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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Does anyone know of an authoritative source that has current or past aircraft routings for airlines in the USA, especially Southwest? I'm interested in the likes of LAS-BHM-JAX-FLL, etc.

I don't need random routes here and there, but rather a complete, definitive list for one or more airlines.

Any suggestions?

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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2779 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Any suggestions?

Unfortunately I don't think you'll find what you're looking for. Airlines will rotate their planes all over their systems, and most typically there is no "plan" or "list" for it. I suppose some people in dark rooms come up with it 48-72 hours ahead of time, and that's it. About the only aircraft routings you could even hope to find days in advance would be those of widebodies. Fewer of them, fewer routes, and given their turn times you can usually guess which aircraft will turn where.



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User currently offlineDaCubbyBearBar From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Actually, Southwest does have set scheduled lines of flying for all of their planes for each day of the week. All does not go according to plan as there are always maintenance issues, ATC, and weather issues that are dealt with. I am of the belief that all airlines have a set schedule where aircraft rotate through the lines. The lines are set, but not the aircraft.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2695 times:



Quoting DaCubbyBearBar (Reply 2):
The lines are set, but not the aircraft.

That was going to be my question to the OP, since I'm one of those "dark room" types.

Are you asking about historical specific aircraft number assignments, or are you asking about historical airport stops on an aircraft's daily travels?


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2670 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Are you asking about historical specific aircraft number assignments, or are you asking about historical airport stops on an aircraft's daily travels?

Sorry, I wish I had been more clear. I need a list of scheduled "lines" - with the understanding that things happen. I'm looking for say WN123 MSY-HOU-ABQ-LAX. (completely made up) with or without the flight numbers.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2612 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 4):
Sorry, I wish I had been more clear. I need a list of scheduled "lines" - with the understanding that things happen. I'm looking for say WN123 MSY-HOU-ABQ-LAX. (completely made up) with or without the flight numbers.

That kind of thing changes from one published schedule change to the next, and I'd have no idea where you could see historical data on it, not publicly anyways...


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2574 times:



Quoting DaCubbyBearBar (Reply 2):
I am of the belief that all airlines have a set schedule where aircraft rotate through the lines. The lines are set, but not the aircraft.

Not always true... AA tries to pair Crew and equipment to avoid delays to crew due to ATC/WX/MX delays...



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User currently offlineUSAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

I get what you saying....

Don't know the flight # but loaded this one the other day.

WN???? PHL-HOU-ABQ-LAX It might be slightly wrong but i'm pretty sure that was the routing.


User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2369 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 4):
Sorry, I wish I had been more clear. I need a list of scheduled "lines" - with the understanding that things happen. I'm looking for say WN123 MSY-HOU-ABQ-LAX. (completely made up) with or without the flight numbers.

That kind of thing changes from one published schedule change to the next, and I'd have no idea where you could see historical data on it, not publicly anyways...

Short of looking at the published time table on an airline's website (or OAG) and doing a lot of leg work of piecing it together (trying to match gates and times) there is no way for the public to get that info.


User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 688 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

One of my former jobs was aircraft router with a major airline many years ago, but it is still basically the same.

The airline sets up a set of lines or rotations so that an aircraft which starts at the beginning winds up at the end and starts all over again. The primary purpose of this system is to ensure that all of the flight schedule is covered but all scheduled maintenance can be done within that rotation, usually on an overnight basis at designated maintenance stations. In addition, there are often sub-fleets that are restricted as to performance or equipment which limits their use to certain flights, and there are others which may have more capability which allows them to be used with more flexibility.

Also, as noted above, you may start off with one plan for the next three days, but weather, ATC, crew problems, mechanical problems, etc can make the entire flow of individual aircraft assignments change. It is really like a 3-4 dimensional chess game.

Some airlines do try to pair flight crews with a certain aircraft during a day of flying in order to lessen disruptions at hubs when there are delays, but that generally has an efficiency cost. In other words, if you stay with the same aircraft and crew, the crew will be the defining factor, and you will lose some of the efficiency of the aircraft, as it is capable of being much more flexible generally than the crew, due to restrictive crew duty/flight time requirements.

Each operational day will have its own unique results as numerous changes and adjustments are made to aircraft assignments.


User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

go to departedflights.com.

go to "complete airline timetables from the past."

go to "Delta Airlines December 1983 timetable"

go to "pgs. 135-137 flight routings by flight number."

And there you will see Delta's flight routings from that period of time, and what type of aircraft was used.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting BooDog (Reply 10):
go to departedflights.com.

go to "complete airline timetables from the past."

go to "Delta Airlines December 1983 timetable"

go to "pgs. 135-137 flight routings by flight number."

And there you will see Delta's flight routings from that period of time, and what type of aircraft was used.

I need relatively recent data. I need each effective schedule from October 2007 through March 2008. An updated version of this would be great!
http://www.antonakis.co.uk/flights/WN.txt


User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 688 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Some airlines may be very reluctant to provide this data. It is proprietary. Also, not all may keep it for very long, such as 90 days, and then destroy it.

If you are doing an academic project for this, you should have checked to see if this was readily available before hand. If you are doing it for business reasons, then they definitely won't release it.


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