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User currently offlineLawndart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

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Southwest Airlines to Offer International Service via Pact With Canadian Carrier WestJet, Service Scheduled for Late 2009

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080708/latu024.html?.v=101

[Edited 2008-07-08 05:39:44]

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User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

Well that was quicker than I expected. If I was somebody trying to throw water on what is a positive news story for the two companies, right now I'd be trying to take a look at the ATA-Southwest partnership and analyze what went wrong and draw comparisons.

....they are completely different situations, of course, but that never stopped somebody with an agenda.


User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11338 times:

Could this be a prelude to the long-rumored WestJet expansion to the northeast/midwest portion of the US? That's the one weakness of this marriage, based on the current route map - there aren't any places that the two currently link up outside of Florida and the southwest portion of the country.

The cost of transborder flying from the northeast would indicate that this would be a good place for the two airlines to link up. Maybe at BWI, MHT and MDW?


User currently offlineRSBJ From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Great news! Now I can go visit my second favorite country. Oh Canada!


I fly really fast and take a lot of chances.
User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11160 times:

How about international codeshares from Love Field?  Big grin

That would just put AA and cjpark into apoplexy, wouldn't it?  Big grin



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4119 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11116 times:

WHY would these airlines (especially Southwest) make an announcement in July 2008 about something that they won't talk about or even put into effect until LATE 2009? Stupid.

The move may well be a good one, but now isn't the time to say much about it if the whole thing is about a year-and-a-half away.


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

I can see flights from across Canada into MDW, PHX and LAS (already doing so).

YYC, YYZ to BWI for sure

increased service to LAX...

this is good news to both WJ and Southwest


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

I wonder where the gateways will be? I'm sure BWI, PHL, MDW, BNA, LAS, LAX, FLL.. maybe OAK, SLC, PHX?

I would love to see WestJet offer some more US expansion..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11077 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
WHY would these airlines (especially Southwest) make an announcement in July 2008 about something that they won't talk about or even put into effect until LATE 2009? Stupid.

They will have the codeshare agreement fulfilled by the end of 2009. But the article mentions that "Soon" they will be able to have tickets of WJ sold on WN's site.

WN will become a distributor of WJ tickets.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11024 times:

I kinda wanted to see a WS/AA partnership since AA serves YYC, YVR and YYZ.

User currently offlineDfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10944 times:

Southwest Airlines finds Canadian partner for route system
09:38 AM CDT on Tuesday, July 8, 2008
By TERRY MAXON / The Dallas Morning News
tmaxon@dallasnews.com
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...nbussouthwestwestjet.35ba0135.html

Southwest Airlines Co, left without a code-sharing partner after the collapse of ATA Airlines Inc., said Tuesday it has signed an agreement with Canadian carrier WestJet to work together.

The two carriers said they have signed a memorandum of understanding with the intent to begin exchanging passengers by late 2009.

...

It will be Southwest’s first international code-sharing since a brief relationship with Icelandair in the 1990s.

Southwest has been updating and expanding its technology to allow it to handle international passengers, first with code-sharing partners and eventually by itself.

It had intended to work with ATA, which had some Mexico and Caribbean flights, until ATA shut down its operations and filed for bankruptcy earlier this year.

...


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10888 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
WHY would these airlines (especially Southwest) make an announcement in July 2008 about something that they won't talk about or even put into effect until LATE 2009? Stupid.

It's a "material event"; as a company with registered stock, they have to report it. Additionally, they probably feel there isn't much their competition can to do with the information.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10828 times:

sweeeet - fixes one of my work travel problems nicely I think.


Tower, Affirmitive, gear is down and welded
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4119 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10779 times:



Quoting BE77 (Reply 12):
they probably feel there isn't much their competition can to do with the information.

Right now and probably for several months, neither can customers.

Say you're a stock market analyst and you want to probe a bit to find out more. How many times will you be willing to hear, 'We'll be announcing those details later on...' before you just roll your eyes and give up?


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

So this will also give WN there Hawai'i flights,correct? Were does WestJet fly to Hawai'i from? (just YVR?)

