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United Discontinues SFO-YYZ  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Effective Nov 2nd, United discontinues its daily (A319 currently) between SFO and Toronto.

United however continues to codeshare on Air Canada's 3x daily nonstop service between the two cities.


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9216 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Cutting this and that AGAIN????????? Can't they ADD service/amenities to retain existing customers and gain new customers? Geeeeeeeeez.

This route has been on for many years. I flew it many times.

What about LAX-YYZ? They still doing it?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7823 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4814 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
What about LAX-YYZ? They still doing it?

They havent done LAX-YYZ in years. Its always been AC in recent times.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9216 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Any other UA flights to/from YYZ apart from YYZ-ORD?

User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4638 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Any other UA flights to/from YYZ apart from YYZ-ORD?

Mainline and Express serve serve DEN-YYZ and Express serves IAD-YYZ.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20374 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4575 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Effective Nov 2nd, United discontinues its daily (A319 currently) between SFO and Toronto.

Good. That's a horribly inefficient use of an aircraft (especially a 319) when there are already 3x nonstops.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4371 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
What about LAX-YYZ? They still doing it?

Only AC (as mentioned) and AA (for now) do LAX-YYZ non-stop. AA's LAX-YYZ lasted this latest round of cuts, but we'll see, since that service basically overflies ORD. And we all know how the airlines feel these days about overflying their hubs.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4351 times:



Quoting Travelin man (Reply 6):
AA's LAX-YYZ lasted this latest round of cuts, but we'll see, since that service basically overflies ORD. And we all know how the airlines feel these days about overflying their hubs.

It's a very strong performing route for AA, even still today.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Didn't AS fly LAX-YYZ for a while back in the early/mid 90's with MD-80's? I seem to remember seeing an add in an old OAG for the service.

Regarding SFO-YYZ getting the axe...at least AC still serves the market well.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4137 times:
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Quoting Travelin man (Reply 6):

Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
What about LAX-YYZ? They still doing it?

Only AC (as mentioned) and AA (for now) do LAX-YYZ non-stop. AA's LAX-YYZ lasted this latest round of cuts, but we'll see, since that service basically overflies ORD. And we all know how the airlines feel these days about overflying their hubs.

And Westjet too don't forget, WS920/921



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User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4073 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
Can't they ADD service/amenities to retain existing customers and gain new customers?

umm.. they're losing money.. so they're cutting routes.. you can't expect them to add much at this point..


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9216 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Haven't seen the word 'add' from UA for a long time. Big grin If they want to retain their customers and attract new customers, they better come up with the best ever first/business/economy class products of their own kind with PTVs, AVODs etc. Otherwise...

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3601 times:
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Also, UA is slashing SJC remarkably as well. I don't know if it's not only because of fuel, OAK getting the axe completely and with their SFO hub 30-45 minutes north on the 101 but this is how things stand when I checked their recently updated schedules.
DEN:
Current: x5 daily- x4 752, x1 735 = 832 seats
13 October 2008 x5 daily - x2 733, x1 735, x1 319 x1 320 = 602 seats
loss of 230 seats

ORD
Current: x3 daily- x1 752 x2 319 =422 seats
13 October 2008 x1 daily- 752 = 182 seats
loss of 240 seats

IAD
Current x1 daily 319 =120 seats
13 October 2008 discontinued.
loss of 120 seats

LAX
Current:x4 daily- x4CRJ = 200 seats
13 October 2008 x4- x4 CRJ = 200 seats.
no change

Total loss: 590 seats.

What's going to happen to UA @ SJC?
Will the 737 fleet be withdraw from service in September? What will happen to these 733/735 flights?

It looks like SJC is dwindling away.
Thoughts?


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3344 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
It looks like SJC is dwindling away.
Thoughts?

Doesn't help that the airport is a pain in the ass to get in and out of with all of the construction, and the "friendly" traffic cops. SFO is a breeze comparatively. According to the local press, the expansion after the 1st phase is completed, may take awhile. Good non rev alternate airport when SFO is booked.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9216 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2897 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
They havent done LAX-YYZ in years.

UA never flew YYZ-LAX.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
It's a very strong performing route for AA, even still today.

Source? AA added a 2nd daily YYZ-LAX a few years back but cut it quickly. It has never upgraded the 738 to a larger aircraft on a regular basis so I question this route's performance.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
Didn't AS fly LAX-YYZ for a while back in the early/mid 90's with MD-80's? I seem to remember seeing an add in an old OAG for the service.

Yes. 2 daily M83's.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
Cutting this and that AGAIN?????????

