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Centurion (Kalitta Air) B747F Crashes At BOG  
User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44460 times:

In a sad news a Boeing 747 from Centurion crashe at takeoff in Madrid, a small town near Bogotá, it crashed over a farm. Two people killed (38 and 12 years old), the crew aparently are safe, the two victims are from a family that where sleeping in their house and some parts of the plane fell over the house, the third person in the house was carried to the Police hospital in Bogotá.

According to the news at takeoff the plane had an engine failure, the crew started the procedures and tried to came back to BOG, but the plane exploted over the farm (?!?!?) and crashed.

Link to the info (in spanish), the info at this moment is still preliminary since it happened just moments ago.

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/bog...ueren-2-de-sus-moradores_4364966-1


Gus
SKBO

[Edited 2008-07-07 04:37:23]


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44488 times:

Sad news of another accident.
Centurion Air Cargo though has no Boeing 747, they operate DC-10s.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9054 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44467 times:
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 Sad  Sad Very sad news - and another accident...  Sad

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44374 times:

Do we have an english translation?

This is very sad news.


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44355 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 1):
Sad news of another accident.
Centurion Air Cargo though has no Boeing 747, they operate DC-10s.

Yes, i also wondered about that, but the news keep saying that it´s from Centurion and that it´s a 747. There is still too much to confirm.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44318 times:



Quoting Tavong (Reply 4):
the news keep saying that it´s from Centurion and that it´s a 747

Not the first time journalists get anything wrong in aviation. Centurion has 8 DC-10s according to their website and never operated 747s.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9054 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44330 times:
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Quoting Tavong (Reply 4):

Yes, i also wondered about that, but the news keep saying that it´s from Centurion and that it´s a 747. There is still too much to confirm.

Maybe a 747 flying for Centurion. We have World Cargo doing flights for LH Cargo with LH Cargo flight number. Maybe something like that?

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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 499 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44260 times:

Sad news to hear indeed  Sad

Accordint to Flighstats. Centurion WE164 was departed at 2:54 am (-5 GMT), but no equipment is indicated in the remark.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineSPR773 From India, joined Jun 2008, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44222 times:

Thats very bad news indeed.....Sincere prayers for the victims and bereaved families..... tombstone 

Any links in English for details ?


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 44226 times:

Wasn't it Centurion as well, leaving the runway at BOG with a DC-10 some three, four years ago?

Cheers
Legacy135  Wink


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44136 times:



Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 9):
Wasn't it Centurion as well, leaving the runway at BOG with a DC-10 some three, four years ago?

Yes, Centurion DC-10 N189AX was lost at Bogota 4 years ago, on 28.4.2004 to be precise.


User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 815 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44076 times:
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RIP to those dead, the text says they are 12 and 52.

They say these things come in 3's. The USA Jet and now this one. What is next, hopefully nothing!

John


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44092 times:

It was a Kalitta Air 747...I´m seen it on the news right now... working for Centurion?


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User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44096 times:

I am watching the news now and it looks like a Kalitta Air B747. The news have been quite specific on saying B747-200 and the small piece of fuselage has the red-gold-red stripes. I am not familiar with Centurion Air colors but it does look to me as a Kalitta Air. If so two planes in a row are not a good sign.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44013 times:



Quoting Bongo (Reply 12):
It was a Kalitta Air 747...I´m seen it on the news right now... working for Centurion?

Oh shit... thats to bad.


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43896 times:
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Quoting Bongo (Reply 12):
It was a Kalitta Air 747

2nd Kalitas 747 crash in short period of time... Was it on in BRU few months back?



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43848 times:

Still nothing on CNN, BBC, Reuters. The big newsmakers are very slow this time.

User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43401 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):
Maybe a 747 flying for Centurion. We have World Cargo doing flights for LH Cargo with LH Cargo flight number. Maybe something like that?



Quoting Bongo (Reply 12):
It was a Kalitta Air 747...I´m seen it on the news right now... working for Centurion?

It was a Kalitha 747, i just saw it in the news. Two aircraft loses for Khalita, what a bad year.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5844 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43432 times:

Please just say it wasn't a 747-246...