User currently offlineBcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10677 times:



Quoting BAKJet (Reply 14):
So this will also give WN there Hawai'i flights,correct? Were does WestJet fly to Hawai'i from? (just YVR?)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you could originate in the United States and connect in Canada with a final destination in the United States.

bcoz


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1916 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10597 times:

Thank God! I heard these two guys were wanting to hitch a ride down to Texas on WN as soon as the agreement comes into place:


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10432 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 4):
How about international codeshares from Love Field?  

That would just put AA and cjpark into apoplexy, wouldn't it?  

ROFLMAO ! ! !  rotfl   laughing 

Quoting Bcoz (Reply 15):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you could originate in the United States and connect in Canada with a final destination in the United States.

Why not? Much like UK/EU, you would never leave the secured area in the airport to change planes.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10383 times:



Quoting Bcoz (Reply 15):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you could originate in the United States and connect in Canada with a final destination in the United States.

bcoz

Why not? Rather than see WN flying into YVR I expect we'll see Westjet increasing transborder flights to make better links.

Buried in this news story is the nugget that Westjet load factors fell in June, and yet they're still adding planes:

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/07/08/westjet.html


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

Yeah for airlines ADDING service to MDW. It'll be nice to see something new flying overhead that isn't WN or FL. Its been kinda boring since TZ left.

Also, if PD was planning on actually getting that MDW-YTZ service up and running, I think they may have to reconsider. I doubt most pax would pick a Q400 over a 737


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10343 times:



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 19):
Also, if PD was planning on actually getting that MDW-YTZ service up and running, I think they may have to reconsider. I doubt most pax would pick a Q400 over a 737

I think the reason why porter does (or woudl do) well is teh fact theat they offer flights out of YTZ rather than YYZ.


User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

I wonder if WestJet will move to the C Gates at LAS. If not, that makes for a longer connection, having to leave the secure area, take the bus to terminal two, etc. Or maybe they will have a bus?

User currently offlineBcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10254 times:



Quoting Multimark (Reply 18):
Why not? Rather than see WN flying into YVR I expect we'll see Westjet increasing transborder flights to make better links.

I could have sworn that I read somewhere that it wasn't permitted per U.S. federal regs, but I could be wrong.

bcoz


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10187 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
I wonder where the gateways will be? I'm sure BWI, PHL, MDW, BNA, LAS, LAX, FLL..

I think that will get them started, plus the markets they already share service in. Would love to see WestJet here in Nashville. That would be a great addition!



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineSouthwestjeteh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

Hi everyone! First day as a member of airliners.net and one of the happiest days of my life in the industry!!! This WN/WS partnership is great news and (I believe) is going to be huuuuuge... -oh, the posibilities! (or should I say: -the posibilities... eh?)   

[Edited 2008-07-08 10:25:12]

