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US Airways Continues On-time Trend, #3 For May  
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

US Airways takes No. 3 spot in on-time performance

Quote:
US Airways Group Inc. was among the top performers for on-time performance for the sixth straight month in May, according to the latest report from the U.S. Department of Transportation.

The Tempe-based airline came in third with 83.6 percent of its flights on time. The DOT counts on-time performance for planes that dock within 14 minutes of their published arrival time.

AirTran was No. 1 at 84.7 percent, followed by Delta at 83.6. Southwest Airlines Co., which counts Phoenix among its hubs, was No. 4 at 80.9 percent.

The top three finish entitles US Airways employees to a $50 bonus for the month.

For June US Airways' preliminary on-time performance was 76.3 percent, with a completion factor of 98.1 percent, according to DOT.



Here are the percentages:

88.9 Hawaiian Airlines
85.9 Pinnacle Airlines
84.7 Airtran Airways
84.5 Skywest Airlines
84.1 Delta Airlines
83.8 Atlantic Southeast Airlines
83.6 US Airways
80.9 Southwest Airlines
80.4 Alaska Airlines
79.2 Jetblue Airways
78.9 Northwest Airlines
78.4 Comair
76.9 Mesa Airlines
76.5 Frontier Airlines
76.3 American Eagle
76.1 Expressjet Airlines
75.4 Continental Airlines
72.4 United Airlines
67.3 American Airlines


delta.com
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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Good to hear some things are still going well for US Airways.
I do wonder what the split would be between PHL, CLT, LAS and PHX.
I think that PHX and LAS are really carrying the other focus cities.



Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight: AMS-FRA-AMS
User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Robert "Confucius" Isom say adding block time will always make your stats improve.

[Edited 2008-07-07 14:06:50]

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

What causes AA to be last every single month? It can't be ORD because UA has more flights there and still maintains an on-time arrival percentage of over 5 points over AA.

Jeremy


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Forgive my ignorance, but how does being seventh on that list of percentages translate to being #3? Or does this apply to "major" airlines only. Ah, statistics; gotta love how they can be skewed to make practically anything look good.

User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 814 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
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Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 2):
Robert "Confucius" Isom say adding block time will always make your stats improve.

Block times are what the flying public counts on. If I have a meeting to be somewhere at a certain time I want to know that I'll be on time most of the time.

So what if US pads it, they know the expected delays and they are setting reasonable expectations at the time the ticket is purchased.

Cheers,
John


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Must be saving turn times by not loading the Pretzels anymore  

We should see a big improvement in all carriers later in the year as the capacity cuts take effect.

[Edited 2008-07-07 14:33:12]

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3871 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Thread starter):
AirTran was No. 1 at 84.7 percent, followed by Delta at 83.6. Southwest Airlines Co., which counts Phoenix among its hubs, was No. 4 at 80.9 percent.

Which just goes to show ATL isn't the delay-prone hell pit everyone makes it out to be. ORD and Texas on the other hand...



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19516 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

The bit that amazes me is that DL and B6 are doing so well. When you have a hub at JFK, it's hard to have an on-time rate that good.

User currently offlineGVROYphx From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Well...when you pad your flights like anyone else does...of course you'd be on-time. But as you can see...you're still on-time but ticking off every passenger...they are still at the bottom of the list for complaints. And the attitude from their employees I saw this weekend at PHX...they are still a D-List carrier. Period!

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5408 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3685 times:



Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 5):


Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 2):
Robert "Confucius" Isom say adding block time will always make your stats improve.

Block times are what the flying public counts on. If I have a meeting to be somewhere at a certain time I want to know that I'll be on time most of the time.

So what if US pads it, they know the expected delays and they are setting reasonable expectations at the time the ticket is purchased.

Well, the point is, it is irrelevant that you're "on-time" for a scheduled flight of 2hrs, if the flying time is actually only 50 minutes.

I'm actually smart enough to realize that US is anything BUT "on-time", when I'm spending an hour EVERY week waiting to depart PHL behind 25-30 other aircraft .. mostly US of course.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMu2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3607 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 10):
Well, the point is, it is irrelevant that you're "on-time" for a scheduled flight of 2hrs, if the flying time is actually only 50 minutes.

