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AA/FL And The Q400  
User currently offlineSaabFA71 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

I've heard some scuttlebutt over the past few months that AA (Eagle) and FL might consider taking deliveries of the Q400. For Eagle, it would make sense given their recent decision to phase out a good portion of their ERJs. The Q400 offers greater fuel efficiency than the ERJ. For FL, the Q400 could help them on routes during off-peak times or open up new city pairs where it wouldn't justify running a 717 or 737NG. But, I understand with oil being around $143 per barrel, any decision like that would have to thought through very carefully and may not even happen for a while.
Anyone else hear of anything like this?


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

It would be great if it did happen, but I personally don;t think either airline has the money to invest into new commuter/regional aircraft right now. But I hope I am wrong. I've flown on the Q's many times and they are a nice ride.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

I dont think there is much opportunity for the DH4 at FL. They are a different kind of airline than F9. They need to stimulate traffic at relatively low fares. If you can fill a 717, I dont think a DH4 has a lower CASM.

Now for Eagle is would be great. Everything within 250-300 miles from DFW and ORD could go DH4 except ORD-MSP/STL/DTW from DFW except IAH/TUL/SAT/AUS and maybe a couple of more.


User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

FL could make an ABSOLUTE KILLING on the Q400 for Intra-Florida esp now that DL has cut most of the routes

MCO to:
PNS
JAX
TLH
PFN
APF
EYW
RSW
PBI
FLL
MIA
VPS

TPA to:
TLH
PNS
JAX
MIA
EYW
PBI

RSW to:
JAX
TLH
PNS
MCO

PBI to:
JAX
TLH
PNS
TPA
MCO

Plus theres plenty of opportunity at ATL for TYS GSP CAE HSV BHM MOB and GSO.

Even if WN is on the route the Q400 b/e is so low and FL has a good Florida market share already where they could sucessfully compete.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

There is the issue of parking at ATL. They could be parked remotely but that would be poor service. The DH4 is great for replacing RJs. I dont think FL should be expandning right now.

User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2776 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
There is the issue of parking at ATL. They could be parked remotely but that would be poor service. The DH4 is great for replacing RJs. I dont think FL should be expandning right now.

FL has plenty of uses for the DH4 outside of ATL like Florida as mentioned above and even BWI

BWI to:
GSO
RIC
HPN
HVN (i think they'd cash in big on this one)
SYR
BTV (off season, peak season 717s)
PWM (mix of jets.props in off season)
ROC (mix, maybe supplemental frequency)
Maybe even an AVP or ROA



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User currently offlineSaabFA71 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

No doubt, the Q400 would be excellent for FL out of BWI. They can supplement many of the routes they already have or open up new ones in the northeast or southeast. The old US commuter gates at the D pier could breathe in some new life again.
If AA Eagle got them, they could dispatch some Q400s to JFK and relaunch some of the old ATR/Saab/ERJ routes to help tie in with connections to the international flights, particularly, the European and Latin American/Caribbean routes.



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I could AA over FL using the Q400. I don't think we'll see aircarft purchases anytime soon.

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

AA already has the AT7's...I'd think they'd stick with those planes for a future order.

User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2512 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
FL could make an ABSOLUTE KILLING on the Q400 for Intra-Florida esp now that DL has cut most of the routes

MCO to:
PNS
JAX
TLH
PFN
APF
EYW
RSW
PBI
FLL
MIA
VPS

TPA to:
TLH
PNS
JAX
MIA
EYW
PBI

RSW to:
JAX
TLH
PNS
MCO

PBI to:
JAX
TLH
PNS
TPA
MCO

Plus theres plenty of opportunity at ATL for TYS GSP CAE HSV BHM MOB and GSO.

Even if WN is on the route the Q400 b/e is so low and FL has a good Florida market share already where they could sucessfully compete.

Wow good point , and they could walk into the Florida-Bahamas market. That would be great to finaly get a propper airline down here in florida.



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2467 times:



Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 6):
If AA Eagle got them, they could dispatch some Q400s to JFK and relaunch some of the old ATR/Saab/ERJ routes to help tie in with connections to the international flights, particularly, the European and Latin American/Caribbean routes.

Yes, because JFK needs more peak-hour flights to connect with the morning and evening international pushes.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16877 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2462 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 8):
AA already has the AT7's...I'd think they'd stick with those planes for a future order.

The AT7 is inferior to the Q-400 in range, speed and I believe fuel consumption.

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 6):
If AA Eagle got them, they could dispatch some Q400s to JFK and relaunch some of the old ATR/Saab/ERJ routes to help tie in with connections to the international flights, particularly, the European and Latin American/Caribbean routes.

I think for AA the Q-400 would be perfect for JFK (as mentioned) and especially ORD, lots of Midwestern Cities within 500-600 miles (optimum Q400 routes) of Chicago.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2199 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
The AT7 is inferior to the Q-400 in range, speed and I believe fuel consumption.

 checkmark  What about next generation ATRs, though? You're really comparing apples to oranges; the more apt comparison would be between a (hypothetical) Q400 with -200 technology and the AT7.



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2138 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9):
Wow good point , and they could walk into the Florida-Bahamas market. That would be great to finaly get a propper airline down here in florida.

Exactly, they are a very well known brand in florida, and have plenty of feed. Plus markets like EYW and APF with a Q400 would mint money. MCO-EYW for $89 e/w would be full every day, and profitable on a Q400!



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