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 43142 times:



Quoting Tavong (Reply 18):
It was a Kalitha 747, i just saw it in the news. Two aircraft loses for Khalita, what a bad year.

And you thought the price of oil skyrocked?

What do you think is going to happen to Kalitta's insurance rates?

safe



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User currently offlinePropjett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 42627 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 21):
What do you think is going to happen to Kalitta's insurance rates?

I am sure praying for Connie and his family, not only due to the loss of Aircraft, but because the loss of his family member in the Funny Car that exploded a week or so ago.

I would say on this subject, with this, the Kalitta plane that overshot the runway last month, and the USA DC-9 yesterday, that maybe the FAA needs to get off of AA's and Southwest's A** and start looking hard at these geriatric birds these freight haulers are operating, most of which are very near the end of their useful life. I know Kalitta has a great maintenance program, but maybe the FAA needs to look into increasing checks by reducing the amount of time between heavy checks, and routine maintenance on aging aircraft. No amount of heavy maintenance and checks can catch every hairline fracture and instance of fatigue.

Just my two cents worth.


User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 42505 times:

Here is some more info

http://avherald.com/h?article=40950475&opt=0


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 42347 times:



Quoting Propjett (Reply 22):




I am sure praying for Connie and his family, not only due to the loss of Aircraft, but because the loss of his family member in the Funny Car that exploded a week or so ago.

Yeah, I used to watch him drag race in my(and his)younger days when he came up
here to Tri-City dragway. He and Al Arfrons(sp) and his green monster jet car...
those were the days...
I was referring to the airfreight business when remarking about insurance rates.
I own a business and know all about claims and rates in the workplace.
safe



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User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 42264 times:

Checking Flightaware, it is a Southern Air plane.

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42940 times:

Confirmed a Kalitta bird. Carrying flowers on behalf of Centurion.

RIP to the families of those involved.