I'm actually smart enough to realize that US is anything BUT "on-time", when I'm spending an hour EVERY week waiting to depart PHL behind 25-30 other aircraft .. mostly US of course.

It's amazing how much you guys don't know. Block times are compiled using the average of the last three months actual block times at US.

Bond007, why do you keep flying US?

I just sit back and laugh at some of you. If you know how to do it, then why are you not the CEO of and airline?


User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

That is really good new for US Airways (and Delta). JetBlue needs to step up their game.

User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3472 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 10):
Well, the point is, it is irrelevant that you're "on-time" for a scheduled flight of 2hrs, if the flying time is actually only 50 minutes.

I would love you to try and prove this i bet you cant .. No airline would pad a 50 min flight with a scheduled 2 hr flight time .. Every airline in the world pads its schedules ..

Quoting GVROYphx (Reply 9):
Well...when you pad your flights like anyone else does...of course you'd be on-time.

Well maybe the big airlines exc DL should take the US route and improve its padding to improve their on time performance ..

Quoting GVROYphx (Reply 9):
And the attitude from their employees I saw this weekend at PHX

Unfortunately all airlines have bad apples .. Actually my experiences have been all positive with US ..



"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3472 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
Which just goes to show ATL isn't the delay-prone hell pit everyone makes it out to be. ORD and Texas on the other hand...

we have our fare Share of Problems here in Atlanta (mainly the WX in the summer) but You are right Evan this goes to show that Atlanta isn't as bad as A.net makes it out to be. Also DL has hubs in both JFK and ATL and still has great numbers.......That shows us all something.



yep.
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5408 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 11):
It's amazing how much you guys don't know. Block times are compiled using the average of the last three months actual block times at US.

Bond007, why do you keep flying US?

I just sit back and laugh at some of you. If you know how to do it, then why are you not the CEO of and airline?

LOL ... this doesn't contradict anything I said  

How it's calculated is irrelevant, but actually proves my point in this case. If my flight is one hour, and the average block-time is 2hrs because I'm usually 25 in-line to depart, then my scheduled time is 2hrs .... a completely ridiculous number to be used for "on-time" calculations, since IMO this 1hr of delay is mostly under the control of the airlines, and their scheduling.

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 13):
I would love you to try and prove this i bet you cant .. No airline would pad a 50 min flight with a scheduled 2 hr flight time .

OK, where do I start .... first one I chose ... USA 1023, PHL-TPA, Scheduled 2:51, distance 799 nm, flight time I have 2:11, 2:13, 2:16 ...so let's make that one 40 minutes! If you really want a 50 minute, I can probably find one.

You'd have to average 280kts (in a B734) for the whole trip to do it in 2:51.



Jimbo

[Edited 2008-07-08 05:53:27]


I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMu2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3378 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 15):
LOL ... this doesn't contradict anything I said

How it's calculated is irrelevant, but actually proves my point in this case. If my flight is one hour, and the average block-time is 2hrs because I'm usually 25 in-line to depart, then my scheduled time is 2hrs .... a completely ridiculous number to be used for "on-time" calculations, since IMO this 1hr of delay is mostly under the control of the airlines, and their scheduling.

Again you still don't get it. Block time is pasking brake off to parking brake on. Or it could be door closed or oil pressure in the engine. It depends on the plane. Block time is not wheels up to wheels down. That would be flight time. That being said, you taxi of 25 planes is not a delay, it's part of block time. Get it right!


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5408 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3366 times:



Quoting Mu2 (Reply 16):
Again you still don't get it. Block time is pasking brake off to parking brake on. Or it could be door closed or oil pressure in the engine. It depends on the plane. Block time is not wheels up to wheels down. That would be flight time. That being said, you taxi of 25 planes is not a delay, it's part of block time. Get it right!

Uh, I get it !

My flight duration (wheels up/down) is 1hr ... my block time is 2hrs ... hence my scheduled published time is 2hrs .... see I get it!

Sure the taxi behind 25 planes is a delay ... and that's my point .... it's not seen as a delay for exactly the reason of padding block times.

I got it right! Thanks for your help  Yeah sure

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 814 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3356 times:
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Quoting Bond007 (Reply 10):
Well, the point is, it is irrelevant that you're "on-time" for a scheduled flight of 2hrs, if the flying time is actually only 50 minutes.

