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Could Another Airline Buy F9?  
User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

It seems like F9 has a solid customer base (myself included), newer planes, solid presence at DEN and across the country...just being troubled financially. So, simply, would it be logical for another airline to come in and buy off the assets of Frontier? If so, who would it be?


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User currently offlineAA388 From Puerto Rico, joined Sep 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5080 times:

this is complete bs but maybe virgin america ? they have fleet comonality and similar? products?


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5051 times:

I guess JetBlue might. It would give them a much needed western hub (well, more western than JFK or BOS, that's for sure, and LGB doesn't cut the mustard). And I bet that they could buy assets out of bankruptcy court pretty cheap, too.

It's a shame, as I really like Frontier's livery. But a good liver cannot keep an airline going.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5033 times:

I would rather bet on Independence Air Holdings buying F9 Big grin


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4995 times:

Maybe CO will buy Frontier......again  duck   duck 


yep.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4949 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):
Maybe CO will buy Frontier......again

Goodness knows, they could use a hub at DEN. Gordon Bethune has been quoted, I believe, as saying that closing DEN was one of the most painful decisions they had to make, and that while it had to be done, they'd regretted it ever since.

But yeah, a hub for CO at DEN would sure facilitate codeshares with United there.

But I'd just assume never seen an Airbus with a golden globe on the tail..... ever.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4877 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4866 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):


Maybe CO will buy Frontier......again



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):


But yeah, a hub for CO at DEN would sure facilitate codeshares with United there.

When CO joins Star, they'll "have" a hub at DEN, UA's. CO won't be looking at F9. With so many airlines back's against the wall these days, I don't see any airline seriously looking so spend the $$$ on Frontier, with the possible exception of B6, and that's a long shot.



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User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

[quote=AA388,reply=1]this is complete bs but maybe virgin america ? they have fleet comonality and similar? products?
That all depends on how long Virgin decides it wants to fly. It might be the do or die move. Virgin's cross country flying is probably not going to make money anytime soon, a central hub might just be what they need. Same planes, engines, loyal customer base, mountain destinations. It all boils down to $$$.
-max[/qu


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

I dont know if jetBlue wants to buy another airline or not. But if they did buy Frontier, I think they would take the DEN hub and make the hub a focus city. I believe Frontier is getting A320s in the fleet...and also I heard that B6 wants to get A319s/A321s on the forum here on a. net.

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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Keep in mind, UA has cut back their domestic fleet like crazy - particularly the 73s (i.e. mid-size stuff). DEN was almost entirely served by said mid-sized stuff. You would think that routes that are appropriate for mid-size service would be a good fit there. For example, I can see WN picking up some slack in DEN.

The point being, whether it be CO or JetBlue or anyone else, it may be fairly



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Someone could, but lets look at this.

1. jetBlue is in financial difficulties themselves

2. Southwest is eating away at the DEN market like crazy

3. Nobody will want to take on F9's debt burdens, especially now.

4. F9 has been losing money for quite sometime, so their business plan this day in age is flawed, which sucks.



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User currently offlineDerridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Wow. Just checked on my bookings on Frontier and OKC is going back to Lynx Q400 service this fall. Where are they cutting or redeploying from?

User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

I'd be very surprised if another carrier bought F9. Maybe someone will pick up some available asset here and there, but not the carrier as a whole. Why would they?

I know, there is a loyal customer base (small and used to paying rock bottom fares), unique culture, modern fleet (mostly leased now, I think they sold the planes they did own), but bottom line they are losing money and don't bring much to the table. Just MHO.


User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

I wonder what would happen if someone decided to come into DEN and buy F9, would UA ditch their hub? That is probably the only scenario that it could work. There is no point in hubbing at DEN with two other major players. It's hard to think how UA is going to maintain a presence at DEN with all those 737's being retired unless they load up on RJ's.

User currently offlineVoltage From United States of America, joined May 2007, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Any chance of WN buying part of F9?

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4394 times:



Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):
It's hard to think how UA is going to maintain a presence at DEN with all those 737's being retired unless they load up on RJ's.

They are back filling some of the flights with Rjs, however realise that UA has 250 757/A320 series aircraft to spit among its 5 hubs.



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4344 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
But I'd just assume never seen an Airbus with a golden globe on the tail..... ever.

