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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19245 times:

Hi all,

I remember about a month or two there was a thread on here questioning whether or not BA would in fact install a new FIRST cabin. I've tried to locate that thread but could not.

Some of you may be aware that there is a BA chat forum where frontline staff are able to pose questions to management.

Today the question of 'when will we get our new FIRST class' was answered by the General Manager - Cabin Logistics.

The first aircraft goes into the hanger beginning of March 2009 and will be flying the end of March.

No other details were released, I guess for competitive reasons though i'm sure details will filter through in time.

So YES a new FIRST cabin is on the way and we now have a date when we will see it  Wink

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19096 times:
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Can't wait to see what the new BA FIRST looks like, I hope its a lot better then the Qantas First, which is a real let down from the expectation. QF could have done a suite for the A380.

User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19044 times:

About time! I hope BA will knock the socks off its competitors... Please bring back trolley service like the old days... make the cabin a bit more social, we'll eventually get all the privacy we need pushing daisies...no cubicles or sarcophagi please.

User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19046 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Can't wait to see what the new BA FIRST looks like, I hope its a lot better then the Qantas First, which is a real let down from the expectation. QF could have done a suite for the A380.

If you did some research into the new Qantas product rather then judging it based on ONE picture you have seen on these forums then you would realise how good it actually is and you would have known that it is in fact a suite. I suggest you look at this link: Qantas A380.

Good to hear BA are enhancing their product.

ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlineStgs1988 From Denmark, joined Sep 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18841 times:

The man MIGHT be mentioned the product that QF offered on their "old" 747's...

User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18600 times:

So march eh? cool! Is there a launch date for maybe showing it of before the first aircraft gets it?
Also i presume it will be the 744s that are going to get it first. Is that going to be the case?


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18555 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Can't wait to see what the new BA FIRST looks like, I hope its a lot better then the Qantas First, which is a real let down from the expectation. QF could have done a suite for the A380.



Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 3):

What he said...

QF and BA tend to have similar products, so I am betting the BA product will be very modern, very now, and a bit like the QF one. Can't wait to see it though!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3688 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18486 times:

Might some 777's get NCW and the new 1st fitted at the same time; or will the NCW rollout be completed by March 2009 ?

User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 18362 times:

BA is being very tight lipped on how the new cabin will look.

The usual speculation flies around: the cabin reducing from 14 to 12 seats, some speculators even claiming 8.

On a recent training course I attended the in-flight services manager stated that the new product would be 'more evolution than revolution'. I read that as a more modern, up-to-date take of the current product but who knows.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
Might some 777's get NCW and the new 1st fitted at the same time; or will the NCW rollout be completed by March 2009 ?

I've only seen the 777 refit schedule for 2008. I would imagine it will be continuing into march 2009 so it would make perfect sense that if the aircraft is in the hanger being re-fitted with Club to do the FIRST cabin as well instead of taking the aircraft offline again a few months later.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18123 times:



Quoting BAStew (Reply 8):
I've only seen the 777 refit schedule for 2008. I would imagine it will be continuing into march 2009 so it would make perfect sense that if the aircraft is in the hanger being re-fitted with Club to do the FIRST cabin as well instead of taking the aircraft offline again a few months later.

Do you know how the 772 New Club World refit programme is going and can you give us an insight as to the future schedule? Since there has been no whisper of any problems I assume things are looking good.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18018 times:

BA have had G-VIIY flying around for a while as the sole 777 with the strect seats. This was to identify any potential problems . As yet it is the only 777 that has been fitted out.

BA will concentrate on putting the new seats on the 4 class 777LR aircraft. When the Long Range a/c go in for reconfiguration they will also move toilets and the flight crew rest to a OHAR facility.

BA will only fit AVOD to there 777 fitted with the Rockwell Collins System.
Meaning the G-MIIS aicraft will have the old system just a bigger screen. BA are looking into introducing a handheld device in First and Club until these aircarft aicraft benefit from the next generation IFE system which will probably not be rolled out until 2011/12.

The GMIIS aicraft are G-VIIA - N, G-ZZZA/B/C and G-RAES.

At the moment it is planned that:

1 x GMIS aicraft, 3 x G-YMM* and 2 x Rockwell fitted 777's will be fitted in Sept

2 x G-YMM* and 2 x Rockwell fitted 777's will be fiited out in Oct

3 x G-YMM*, will be fitted out in Nov

2 x G-YMM* and 3 x GMIS 777 G-VII*, will be fitted in Dec.

The exact a/c regs keep changing and of course will be subject to operational requirements.

[Edited 2008-07-08 19:26:10]

User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17227 times:

Fingers crossed the New York routes are covered first. I'm flying to Newark in December on a 777, and back from Calgary on a 767, which means the EWR route is the only chance this year I'll have of NCW and AVOD


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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17101 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
The GMIIS aicraft are G-VIIA - N, G-ZZZA/B/C and G-RAES.

Actually the GMIS aircraft go from G-VIIA to G-VIIS as well as G-ZZZA/B/C and G-RAES

Having seen an early prototype of the new first seat I can confirm it is more of an evolution rather than revolution. However the seat as it was then was extremely comfortable and a great improvement from the current first seat.



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16538 times:



Quoting BAStew (Reply 8):
The usual speculation flies around: the cabin reducing from 14 to 12 seats, some speculators even claiming 8

BAs key marketing concept in First has always been the exclusivity of it, and in that sense a small reduction in the number of F seats would make sense. With Club being their real money spinner its the J cabin where the number of seats is a key criteria.

The new product should allow BA to increase their F fares a bit as there have been some very good bargains recently, possibly as a sign of the ageing product?

Cant wait to try it!



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16514 times:

It's about time they come out with a new First Class product!