I'm actually smart enough to realize that US is anything BUT "on-time", when I'm spending an hour EVERY week waiting to depart PHL behind 25-30 other aircraft .. mostly US of course.

Again, I want realistic expectations when I'm booking a flight. If the traffic and ATC at PHL warrant that US pads flight times to reflect that then so be it. Maybe they could do better at scheduling or doing rolling banks but that's not the point right now.

As long as I end up where I want to be at close to the time the airline says, all should be good. That way I can arrange cars and meetings based on reality!

Cheers,
John


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5408 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 18):
Again, I want realistic expectations when I'm booking a flight. If the traffic and ATC at PHL warrant that US pads flight times to reflect that then so be it. Maybe they could do better at scheduling or doing rolling banks but that's not the point right now.

...and nothing will ever change because everybody thinks that PHL runs like clockwork, and all flights are "on-time". US will be top of the list, even though 30% or more of your flight is spent on the ground waiting.

I see your point, but if folks were 1hr late every time they took a 1hr scheduled flight, then they'll be far more likely to complain, or choose another airline/airport, and these delays would be documented to all and published .... now, it's a 2hr scheduled flight, never delayed, and all is well!


Jimbo

[Edited 2008-07-08 07:23:32]


I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMu2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3329 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
My flight duration (wheels up/down) is 1hr ... my block time is 2hrs ... hence my scheduled published time is 2hrs .... see I get it!

Sure the taxi behind 25 planes is a delay ... and that's my point .... it's not seen as a delay for exactly the reason of padding block times.

So what you are saying is ANY taxi time is a delay? You are WRONG my friend. Read what I wrote about block time. Can you not read? Your ticket does not reflect your flight time only. It takes into account taxi, (no matter how long it may be) takeoff, cruise, landing and taxi again. If within the last three months it took 120 minutes, then that is the new block time posted. The taxi time is only considered a delay if the flights total block exceeds the planed block, or the taxi is more than two hours. I have that right here in my FOM. You can't argue that.


User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3315 times:

Speaking of padding, I flew WN from PHL to MDW last week. The flight was blocked for 2:35. Of course when we landed '40 minutes early' at MDW, they made a big deal about it. US isn't the only one padding flights quite liberally.

User currently offlinePliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3304 times:

I would thinkin this day and age being profitable is somewhat more exciting than being on time.

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5408 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3292 times:



Quoting Mu2 (Reply 20):
So what you are saying is ANY taxi time is a delay?

No!

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 20):
You are WRONG my friend

???

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 20):
Your ticket does not reflect your flight time only. It takes into account taxi, (no matter how long it may be) takeoff, cruise, landing and taxi again. If within the last three months it took 120 minutes, then that is the new block time posted.

Again, I know how it works ... thanks.

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 20):
You can't argue that.

I'm not.

Let's move on...... I've made my point.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3274 times:

You are free to select other airlines based on their speed. If US is padding their schedule then they will be slower. This is less attractive to passengers and you may save time by: driving, driving to other airports, staying home, etc.

What you should not do is accuse them of dishonesty. They are being completely honest. They say a journey takes 2 hrs and the DOT reports say that is correct. It is up to you whether you want to take a 2 hr journey. As long as the flight arrives on-time, the flight logistics... runway delays etc... really aren't your concern. Why get all fruity about it?... the flights arrive on-time, and if the runways are slow that's something for the airline to try to improve. But they told you the block times when you bought the ticket.

It's their own issue if they are burning excess aircraft hours and fuel waiting in line. You may wish for a perfectly smooth PHL (or some other airport) so in that sense you agree with US. But everybody is subject to runway delays at PHL, not just US. WN would have the same delays there... it's part of doing business in Philadelphia.


