Gc2 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
STN actually has more land than Heathrow, (although it doesn't use a big proportion of it) so its pretty large in that way, Terminal wise it's growing quickly, the new extension has just opened.
Theginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1): How and why did they get permission to do that?
I imagine they got SVFR (Special VFR) clearence to cross London airspace. Helicopters use SVFR clearance all the time around Heathrow and cross it a few times a day. I would guess a light aircraft was allowed to do it then as it was very early in the morning,
They crossed LHR at 0433, any later I imagine they wouldn;t have been able to do it as the first arrivals start coming in shortly after this.
RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6296 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 5): Because despite what NY thinks, London is the capital of the world !!!
Damn right.
Quoting Theginge (Reply 7): I imagine they got SVFR (Special VFR) clearence to cross London airspace. Helicopters use SVFR clearance all the time around Heathrow and cross it a few times a day. I would guess a light aircraft was allowed to do it then as it was very early in the morning,
They crossed LHR at 0433, any later I imagine they wouldn;t have been able to do it as the first arrivals start coming in shortly after this.
Thanks, I know nothing about such things so the info is appreciated. Some weeks ago I saw a light aircraft fly right over the middle of the runway (not down the runway but across it) and over the terminal at STN as I was leaving work in the afternoon, never saw such a thing before. I know this is light on details, but why would he be doing that at a major airport?
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9): Some weeks ago I saw a light aircraft fly right over the middle of the runway (not down the runway but across it) and over the terminal at STN as I was leaving work in the afternoon, never saw such a thing before. I know this is light on details, but why would he be doing that at a major airport?
Because sometimes it's a cool thing to do to fly over a big airport like that, and it is a learning experience for the pilot as you have to ask ATC for clearence to transit the airspace. It might even have been me depending when it was as a friend and I flew over STN when returning from the Pilot Magazine Fly In at Duxford a few weeks back !!.
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PapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
I'm curious why they landed before before their flyover of Luton. Did they do a touch and go there or did they need to stop and refuel?
Great video nonetheless - although I'm not too sure about the choice of music...
DiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 5): Because despite what NY thinks, London is the capital of the world !!!
This former NY'er and Anglophile won't disagree with that assertion.
Quoting Davehammer (Reply 6): As far as STN goes. I'm sure I read somewhere that with a second runway then it would in theory have a greater take off and landing capacity than LHR?
If STN has a less restrictive curfew, then yes, it would.
It's not the capacity of LHR that's exceptional (I live near an airport, ATL, with 250% as much runway capacity as LHR), it's the near 100% usage and the huge planes involved that make it the world'd third-busiest airport.
Wolflair From Mexico, joined Sep 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 13): Quoting Davehammer (Reply 6):
As far as STN goes. I'm sure I read somewhere that with a second runway then it would in theory have a greater take off and landing capacity than LHR?
If STN has a less restrictive curfew, then yes, it would.
Actually STN has a less restrictive curfew regarding operations, but there is a cap on its number of passengers server (as per the current planning permission). AFAIK it is 25 mill pax/year.
A second rwy requires an additional permit. There are lots of discussions and many NIMBYs are trying to put a big fight, but IMO the project will go through.
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B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2223 times:
Brilliant video. Love to see how calm LHR is, just before another day of rush.
MainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2064 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2208 times:
Quoting Rampguy (Reply 2): How can London support 3 large international airports?
One of the primary reasons is that it's disconnected from the rest of the continent by the sea!
This explains why (for example) Dublin and Oslo have O&D airports which seem disproportionately large to the size of the populations they serve. You can't drive anywhere, so there's only one realistic alternative.
Another pertinent reason is that the weather in the UK is so changeable and horrible, that we've got into the habit of flying off at every available opportunity.
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1472 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
Great video; looks like Elstree was their base airfield
As a local flyer in this area they could have also probably sneaked in Southend and the perhaps the smaller airfields of Panshanger, Fairoaks, Denham, White Waltham, Wycombe, Blackbushe, Farnborough and Biggin!
London are normally very accommodating of SVFR clearances through the Class A Hearthrow Zone; Gatwick & Luton similarly, although these are only Class D. Stansted (also D) are however are notoriously sulky, so I guess the early hour here was the trick. Looked like 737 heaven there.
One little observation is that North of Biggin (enroute London City), maintenance of Rule 5(d) - Low Flying becomes a little difficult in a single. I can only assume the lads had this in mind in electing their route
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
Quoting PapaNovember (Reply 12): I'm curious why they landed before before their flyover of Luton. Did they do a touch and go there or did they need to stop and refuel?
I don't think they landed, looks more like a low approach and go-around to me. Fuel would not be a problem for the PA-28 on a short flight like that.
Quoting Shankly (Reply 20): As a local flyer in this area they could have also probably sneaked in Southend and the perhaps the smaller airfields of Panshanger, Fairoaks, Denham, White Waltham, Wycombe, Blackbushe, Farnborough and Biggin!
And North Weald and Stapleford, heck maybe even Rochester too !!. Lot's of options on a flight around London however, I don't think flying over g/a airports that you can do anytime was the main reason for this flight !!.
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