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AF 83 Diverts To SLC  
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 848 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

I am in SLC waiting for my flight to YKM and a AF 747 just landed with emergency crews responding, anyone know why??
It's air france 83 sfo-cdg

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User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

here is the flight path by the way
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536882330&filename=phpuodJ41.gif


User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

Looking at where they were i wonder why they didnt go to DEN with longer runways.. something to do with skyteam?

Will that 747 be able to take off for CDG loaded out of SLC without a famous refuel like deltas non stop SLC-CDG???

[Edited 2008-07-07 20:45:14]

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9888 times:



Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 2):
Looking at where they were i wonder why they didnt go to DEN with longer runways.. something to do with skyteam?

DEN had bad weather in the area, and SLC's runways are just fine, with AF having used them before, recently in fact with a couple of SAN-CDG flights that dropped in.


User currently offlinePhxpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9795 times:

When did AF start SAN-CDG?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

AF083 has already left SLC and is scheduled to land in CDG at 4:25PM today July 8.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
a couple of SAN-CDG flights that dropped in.



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
When did AF start SAN-CDG?

Never. AF has never to/from operated SAN

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 2):
Looking at where they were i wonder why they didnt go to DEN with longer runways.. something to do with skyteam?

Probably. DL presence at SLC is more important than in DEN.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9627 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Never. AF has never to/from operated SAN

Could have sworn there was a thread here within the last few weeks on the subject, and how two of them diverted to SLC. LAX-CDG? SAN-CDG charters?


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3252 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9504 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Could have sworn there was a thread here within the last few weeks on the subject, and how two of them diverted to SLC.

BA2289 LHR-PHX (a 744) diverted to SLC a few weeks ago for a medical emergency.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2439 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9499 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Probably. DL presence at SLC is more important than in DEN.

I'm not an airline guy in the least.... but I really doubt the size of a presence of a codeshare partner has much weight when it comes to choosing a diversion airport.... at least, I hope it doesn't...



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

So what was the reason for the diversion? SLC has been quite active in the diversion scheme of things. 3 foreign airlines in the past few months... Quite an achievement for the Wasatch Valley.

Aeroflot777


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5963 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

When push comes to shove, logic dictates that you divert to the NEAREST SUITABLE airport that can handle your aircraft. Period.


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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9320 times:



Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 2):
Looking at where they were i wonder why they didnt go to DEN with longer runways.. something to do with skyteam?

well, I guess SLC might have been a little closer? Maybe they were flying under Salt Lake Center ATC, so it was quicker to go there?

Quote:

Will that 747 be able to take off for CDG loaded out of SLC without a famous refuel like deltas non stop SLC-CDG???

looking at the fact that they took off around midnight, they shouldn't have a problem. As hot as it can get in the afternoon (when the DL flight leaves), temperatures quickly drop in Salt Lake once the sun is down - don't forget that it is located at over 4.000 feet... not that much atmosphere there to keep the heat!



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5335 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9261 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Could have sworn there was a thread here within the last few weeks on the subject, and how two of them diverted to SLC. LAX-CDG? SAN-CDG charters?

Zoom's SAN-LGW flight (#16), on only its second operation since the route's inaugural on 6/20, diverted to SLC for a medical emergency on Monday, 6/23. Big Blue spent about :90 minutes on the ground at SLC (in the evening) and then continued without further incident to Gatwick.

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9166 times:



Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 8):
but I really doubt the size of a presence of a codeshare partner has much weight when it comes to choosing a diversion airport

Probably not in case of an important technical problem, of course !

When a diversion is caused by, let's say, the airport of destination closed, it is certainly taken in consideration


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9078 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
Zoom's SAN-LGW flight (#16),

That's the one I had in mind...


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7509 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

SLC would be a good alternate if the CDG-SFO leg flight plan has to be done on a file/ re-file basis. That would make it an airport with which the AF crews are familiar and have practiced landing, at least in the simulators.

SLC is 82 nm off the Great Circle route SFO-CDG
DEN is 229 nm off the Great Circle route SFO-CDG

SLC has two runways at 12,000 ft long at 4,227 ft elevation.

DEN has one runway at 16,000 ft long and five runways at 12,000 ft long - at 5,431 ft elevation.

Due to the altitude difference, DEN has no real advantage over SLC with runway length, and probably not with equipment or services and is a longer way off course for a diversion.

Even on this out and back flight path, DEN is not much, if any, closer than SLC. Obviously it was not a "we must land immediately at any airport" diversion.

They were very close to CPR when they turned back, with a 10,600 ft runway available if they needed it.

[Edited 2008-07-08 04:28:51]

User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8925 times:



Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 8):
I'm not an airline guy in the least.... but I really doubt the size of a presence of a codeshare partner has much weight when it comes to choosing a diversion airport.... at least, I hope it doesn't...



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):
When push comes to shove, logic dictates that you divert to the NEAREST SUITABLE airport that can handle your aircraft. Period.