Check some pics at www.eltiempo.com


JAAH



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25 Post contains links EIDAA : http://colombiareports.com/2008/07/0...sh-kills-at-least-two-near-bogota/ According to this article, 7 of the 11 on board were rescued, but 4 are "mis
26 Post contains links 777jaah : Definetively a Kalitta bird. Probably flying for Centurion. News says it was carrying flowers to USA. RIP to the families of those involved. Hopefully
27 DALCE : Dutch Media also report that it is a Kalitta 742F... This is soooo terrible for them.
28 CodyKDiamond : My condolences to the crew/passengers and the two who died in the house.
29 YWG747 : RIP to all those who have perished Ugly looking photos. Thank goodness only two have been confirm desceased. It is really bad if it is another Kalitta
30 A5XX : Yes... They've had a really bad year so far. And also.... Scott Kalitta that was killed two week ago in a NHRA funny car accident. A5XX
31 CAP2008 : Man, this is a terrible week for YIP. Both USA jet and Kalitta with large operations there. My sympathies to the departed and their families.
32 DocLightning : The article, in English, says (forgive me, I'm not a professional translator): "The cargo plane, which carried flowers, had lifted off from the Eldora
33 DALCE : Thanks for translating! This is terrible news, hope that the wounded crewmembers will fully recover and the 2 missing are safe. Although I fear for t
34 OHLHD : Very very sad! That is the second " crash" within weeks! I would not be surprised if they come onto the black list now!
35 Enginebird : I also hope that the woman who was hurt on the ground will fully recover -- just imagine waking up to a 747 crashing into your house and realizing th
36 DALCE : Although it is premature do confirm this, I wouldn't be surprised either. They already had a period that they were subject to extra control in Europe
37 IFlyATA : Absolutely terrible news, my thoughts to the families of the deceased and the Kalitta employees.
38 Tb727 : 2 days in a row for my fellow YIP pilots, Godspeed guys.
39 Post contains links and images Viaggiare : Judging by the latest reports, it could've been N714CK... View Large View MediumPhoto © Moman Photography
40 MX757 : You got that right. I worked for Kallita then USA Jet at YIP in the early 90's. My prayers go out to all involved in this tragedy.
41 Spacecadet : Yahoo News has some amazing photos - unfortunately I can't figure out how to link to them (just comes up blank when I try to copy/paste) but if you ju
42 Post contains links 777jaah : Check out this video: http://www.eltiempo.com/multimedia/v.../multimedia.php?id_recurso=4365032 JAAH
43 JBirdAV8r :
44 Post contains links TBYO787 : According to El Heraldo of Barranquilla, all 8 crew members onboard are alive. just the 2 dead people were sleeping in the farm. http://www.elheraldo.
45 OURBOEING : I am thinking this is one of their older 741/200s.
46 Mirrodie : My condolenses go out to them. A tough year with two crashes and the loss of their son a few weeks ago.
47 EA772LR : My thoughts and prayers go out to the affected ones. Such a tragedy
48 Kaitak : PPRUNE reports that it's N714CK, an ex-CAL machine, in service since 1981, converted to cargo in '99 and with CK since 2002. The aircraft which crash
49 Max550 : Too many upper deck windows to be a 741. Edit: Nevermind, looking through photos I found a 741 they have with more windows, disregared this post.[Edi
50 ChrisNH : That's almost unfathomable to think after the video I saw.
51 United_fan : Wow,not good for CK. I bet they are going to get a not-so-nice visit from the FAA real soon
52 AvConsultant : How many carreirs have written-off or crashed 2 B-747's?
53 Danimarroquin : so , what is kalitta's fleet now ? with there lost of 2 747-200
54 Spacecadet : Pan Am lost something like seven, if I recall. (Edit: apparently four, not seven.) Korean Air has also lost four. Air France has lost three. JAL has
55 EMBQA : I'm sure they will... but nothing new... other airlines have lost aircraft in close relationship before.
56 Kaitak : Just going through a list of them: Air France - at least 2 (cargo 747 at Chennai, pax 747 at BOM) Air India - three (two fatal - Bombay 1978 and Atla
57 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : Hull losses: KAL/Korean 5 Pan Am 4 Air France 3 Air India 3 China Airl 3 JAL 2 SAA 2 Saudi Arabian 2 MK Airlines 2 Kalitta 2 http://aviation-safety.n
58 FFlorida : Do you think Kalitta is continuing its normal operations today? How many freighters do they have operational?
59 Jmbarros12 : Looks like hell... Sad news. João Marcelo
60 Post contains links Kaitak : Just had a quick look at Wiki satellite maps (the rest were cloud obscured): http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.7013...-74.146944&spnx=0.03&spny=0.03&m=s
61 Cloudyapple : And one on approach to Guam.
62 2H4 : Not sure about normal operations, but their -400 is flying today. 2H4
63 Wjcandee : Of course. Approximately 15. [edited by me to increase specificity:] Given that this is reported to be an off-airport accident that occurred during a