25 Gilesdavies : In some respects yes it will, give Southwest access to Hawaii again, but I am pretty sure passengers flying from the US into Canada and back to anoth
26 Drgmobile : Could this be a prelude to the long-rumored WestJet expansion to the northeast/midwest portion of the US? That's the one weakness of this marriage, ba
27 Sebring : It probably wasn't supposed to come out for some time but the SW CEO made an oblique reference to it in an interview, and because the partnership is
28 Post contains links EA CO AS : It was announced now because WN's CEO slipped and mentioned it during an interview with a Chicago newspaper a few days ago. Here's part of yesterday'
29 Railker : Now there's an interesting name should they ever merge and repaint their fleets ... SouthWestJet. Quite a mouthful too, it seems.
30 Visityyj : As someone who has previously pooh-poohed the notion of a WS/WN codeshare, I'm still reserving judgement. As recently as last month, my sources were f
31 Viscount724 : As long as one leg is on a U.S. carrier I don't see a problem. However, WestJet (or any Canadian carrier) cannot legally sell a ticket all the way be
32 777YYC : So much for WS joining Oneworld then, right?
33 MAH4546 : It's illegal. It is cabatoge. You can fly a U.S. carrier domestic via Canada (i.e. UA IAD-YYZ-DEN) or a Canadian carrier domestic via the U.S. (i.e.
34 Humberside : While some people are getting excited about Westjet flying to every WN focus city isn't it more likely that Westjet will expand US flying a more measu
35 Jeffrey1970 : I don't think there was anything wrong with the partnership. I could be wrong, but I think that ATA just did not have a lot of cash in the vault.
36 Syncmaster : ATA lost their military contract, that's what went wrong. The ATA scheduled service - the Hawaii service, not Midway - was actually growing and did w
37 TheHangarCat : So I see WN planes flying up to Canada into one of 4 WS focus cities YVR, YYC, YWG and YYZ. YWG because of it's mid continental location... Now YYZ mi
38 Brilondon : Won't my ex-neighbours along Queens Quay love more traffic. Most of these arrogant jerks want to shut down YTZ, I on the other hand would like to see
39 Yegbey01 : not necessarily!!! They will They would need to run YVR, YEG. YOW and YUL to MDW.
40 MCOflyer : I would hope to see daily service from these cities that WS will/or is serving. Will WN handle ground service in these cities? Hunter
41 RickYHM : WN has been to YHM a few times and YHM management has meet with WN as resently as the late winter early spring.
42 Brons2 : I don't think WN planes will cross the border, I think WS will do all the crossborder flying as they have more to gain by accessing WN's US network.
43 MMEPHX : hhhmmm...how about a new location in the uppper midwest...say a nice new station at MSP for WN & WS...WN feeding into MSP...WS fedeing out of MSP to
44 Byrdluvs747 : Not if they're partnered with WN. This deal kills any chance of that.
45 Cjpark : You do realize that this was taken into consideration in the compromise don't you? International code share is allowed in so much as the connections
46 Ckfred : Does the agreement preclude West Jet from entering into any other code shares with U.S. carriers? Think about the number of airlines that AS code shar
47 MasseyBrown : If it is a signed agreement, and the press release says it is, SEC rules say it must be reported promptly in an 8-K filing. If the CEO's comment refe
48 Chinook747 : I would love to see a WS YYC-DEN flight. Right now we have UA and AC on this route round trip fares sometimes can be quite high for very little servi
49 YWG747 : It will probably be the transfer point for 4 ports. YVR, YYC, YED, YWG if not more. I can't wait for this to go through. It is going to be a great th
50 PVD757 : I'd like to see WestJet serve PVD with a few flights to key Canadian cities. PVD could also offer some decent connecting opportunites to the WN system
51 Drgmobile : WS even seems to have gone to the trouble of holding back news of their disappointing June numbers so that they would be lost in today's news. A 76% l
52 Manu : You do know other airlines fly to Canada, right? (poke-poke) I'm just waiting for a FedEx and UPS merger for a cool name YHM is difficult to get to.
53 Drgmobile : I would consider going out of YTZ, but that's limited to props right now and WestJet's aircraft are all 737's. 737s out of Toronto City Centre. I am t
54 Post contains links TheHangarCat : http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...080709.RWESTJET09/TPStory/Business The cat is officially out of the bag now.. Seems like it's gonna be WS plane
55 ORDagent : The press here in Chicago has been talking about WN saying that they have a lot of ability to expand at MDW and that WS codeshare would start at MDW a
56 Drgmobile : The press here in Chicago has been talking about WN saying that they have a lot of ability to expand at MDW and that WS codeshare would start at MDW a
57 Yegbey01 : disagree with your quote..."used to be" is the more appropriate description!!!
58 Manu : The Gardner Expressway is way more noisy than a 737. Maybe we should just close it, and have WS land on the Gardner for their operations from downtow
59 Olympus69 : The only jets permitted to use YTZ are Medevac flights. The chances of this policy changing any time in the forseeablr future are infinitesimal. The
60 Yegbey01 : Still puzzels me that AC JAzz is not allowed back at YTZ
61 Drgmobile : Still puzzels me that AC JAzz is not allowed back at YTZ It apparently puzzles Jazz too. There's a lawsuit on. I realize the details are on terminal a
62 RickYHM : From the Hamilton Spectator (YHM)
63 SPREE34 : Oops. I completely forgot the "C" word. Excellent point gentlemen.
64 Post contains links Zrb2 : Here's an article from the Buffalo News talking about the effect of Southwest in drawing Canadian passengers to BUF Canada fights to get its airline p
65 Drgmobile : ere's an article from the Buffalo News talking about the effect of Southwest in drawing Canadian passengers to BUF There are at least 1.5 million Cana
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