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User currently offlineJoeyby From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16353 times:

wow qantas first on the new a380 looks pretty impressive, just not too sure on the pivoting chair....BA will need to beat this
anyway i really really really hope BAs new First product is impressive and it is definately well over due.
My main expectations would be an updated chair, definately a much larger screen, more storage space, more exclusivity (lower amount to 10) and i dont see why cubicles would be a bad idea......


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14831 times:



Quoting JAL (Reply 14):
It's about time they come out with a new First Class product!

I was just thinking the opposite. I don't think the current First class product has been round long enough.

Like SQ have demonstrated with their A380 Suites, there is a lot of money out there willing to be spent on super luxury standards. Hope BA is going in that direction.

Would I get shot down for saying all the airlines end up with roughly the same premium products in the end anyway? Lounge access, chauffeur, big seat, food, service.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13730 times:



Quoting Geo772 (Reply 12):
Actually the GMIS aircraft go from G-VIIA to G-VIIS as well as G-ZZZA/B/C and G-RAES

I've flown on G-VIIO and G-VIIS and i'm pretty sure they are Rockwell Collins. I know definately up to G-VIIN, as stated earlier, have GMIS as all the 777's i've flown up to this registration are indeed 'vintage IFE'. I searched a trip report from 3 years ago I did on G-VIIO and it does have Rockwell Collins screens.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/60320

Quoting Babybus (Reply 16):
Would I get shot down for saying all the airlines end up with roughly the same premium products in the end anyway? Lounge access, chauffeur, big seat, food, service.

No you won't get shot down but it isn't exactly correct. There is a great variety of products out there for the premium passenger, from cradle seats to sloping beds to flat beds to full blown suites. Some have chauffeurs, some don't- some have trolley service, some don't etc



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User currently offlineAfricawings From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12866 times:
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Quoting BALHRWWCC
"BA will concentrate on putting the new seats on the 4 class 777LR aircraft. When the Long Range a/c go in for reconfiguration they will also move toilets and the flight crew rest to a OHAR facility"

When did BA order 777LRs? That's news to me.


User currently offlinePhileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

Its about time they change those seats.

User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12429 times:

Maybe I'm missing some info...but why didn't BA just convert the F cabin when they did the J cabin retrofit? Wouldn't that have saved the planes time and money..or was there not a design at the time?


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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12356 times:



Quoting Africawings (Reply 18):
"BA will concentrate on putting the new seats on the 4 class 777LR aircraft. When the Long Range a/c go in for reconfiguration they will also move toilets and the flight crew rest to a OHAR facility"

When did BA order 777LRs? That's news to me.

BA operates three different weights of 777.

A market GE90 G-ZZZA/B/C
B market GE90 G-VIIA to Z and G-RAES
B market RR Trent G-YMMA to G-YMMP, these are used on the 'Long Range' sectors.

When the stretch seat was introduced the new first product was only in a very early concept stage.



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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12158 times:



Quoting TCXDegsy (Reply 11):
Calgary on a 767, which means the EWR route is the only chance this year I'll have of NCW and AVOD

You will have AVOD on the 767 also! BAs 767s to me are the best even if they have the old club world! Best config for CW IMO is the 767!

Quoting Africawings (Reply 18):
When did BA order 777LRs? That's news to me.

I beleive he is talking about BAs 777s that have the 4 class config and are used on their Long Haul premium routes rather than the ones that operate out of LGW and also only have 3 classes


User currently offlineBirdseed From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 21):
BA operates three different weights of 777.

In fact, they operate four versions/weights:


ZZZA - ZZZC with MTOW approx 243T and GE90-76B engines

RAES, VIIA - VIIN, VIIS, VIIU - VIIY with MTOW approx 268T and GE90-85B engines (apart from IS, IU - IY, which have GE90-90Bs)

VIIO - VIIR, VIIT with MTOW 275T and GE90-90B engines (apart from IO which has GE90-85Bs)

YMMA - YMMP with MTOW approx 298T and RR Trent 895 engines


The aircraft are mixed among the routes, apart from some routes which can only be flown by the RR aircraft. There is also a variety of class/passenger configs, with aircraft allocated to routes accordingly.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 5):
Also i presume it will be the 744s that are going to get it first. Is that going to be the case?

I suppose it depends which aircraft are flying the premium routes. If the oil price continues to rise, the 777s will probably be doing most of the longer stuff, though the jumbo will probably stay on JFK - one of BA's top premium routes - for capacity.

[Edited 2008-07-09 15:42:09]

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11960 times:
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Quoting BAStew (Reply 8):
The usual speculation flies around: the cabin reducing from 14 to 12 seats, some speculators even claiming 8.

Given Cathay recently went from 12 First seats to 9 in the 744 I would bet BA's New First will be under 10 seats. BA was the first airline back in 1996 to do away with the traditional seats to partioned single seats reducing the then First configuration from 18 to 14 seats in a 744.


25 BAStew : The 777's that are having toilets, galleys etc moved around are the 3 class LHR based 777's already in service (777's with no FIRST). When they go in
26 Fbgdavidson : I look forward to seeing what BA have up their sleeves, I'm hoping they'll look closely at the new CX First Class seat. It shows you don't need to hav
27 Tonystan : The Lavs are in the process of being updated THANK GOD!!!! and there is talk into fitting 777 style overheads in at some stage depending on how much
28 Viscount724 : I've always found the overhead bins in 747 upper decks rather small also, or are BA's larger than most?
29 Fbgdavidson : They are smaller than downstairs but I always pre-assign window seats which have roomy side bins, and in addition to that the crew seem willing to le
30 Albird87 : Well i have no problems with overhead bins as i dont carry huge amounts of stuff and well to me, a toilet on an aircraft isnt a place that i try and
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