64 Post contains links PITrules : http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm Inside this link are additional news links and videos. The CNN link has a detailed video.
65 2H4 : Do you have a source for this, or are you just predicting this will be the case? 2H4
66 Wolbo : According to their website this plane was build in 6-1981 and was actually their youngest plane in service. They have several that were build in 1970
67 Rutankrd : Is this another of the ex CAL planes ? Weren't these previously grounded and removed from service by China Airlines after they lost one some time ago
68 EMBQA : ...?? the news is already reporting several dead. Why would you doubt what is being reported.
69 Wjcandee : I'm saying that a crash off the airport during an air return that causes wreckage like that would seem to have limited survivability. Let me edit and
70 Post contains images DUALRATED : POSTED IN ERROR [Edited 2008-07-07 11:50:15] [Edited 2008-07-07 11:58:17] [Edited 2008-07-07 12:12:47]
71 2H4 : Well, it sounded like Wjcandee was disputing TBYO787's remark that all crewmembers are safe. Is this indeed the case, or are there crewmember fatalit
72 EMBQA : I read one on the ground.. 3 on board died... of eight
73 Kaitak : Isn't it already known that it is; even if all crew survive, there were still fatalities on the ground. Their youngest aircraft is actually a 744F, w
74 Flymad : Just to clarify - ZS-SPF B747SP leased to LAM engine fire on take-off from Maputo - landed safely, but written off due to hull damage. The other was
75 2H4 : Ok, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up with the news reports. Thanks. Thanks for the clarification. 2H4
76 Kaitak : Yes, but don't forget that AvConsultant's question was about carriers which lost 2 or more 747s. Still, no doubt that KAL/KE wins ... which isn't the
77 Wjcandee : You know, while CNN is reporting that the plane "hit a ranch about 15 miles north of Bogota", leading me to believe that the plane was well away from
78 2H4 : No worries...I'm just particularly concerned about crewmember fatalities in this case. 2H4
79 RFields5421 : I agree that the pictures I've seen so far make me believe it to not be a survivable crash. But this is a B747, and I assume all the crew members were
80 RFields5421 : I tried to edit my post above - because I've found a video which shows the entire cockpit and upper deck intact and unburned. It is lying almost upsi
81 BuyantUkhaa : I counted only one, in Kuwait - then which would be the other?
82 Ba1978 : Check out the link in reply 26. The cockpit and upper deck looks the most survivable piece of the aircraft
83 Bennett123 : Na I assume that N189AX was scrapped soon after it's mishap in 2004. Are you able to confirm this.
84 Post contains links and images EMBQA : All I know right now is for the second time in a few months (3rd time in his career) I need to wait to hear from my friend that is an F/O for Kalitta
85 NA : My sources say so, yes.
86 NA : I suppose that the 744SFs, of which Kalitta has two now, are used to replace the 741SFs first. ,_________last photos 12/2007 60 (N712CK, also a -122F)
87 Post contains links 777jaah : I think the plane went down not too far from the runway.......in straight line, very close really (around 6 miles from 31L), and for using rwy31, the
88 Post contains links ClearedDirect : http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slides.../5131177da61546ddab63a224ca415c70/ As previously posted, shows a good bit of the upper deck/cockpit as intact.
89 Post contains links and images NA : Just checked http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080707-0 It´s confirmed its N714CK, a former CI pax-plane. View Large View MediumPho
90 RFields5421 : Any port in a storm - at 5,600 ft long, its runway is only 470 feet shorter than Madrid. Neither is a good choice for a B747, but both beat an open,
91 Matheus : A point to remember is that BOG is located at 8000ft, at this altitude any engine failure will cause really bad manoeuvrability issues. BOG also has a
92 777jaah : Gauymaral is north of BOG. Madrid is west, right by the path of 31 departure, specially. JAAH
93 Post contains links KarlB737 : Brief report from CNN: 747 Freighter Crashes In Colombia - CNN.com http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...07/07/colombia.crash.ap/index.html
94 DALCE : Would 1 engine out, cause such problem on a 747 that you can't manouvre at this alt? I'm not a expert on this, but I always thought that 3 engines wo
95 ComeAndGo : maybe it's time the "other" countries start blacklisting the US for failed oversight.
96 PlanenutzTB : God bless the families of those who died in this crash. How ironic to lose ones life with a 747 plane full of flowers crashing on you.
97 Midcon385 : What a shame! Another CKS 747 crash! Man, that's sad! Hope for recovery for those alive, and thoughts for the deceased... Tim
98 AR385 : I always thought the control problems at alt. with one or two engines out are also a function of how heavy the aircraft is. I may be wrong. Assuming