Like this?


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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Not going to happen. Sure, theoretically another carrier could purchase F9, but why would they?

A purchase of F9 by another domestic carrier is reckless and irresponsible in todays operating environment as other airlines try to avoid BK. The only profitable domestic carriers with the ability to purchase F9 are WN and maybe G4, and neither have much in common with F9.



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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4308 times:



Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):
It's hard to think how UA is going to maintain a presence at DEN with all those 737's being retired unless they load up on RJ's.

United will fill in RJs on some of its 737 routes. If they drop those frequencies all together they will have much smaller feed for the international routes. Their international stuff is often profitable and they need to fill those flights. Since DEN does not have much in the way of international, you gota get passengers to ORD, IAD, SFO, and LAX. Count on RJs to do more of the MCI/OMA/SLC/ICT/PXH and smaller cities that used to get mainline to allow mainline to do DEN-hub to feed the heavies going overseas.

B concourse will not become a ghost town anytime soon.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4287 times:



Quoting AA388 (Reply 1):
this is complete bs but maybe virgin america ? they have fleet comonality and similar? products?

That would be really interesting but from what i've heard Virgin America isn't doing well enough right now to be financially able to buy F9, but that would be a very nice growth for Virgin America.

I honestly see Jet Blue buying/merging with them, similar product and planes would make it really easy for them to merge, plus Jet Blue would get access to all the Frontier routes which would add nicely to their existing routes as well as bring them to more western cities.

Another possibility is for F9 to be broken up and sold in different parts, maybe WN buying some of their route slots and B6 and Virgin America buying some of the aircraft etc.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4269 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
But a good liver cannot keep an airline going.

Yes, but as someone who knows a few people who drank too much, a good liver can help keep a human going!  Smile



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User currently offlineEugdjinn From United States of America, joined May 2008, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Wouldn't the most interesting be a buy out of Frontier by United? If they sold Lynx to Skywest they'd have someone with Q400's for the mountain routes, and pick up the Airbuses to backfill some of the 737's. They probably wouldn't need the gates, but...

Maybe it's better for UA to grab aircraft and routes from a chapter 7, but... it seems the quickest way to protect the hub - buy the troubled competitor.

Just a thought.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Speaking of Lynx,how about the new reorganized Frontier being a solely DH4 operator out of Denver within the Star Alliance. They could do a Horizon and find a niche for themselves.

User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4121 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 22):
Speaking of Lynx,how about the new reorganized Frontier being a solely DH4 operator out of Denver within the Star Alliance. They could do a Horizon and find a niche for themselves.

That is what I said in another thread, ditch all the airbuses and feed other airlines, that pretty much guarentees profit, i'm sure theres plenty of legacies itching for turboprop feed.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

Nobody wants to be the 3rd hub in Denver. Everybody wants less capacity in the air in this environment. Additionally, Frontier doesnt really own anything valuable. Denver is piecemeal taking their gates back which is their only real unique asset.

United and Southwest are the only potential buyers as a means of eliminating competition and neither will buy Frontier unless it appears they will somehow exit CH11 and survive to keep fighting them. I think that is called a prisoner's dilemma.

Lynx, on the other hand, will probably survive in some form feeding another airline.


25 Richierich : Simply put, nobody has that kind of money to spend right now. I'm sure there might be an airline or two that would purchase some of F9's assets for t
26 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : United isnt sending any additional heavies overseas anytime soon from DEN. Whats the status on LHR? B concourse wont be a ghost town because southwes
27 STT757 : It would be nice to see a CO hub in Denver once again, how they get there I don't know. They already have a Chelsea Flight kitchen and a maintenance f
28 Post contains images Dutchflyboi : hmm, we had plenty of A300's in the 80's. That plane sucked to work on.
29 Mysterzip : Honestly, I see JetBlue merging with Frontier as well, although it's far from being likely, especially in this market. Although I do foresee a smaller
30 Denverdanny : They've announced they are stopping the route. I thought the same thing. Get rid of a competitor and keep the Airbus planes to replace 737s
31 Rampart : Did you see reply #16?
32 Enilria : We really should be talking about who will buy Lynx since that is the only part with any unique value. I predict Republic buys Lynx using it as a way
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