Right, but if that flight map was anything close to accurate, SLC was much further away than Denver.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 15):
SLC is 82 nm off the Great Circle route SFO-CDG
DEN is 229 nm off the Great Circle route SFO-CDG

Again, a look at the map reveals that the flight was a quite a bit past SLC and much closer to DEN.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
DEN had bad weather in the area,

THERE is the key piece of information. As Goldenshield pointed out, you divert to the nearest suitable airport that can handle your aircraft. If wx in DEN would have hampered the aircraft's ability to land safely or take off again, diverting there would have been risky move. Since SLC was available with no hindrances, and since the problem evidently wasn't that bad, theywent to SLC. And yes, one part of the equation may be the potential for rebooking stranded pax in the event the flight can't continue as planned. This would be much easier at a DL hub - just put pax on various DL flights to other AF cities and fly them on tomorrow's overnight flights from LAX, SFO, IAH, ORD, ATL, JFK, DTW, BOS, wherever.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7509 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8723 times:



Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 16):
Again, a look at the map reveals that the flight was a quite a bit past SLC and much closer to DEN.

The flight track shows the turnaround point along the Montana / Wyoming border.

From Sheridan (KSHR) it is 312 nm to KDEN and 325 nm to KSLC - 13 nm difference.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=k...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

But more likely the turn around point was closer to U68 - North Big Horn Airport - there the distances are 346 nm to KDEN and 292 nm to KSLC.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=k...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

You will notice that U68 is near inline with the UT/ CO border if extended to the WY/MT border, while KSHR is far to the east of that extended line.


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7829 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 9):
So what was the reason for the diversion?

Medical emergency.


User currently offlineSkyHarborsHome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6458 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 15):

They were very close to CPR when they turned back, with a 10,600 ft runway available if they needed it.

Now THAT would have been news. Seeing AF at Natrona County would be a nice spectacle.



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5963 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6160 times:



Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 19):
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 15):

They were very close to CPR when they turned back, with a 10,600 ft runway available if they needed it.

Now THAT would have been news. Seeing AF at Natrona County would be a nice spectacle.

Part of why they didn't go to CPR is how would they handle the aircraft, and get to the door, let alone FUEL the aircraft? The biggest aircraft that airport sees is a CRJ. You'd be looking at emptying the airport's weekly reserve in less than one fillup.



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5306 times:



Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 8):
I'm not an airline guy in the least.... but I really doubt the size of a presence of a codeshare partner has much weight when it comes to choosing a diversion airport.... at least, I hope it doesn't...



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 13):
When a diversion is caused by, let's say, the airport of destination closed, it is certainly taken in consideration

If it's not a mechanical problem or safety of flight issue, then who will ground handle you
at a diversion airport is important to take into account when choosing between a couple
of airports.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7509 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5237 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
Part of why they didn't go to CPR is how would they handle the aircraft, and get to the door, let alone FUEL the aircraft? The biggest aircraft that airport sees is a CRJ. You'd be looking at emptying the airport's weekly reserve in less than one fillup.

CPR would be a last resort airport for that size aircraft. CPR and BIL runways are rated at less than 300,000 pounds for double tandem aircraft.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24658 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5172 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 19):
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 15):

They were very close to CPR when they turned back, with a 10,600 ft runway available if they needed it.

Now THAT would have been news. Seeing AF at Natrona County would be a nice spectacle.

Part of why they didn't go to CPR is how would they handle the aircraft, and get to the door, let alone FUEL the aircraft? The biggest aircraft that airport sees is a CRJ.

An AF 777 diverted to Churchill (YYQ) on Hudson Bay in northern Manitoba in 2002. They had to use an evacuation slide to deplane the passengers since there were no stairs at YYQ tall enough to reach the aircraft's doors.


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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4945 times:
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Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 8):
I'm not an airline guy in the least.... but I really doubt the size of a presence of a codeshare partner has much weight when it comes to choosing a diversion airport.... at least, I hope it doesn't...

 checkmark  Getting the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible in a safe manner always takes precedence.  old 


25 Goldenshield : In your case, they HAD to get down to the ground fast. No words about it; the lives of everyone on board were at stake. But in this case here, it was
26 KPHXFlyer : This is BA 289, right? Diverted to SLC at the end of May?
27 Vikkyvik : Educated guess here, but you guys are probably looking at the box in the top right corner and thinking it's Colorado. It's not - it's Wyoming. Colora
28 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20080530/0026Z/KSLC/KPHX M
29 SLCguy : Sorry took so long, but here is the scoop. AF 083 (SFO-CDG) diverted to SLC with a medical problem. Didn't matter if it was DIA or SLC, they needed ti
30 Movingtin : Sounds like a normal A340 takeoff ! lol
31 SkyHarborsHome : I used to fly into CPR every 2 or 3 months on an EMB-120. Always a fun landing there. I realize that landing anything bigger than a CRJ would be a ve
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