99 DocLightning : Your article says 3 dead. Every other source says 2 dead. Anyone know what's going on? Either way, one of the dead is a 14yo kid.
100 Syncmaster : The United States has one of the best safety records anywhere. Do not blame this accident on "failed oversight" until you know what happened. Details
101 JBR2008 : As far as I know, the local Colombian accident invesigation unit would conduct the investigation, involving the NTSB (as the accident investigation b
102 Syncmaster : You are correct, I was in reference to the possible failed oversight comment ComeAndGo had made. Thank you for pointing that out. -Charlie
103 JBR2008 : Absolutely, in fairness the US are most active in terms of promoting and practising aviation safety. In the event of a finding being made arising fro
104 RFields5421 : The issue appears to have been a fire in an engine, and possibly spreading, rather than control issues according to the way I've understood the repor
105 DUALRATED : Now that you have come, Can you please go? That had to be the most outrageous statements after a really bad day of events.
106 777jaah : From what I just saw in the news, arouhnd 5miles from the end of 31L. Mountains which can be around 10.000 feet. Agree 100% On a side note, news repo
107 Zeke : The airline would have performance charts to ensue they can takeoff and either return safely or divert to an alternate airport, the aircraft would ha
108 Wjcandee : Shipments of cut flowers can be dense and therefore heavy. However, I do notice that this was Kalitta subservice for a Centurion DC10. The difference
109 AAH732UAL : BRU, Scott, and now this. Looks like this is a very bad year for Connie. RIP
110 Richierich : Does anybody know why this month's edition of Air Transport World trade magazine lists Continental Airlines as having a Tu-154 in their fleet? I gues
111 Allpress : this is sad 2 aircraft for Kallita in 1 year.. not even that! my god.. can it get any worse? cam
112 Nwarooster : Kalita keeps this up and they are in danger of loosing their operating certificate (AOC).
113 Spacecadet : As someone else said, crews train for fire, and safety margins are built in for engine fire. There had to be more to it than that, and there usually
114 RFields5421 : Continental Airways - IATA: PC / IACO: PVV - is an airline based in Moscow, Russia and operates five Tu-154M aircraft. More than one database / newsp
115 RFields5421 : Has anyone heard reports of which runway was used for takeoff? The impression I have is it was a 180 and return to land on the opposite of the takeoff
116 Teneriffe77 : Lets stop the speculation till we find out more about what happened. Lets be glad it was only the 2 people on the ground and not the 2 people on the g
117 2H4 : This is a discussion forum. There's nothing wrong with speculation as long as it's done in a disciplined manner. 2H4
118 Richierich : That would be it then... seems like a silly mistake to make, but what do I know?>?>?>? I agree. Speculation on this site is rife and often incorrect.
119 747400sp : Man, this second 747 200 Kalitta Air lost this year. This is so sad to hear.
120 Bogota : Very probable as no over the city operations are allowed during the night due to noise regulations, planes take off at runways 31 and planes land at
121 MIAMIx707 : Does anyone know how many Kalitta 747s were/are based at Miami? It's very likely I saw this 747 during the last few days at MIA but didn't bother to g
122 Lazy8 : Correct. We don't know if it was maintenance, fatigue, pilot error (not handleing the emergency properly), birds, or any number of other possible iss
123 Flaps : Performance charts do not take into account decreased performance due to wear/tear and/or structural damage. Both of which may have been involved here
124 ScrubbsYWG : Unfortunately it has been worse, and probably substantially worse depending on how you look at things. As has been mentioned, Connie Kalitta lost his
125 PITrules : The charted "Engine Out" procedure (Jeppesen 10-7, for single engine terrain avoidance) for all runways at BOG involves an immediate turn to get esta
126 Matheus : 1Km!? Was that down hill? Looking the damage on the aircraft, it lost a lot of energy in a very short period of time (a big deceleration). Any chance
127 N27UADIESEL8 : MIAMIx707 Last Saturday morning while driving by the "Western U", Centurion's ramp area, N714CK was being towed to the other side of the field. I had
128 Zeke : Chart 10-7 is a tailored chart made for your company, is is not a generic Jepp chart. I have the Jepp charts for the airport, it does not include 10-
129 Post contains links and images NA : There is a Russian Continental Airways: View Large View MediumPhoto © Viktor Laszlo - Budapest Aviation Photography In cases like this always ch
130 MIAMIx707 : N27UADIESEL8, A few days ago there were two of them parked by Le Jeune. This one must have been one of them. I shot N700CK about a month ago at MIA b
131 Ncelhr : Looking at the pictures, I cannot help but think that the flight crew was *very* lucky. It looks like the front of the aircraft crashed violently into