Might just be seasonal. YYZ-SFO will likely quietly return next year.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6137 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2823 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
Might just be seasonal. YYZ-SFO will likely quietly return next year.

Bingo..YYZ-SFO has been on again off again for years, when the economy is good UA flies the route when the economy isn't doing so hot UA pulls the flight.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2698 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
It's a very strong performing route for AA, even still today.

Source? AA added a 2nd daily YYZ-LAX a few years back but cut it quickly. It has never upgraded the 738 to a larger aircraft on a regular basis so I question this route's performance

Years ago AA had a DC-10 nonstop YYZ-LAX, and AC regularly used 747s and L1011s. There used to be a lot of high yield movie industry traffic on that route with YYZ a major production site for many movies and TV series etc. I expect that business may have dropped somewhat since the Canadian dollar has appreciated so much against the U.S. dollar over the past 2 or 3 years.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):

Source?

Obviously nothing I will post. Just the fact that this route is still operating speaks volumes, however. s

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
It has never upgraded the 738 to a larger aircraft on a regular basis so I question this route's performance.

There is no proper larger aircraft to properly upgrade it to. The 738 is AA's lower-density aircraft for business markets.

[Edited 2008-07-08 19:42:50]


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2593 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
Source? AA added a 2nd daily YYZ-LAX a few years back but cut it quickly. It has never upgraded the 738 to a larger aircraft on a regular basis so I question this route's performance.

I would think with the amount of market share AC has on this that AA runs on QF's behalf to have it compete with UA for anyone coming from YYZ on to Australia. The reason I say this is that UA flies to SYD from both LAX and SFO as well as AC from YVR (and possibly from LAX at somepoint). Also NZ also flies into Australia as well so for market share from Canada potentially 3 star carriers overpower the efforts from AA and QF.

Now QF might not care about that which is fine because they seem to make a killing on anything from LAX and are willing to lose it. Also if WS ever reaches a deal with/joins oneworld carriers or joins them they can benefit from this route. But with their recent talks with a WN deal this may seem really unlikely.

I could see this being reduced somewhat buy not completely eliminated.



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2593 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Haven't seen the word 'add' from UA for a long time.

UA has been using the word "add" quite a bit lately, followed by the word "fee."


User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2511 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Haven't seen the word 'add' from UA for a long time.  If they want to retain their customers and attract new customers, they better come up with the best ever first/business/economy class products of their own kind with PTVs, AVODs etc. Otherwise...

The new First and Business are already rolling out.

UA was and still is adding some new routes. IAD-DXB is starting in a few months and IAD-DME is starting early next year. Some routes just aren't profitable with today's oil prices, and United will cut flights that do not add to the bottom line.



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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2302 times:



Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 21):
United will cut flights that do not add to the bottom line.

No kidding! You can say that again.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
OAK getting the axe completely and with their SFO hub 30-45 minutes north on the 101

With that statement I am under the impression that the station is closing..... Is it not?
I looked at the 13oct schedule and it seem that OAK DEN will be operated by TED 3x daily. OAK LAX still remain 4 flights on UAX.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
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Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 22):

With that statement I am under the impression that the station is closing..... Is it not?
I looked at the 13oct schedule and it seem that OAK DEN will be operated by TED 3x daily. OAK LAX still remain 4 flights on UAX.

Thankyou for pointing that out. It was ORD that got cut. My apologies.


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

I can see why many would be surprised at the loss of SFO-YYZ...as it is a Star Alliance hub-to-hub pairing. That being said, if AC is still flying it 3 times a day (and UA is indeed codesharing on that service), it's not as if all Star service is being pulled.

For many, service on UA to SFO seems like a necessity...those loyal UA fliers who do not live in a UA hub need/want it in order to have one-stop access to UA's TPAC flights. I remember when UA would have one daily A319 or A320 a day to many major cities ATL, DFW, IAH, BDL, BWI, for example, to use in order to connect the rest of the country easily and efficiently to their gateway at SFO, much in the same way that AA does/has used domestic flying from MIA and SJU, or DL has used from JFK.

Times are changing, however, and the reality may well be that UA no longer enjoys the market share/loyalty in the rest of the country that they did at one time...or that enough other transpacific gateways are opening up that make access to SFO less of a necessity.



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25 LAXintl : The market has not shrunk, or traffic declined. The days of L-1011/ B747/ 767 service by Air Canada, the route only had 2-3 daily flights by AC, whil
26 UA_727 : ADD=> especially in today's environment... -UA-
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