed price for a year, its another form of hedging, if fuel goes down, they make a better profit, if it goes up, then these routes could become loss making.

Actually fuel isnt a problem, those fares that are quoted exclude the fuel surcharges.

As an example....

ORD-ATLs preferred carrier is UA.

Unrestricted fare is $143, capacity controlled is $110, that includes federal, state and local taxes. To that fare you add Passenger Facility Charges, Segment Fees, and Passenger Security Service Fees as well as a fuel surcharge of $65. The fuel surcharge can go up at any time, all the government requires is that the new fuel surcharge is not more then the commercially charged fuel surcharge and that the new surcharge cannot go into effect for government fares untill 14 days after it is announced.


http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/con...ep%2Fprogram%2FgsaBasic.jsp&P=FBC5



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User currently offlineCrewchief From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

I don't mean to be indelicate, but given the current economic environment I have a question: What happens if the contract carrier, for whatever reason, is no longer able to provide transportation on a given city pair? Is the city pair open for a new bid, does the #2 bidder get the business, or are government employees then free to take any carrier?

User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8624 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 8):
Actually fuel isnt a problem, those fares that are quoted exclude the fuel surcharges.

As an example....

ORD-ATLs preferred carrier is UA.

Unrestricted fare is $143, capacity controlled is $110, that includes federal, state and local taxes. To that fare you add Passenger Facility Charges, Segment Fees, and Passenger Security Service Fees as well as a fuel surcharge of $65. The fuel surcharge can go up at any time, all the government requires is that the new fuel surcharge is not more then the commercially charged fuel surcharge and that the new surcharge cannot go into effect for government fares untill 14 days after it is announced

Thanks for the info.. Didn't realize the fuel surcharges were outside the contract. Of course i'm glad the US carries don't do a QF and have $1 fares and $1,000,000,000,000,000 fuel surcharges


User currently offlinePanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

I don't really see how any airline in this day and age can bet, or bid on air fares nearly a half year ahead of the start of the contract period, then hold them fixed, save for a fuel surcharge, for another 12 months. How can you possible guess what the competition will be on the routes you're bidding on, let alone guess what your own operations might look like, that far down the road? It seems to me these are big gambles, although I know Southwest and Continental let it be known they wouldn't be bidding on them, for whatever reason.

Currently, as an example of the couple hundred routes UA has the contracts, from IAD to SFO, LAX, and ORF, the one-way "YCA" fares are $545, $174, and $488, respectively, with a $65 fuel surcharge on each fare. Obviously, here, the SFO and ORF routes are, or are almost monopolies, with LAX more competitve.

Now, if UA wants those routes for government travelers starting October 1, in the March/April timeframe it has to decide on a fixed base rate for October 1 through next September 30 application, and then wait to add on a fuel surcharge with a base date of March/April? The fuel surcharge would be totally separate from any other UA fuel surcharge, or could they simply add on anything that comes off the top of their corporate heads?

Related, how do all the other fees figure in on these contract fare tickets? Does a YCA fare entitle the government traveler to a fee-free choice of economy seat, including the EconomyPlus section, fee-free baggage, fee-free beverages, etc.? How about on the VCA, LCA, QCA, whatever, "capacity-controlled" fares that are also up for bids?


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

Do these contracts include international travel as well?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6000 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5535 times:



Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 12):
Do these contracts include international travel as well?

Yes, although just like domestic contracts, they do not cover every destination. Also you can bid your codeshare flights, for example LAX-SYDs preferred carrier is AA (meaning you fly the AA codeshare flights on QF.)

Quoting Panova98 (Reply 11):
Related, how do all the other fees figure in on these contract fare tickets? Does a YCA fare entitle the government traveler to a fee-free choice of economy seat, including the EconomyPlus section, fee-free baggage, fee-free beverages, etc.? How about on the VCA, LCA, QCA, whatever, "capacity-controlled" fares that are also up for bids?

Depends on the airline, AA waved the first bag fee this year US didn't. Basically all of these fares are fully refundable and flexible just like a full Y class ticket, if you can plan ahead you can almost always find a cheaper ticket that is commercially available however if your traveling last minute or cant plan ahead the government fares are always cheaper then a full Y ticket.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5819 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5494 times:



Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 12):
Do these contracts include international travel as well?

Yes, From the press release
The U.S. General Services Administration (GSA) today awarded one-year contracts, valued at more than $2.4 billion, to 12 airlines for 4,303 domestic and 1,199 international “City Pairs.”

California's separate government fare program likewise includes international fares for state employees.



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3145 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5438 times:



Quoting Panova98 (Reply 11):
I don't really see how any airline in this day and age can bet, or bid on air fares nearly a half year ahead of the start of the contract period, then hold them fixed, save for a fuel surcharge, for another 12 months.

Apart from this summer and later this year with capacity declines, haven't fares been more or less constant for the last 5 years? If they are allowed a fuel surcharge, wouldn't that solve any problem of volatile costs? I can't see volatility that isn't connected to fuel. Am I missing something?

-Rampart


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4994 times:
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Quoting Lambert747 (Thread starter):
Virgin Airlines ~ $ 7, 778,821

Virgin Airlines...as in Virgin America? Somehow, that one caught me off guard! I suppose Rep. Wexler would enjoy mood lighting with his cocaine...




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