132 Tb727 : Equipment suffix for ATC. It all changed on June 29th, but /W used to mean RVSM and /Q was RVSM/RNAV capabilities. Now everything is ICAO format.
133 777jaah : As usual, reports are not really accurate. Eltiempo.com shows a graphic which basically states that the aircraft took off from 13R, which, with a 99.
134 Wjcandee : Seems odd. Even with one engine inop (as opposed to, as reported, stalling or on fire - the distinction noted by Zeke above), he should have been abl
135 727forever : "If they did the calculation."???? Are you serious with you statement? Performance calculations are taken extremely serious and I never flown with an
136 PITrules : You are correct on both counts. Kalitta's engine out departure procedure may be different from mine, depending on which vendor supplies their perform
137 RFields5421 : I've seen some news reports today that list the crash site as 15 miles from the CITY OF BOGATA and just 3 miles from the BOG airport.
138 Spacecadet : If an airplane does not have the required performance to reliably clear basic safety margins, then it is no longer a safe aircraft to fly, and should
139 Nwarooster : Freight dogs are NOT always the best maintained aircraft. There is only the crew to worry about and some operators are willing to risk there lives to
140 777jaah : Its bogOta not bogAta.And i've been trying to point this out for a while. jaah
141 Lazy8 : Whoa, coming back a little strong there? Sorry if I you feel I insulted you or made some other personal attack. Maybe you misunderstood my point. Don
142 DUALRATED : I don't think that is true at all. Just because there are not any pax, does not make the flight more expendable. Case in point look at the ELAL crash
143 RFields5421 : Is there anything in the local media about the track of the flight? How long it had been off the ground? What was the track of the wreckage on the gro
144 2H4 : I hear what you're saying, but it would be prudent to point out that they are also not always or inherently the worst maintained aircraft, either. 2H
145 777jaah : Yes, but I'm sure they got it wrong. They show the plane taking off from rwy13 and i'm pretty sure it took off from rwy31, because at that time of th
146 Tb727 : Really? That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter who or what is behind you, YOU are on the airplane and that is what matters. I fly a good mix
147 Post contains links Barney Captain : Link to a slide show of the crash. Amazing (and thankful) anyone inside survived - and condolences to those on the ground. http://www.410film.com/kali
148 Post contains links and images Kaitak : It's hard to generalise about this, but we won't really be able to determine whether maintenance faults had anything to do with the accident until th
149 DUALRATED : The way she is lying on her side , reminds me of the PANAM 103 pictures.
150 Lazy8 : Thanks for the slide show Barney Captain. Jeez, after seeing what's left of the house and the aircraft and realizing what you're looking at, it gives
151 Barney Captain : Well said and my sentiments exactly. Guy's, did we get confirmation of the 8 crew survivors and the loss of 3 on the ground? Forgive me if it was pos
152 MIAMIx707 : If one looks at the accident rate of freight aircraft (freight dogs is a name for pilots) in Latin America, especially south America there seems to b
153 2H4 : What's the average ratio of cargo flights to pax flights? If there tends to be an equal number of cargo and pax flights, then the higher hull losses
154 DUALRATED : Did I call them something else? Really? I am very interested to see the facts, do you have any? Show all crashes, cargo vs pax and their causes. Also
155 MIAMIx707 : That's hard to gauge without looking at some real #s. At some airports in areas of Bolivia, Colombia, etc, there used to be many (especially during t
156 DUALRATED : Then how can you make your original statement below? This is the answer I get when I ask for facts. Ok.... drug smuggling does not count. Oh thats go
157 MIAMIx707 : At many airports even a large cargo ones like MIA, there are much more pax movements than cargo so it would prove the point that freighters should ra
158 F9Animal : " target=_blank>http://www.410film.com/kalitta/kalit....html Wow! Some very amazing pictures there. Amazing the crew really made it! They are indeed
159 777jaah : I went this morning to the site of the crash. Pretty amazing the crew survived. Wasn't their to go yet.....later I will post a link on what I saw and
160 F9Animal : Cool stuff! Is the wreckage still there? Did you get any photos by chance? Has anyone heard anything about the 2 that perished on the ground? Were th
161 777jaah : Yeap. Whn I got there, the investigators were recovering engine #3. Lots of debris and cargo all over the place. Some. I'll try to post some later. F
162 Post contains links PITrules : Dual engine failure now cited in preliminary inquiry: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...tta-747f-bogota-crash-inquiry.html "Preliminary inquiries
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