25 Boston92 : Actually, Bond007 "gets it" just fine, and I am in complete agreement. I'll give you another example: Lets say I am flying to PVD on DL or UA. On DL
26 Bond007 : We can call it whatever we want, but the fact is that they are padding the scheduled times in order to be "on-time". If you think that's honest, that
27 Modena : I'm a heavy traveler out of PHL, formerlly on US and now on WN. In my eyes I'm only delayed when my arrival time that is published on the ticket that
28 Kalvado : I believe here is a summary: there are lies, damned lies, and statistics..
29 Bond007 : ...and that's exactly my point, right. You are spending 45 minutes in line for takeoff, but in your eyes you are not delayed. That's exactly why they
30 Modena : I don't feel delayed because the airline was honest with me...telling me its gonna be a certain amount of time for taxi, flight, taxi. I also look at
31 Flighty : What? Why would they happily delay a multi-million dollar aircraft and expensive pilots? Wouldn't you think they do everything possible to eliminate
32 Boston92 : No. I will repost what I said earlier: DL JFK-PVD 165mi.......................1h 33m UA IAD-PVD 370mi.......................1h 30m
33 Bond007 : Hey, I thought you were on my side I'm not sure what "no" refers to. I was commenting on the reply "I'm really not sure how taxi times and swaps = a
34 FFlyerWorld : Wow! Interesting to note that 4 out of the TOP 6 are Delta affliated connection carriers and Delta mainline. (Pinnacle, Skywest, Delta, and ASA) With
35 Boston92 : I am. I have no clue why I quoted you, and now I can't find who I was supposed to disagree with. Haha. Sorry about that mate.... Anyway, to make a an
36 Junction : I completely understand Bond007 and Boston92's frustration about schedule padding, but for heaven’s sake why pick on US? Every airline pads for cong
37 Bond007 : Perhaps because the thread is about US... just a thought Jimbo
38 MSYPI7185 : If your UA flight is delayed you would NOT get to PVD before the DL flight, no matter how you want to look at this. The reason that the UA flight is
39 Bond007 : No. You were OK up to 'without ATC or weather delays' ... US (and whoever else), is adding a WORSE case taxi/wait time, in order to get good "on-time
40 Mu2 : You just want to get from Point A to B at the cheapest possible price and then bitch and moan about crappy service later.
41 Congaboy : I wish the arguement had stopped when John made this statement...its all that really matters. Congrats to US Airways, because even back two years ago
42 Apodino : USAirways does something right for a change and people still find reasons to complain about them. People are complaining about Padding schedules becau
43 Boston92 : Hence the flight is 3x further and the block time is shorter. If the origin of the trip is LAX and pax A is on UA via IAD and pax B is on DL via JFK,
44 Bond007 : Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree. You can detail your points all you want - the bottom line - the aircraft doesn't get there any faster! The bi
45 Apodino : This is an Apples to Oranges comparison. The United option is a Red-Eye, where the Delta option is a late morning getting into JFK right in the middl
46 Apodino : No the other solution would be to lengthen 17-35 and install an ILS for runway 35 so you can run converging ILS approaches to 27R and 35. The current
47 Bond007 : The problem is rarely that there are storms that stop aircraft going in/out of PHL. The issue is that conditions rarely allow the maximum possible sc
48 Boston92 : It was only about flight times, not the actual time of day you would leave or depart. Fine, so flight number one can be delayed 30 minutes, and fligh
49 Flighty : Here's a thought. Maybe the FAA is doing a better job on the East Coast this summer. And that includes the new traffic limitations. People thought thi
50 Burnsie28 : Just about all of that 9E ontime flying was on the NW side since the CRJ-900's were late all the time for the most part.
51 Bond007 : Of course it does! It takes you 2 1/2 hrs to 'fly' 400 miles, even though you hold for 20 minutes, and line up for 40 ... you're on-time, or even ear
52 Post contains links Vega : Some support: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1215...4234025.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo Note that PHL is nowhere to be found (in the List). In fact i
53 Bond007 : ...for the fact that US "...built more buffer into its schedule" from the article. Ah, great, so it was only around 1 in 3 flights that were delayed
54 FFlyerWorld : Well isn't that great! You got some great stuff from Pinnacle and the NWA flying just time to add the awesome Delta Mainline on time machine! Sounds
55 Mu2 : Nevermind. I have nothing more to say. This is too hard to do.[Edited 2008-07-08 19:30:20]
56 Apodino : I could debate this all day, but you see 52 an hour a hell of a lot more than you see 36. 36 only happens when the airport is single runway. (Which a
57 KevinDCA : If "everyone, the airlines, the DOT, the public, the passengers, think that US is 'on-time'", than what, exactly, is the drawback here? Everyone seem
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