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NW To Cut 2,500 Employee, Add 1st Bag Fee  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080709/20080709006007.html?.v=1

Simply doing what everyone else is doing.

-2,500 employees to be cut, unknown through voluntary measures
- 1st checked bag fee of $15, waved for Elites
- Implementing Worldperks Award ticket fees
- Increasing ticket change fees by $50
Reflects the sad state of the industry and economy currently.

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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12227 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Simply doing what everyone else is doing.

Correct me here on the charges:

The bag fee does not apply to those who pay a full fare ticket in Y or those in J or domestic F, but what if you are travelling on a WorldPerks F award ticket?


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

The underlying question here would be will these new charges go away should the proposed DL merger receive approval (especially if DL does NOT inplement any fees of the like)?

From the above-link (Bold emphasis added):

Checked Bag Fees

NWA is matching several competitors including American Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways, with plans to charge $15 for the customer’s first checked bag. The new policy applies to tickets sold on or after July 10, for travel starting August 28, throughout the United States as well as travel between the U.S. and Canada.

NWA also charges $25 for a second checked bag and $100 for three or more checked bags. Frequent flier elites are exempt from the policy, along with full-fare coach passengers.

WorldPerks® Award Tickets

NWA is also matching competitors by implementing a service fee for award tickets. For WorldPerks® Award tickets issued in North America on or after September 15, 2008, NWA will charge $25 for domestic tickets, $50 for Trans-Atlantic tickets, and $100 for Trans-Pacific travel.

Steenland noted, “This is a temporary service fee to partially offset our fuel costs. As fuel comes down, we will re-visit this decision.”

I'm not holding my breath on the latter.

In short, one has to pay a fee in order to redeem previously-earned WorldPerks miles? Isn't that like having to pay a fee at a supermarket in order to redeem an existing coupon?

It looks like NW is making it less attractive for me to redeem my WorldPerks miles that I accrued during the years I flew them for my TOL/DTW trips to visit my father (when he resided there).

Should I do a PHL-PDX r/t itinerary on NW, it looks like I have to do the trip prior to Aug. 28 to avoid the new fees. Otherwise, my business will go to either CO, DL, F9 or WN for such a trip.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12068 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
looks like I have to do the trip prior to Aug. 28 to avoid the new fees.

No. There is no date according to the article you posted. You just need to book the award travel by 15 September to avoid the fees.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4974 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12038 times:
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
will these new charges go away should the proposed DL merger receive approval (especially if DL does NOT inplement any fees of the like)?

DL was the first (and so far only one besides today's NW announcement) to implement the $25/$50 fee for award tickets. NW however took it one step further with the $100 fee for Transpacific awards (still $50 on DL I believe).

As for the $15 first bag fee, DL has not implemented that one - only AA, UA, and US.


User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11983 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Reflects the sad state of the industry and economy currently.

reflects the "panic and the disco" mentality occurring at all the majors. and of course we all know how sound those decisions made during panic mode are!

yet WN soldiers on with no ticket change or first bag checked fees. i really hope southwest comes to msp very soon...unfortunately i can't hold my breath that long!

btw, the 200-300 million in additional revenue from these new and expanded fees will help the bottom line about as much as throwing a water balloon at a raging forrest fire! fundamental change is needed these fees won't fix anything...they'll just serve to piss off already mad customers!

[Edited 2008-07-09 11:53:00]

[Edited 2008-07-09 11:55:16]

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11967 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
As for the $15 first bag fee, DL has not implemented that one - only AA, UA, and US.

US has the award booking fees as well I believe.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11874 times:

What is NW trying to offset by implementing a fee? Are they trying to offset the cost of fuel to carry the bag, or are they trying to offset the cost of labor to handle the bag from check in at the origination to the bag belt at the destination?

User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Sucks to see, but not entirely unexpected.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 6):

As well as special seat fees, fees for drinks both alcoholic and not, etc. Some things are understandable, but US has just taken things to another level (down, to be specific).


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11776 times:



Quoting FlyABR (Reply 5):
btw, the 200-300 million in additional revenue from these new and expanded fees will help the bottom line about as much as throwing a water balloon at a raging forrest fire! fundamental change is needed these fees won't fix anything...they'll just serve to piss off already mad customers!

I agree.

Quoting FlyABR (Reply 5):
reflects the "panic and the disco" mentality occurring at all the majors. and of course we all know how sound those decisions made during panic mode are!

I agree.

Quoting CatIII (Reply 7):
What is NW trying to offset by implementing a fee? Are they trying to offset the cost of fuel to carry the bag, or are they trying to offset the cost of labor to handle the bag from check in at the origination to the bag belt at the destination?

The equivalent of looking for loose change under the drivers seat in your car.

I really don't know how much thought has been going into these fees to determine the cost / benefit from lost time, customer complaints, lost bookings, and overall lost revenue.

The booking by phone fees are what I simply do not understand. What other industry charges you to purchase their product???

Wholesale raising the cost of airfare would seen so much more logical, but oh well....


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11578 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):

That's kind of how I feel, because if it is offsetting the cost of fuel, if I put my rollaboard in the overhead or check it the airline still has to haul that weight regardless of where it is on the plane. And what happens if I'm in zone 27 (being sarcastic here of course), and I get on the plane and there is no room for my appropriately sized rollaboard, and I am forced to gate check it (which happens fairly regularly)? Do I have to cough up the $15 bucks then? Do I pay the F/A in cash, check, or credit card?

It would seem to me that charging for bags has the unintended consequence of delaying the boarding process as everyone tries to carry on a bag.


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11495 times:

This is a very awkward situation since DL publically stated through press releases the 1st bag fee was something they would never do, and basically laughed at AA for suggesting it. Why would NW head in the opposite direction at this point?

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11491 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
looks like I have to do the trip prior to Aug. 28 to avoid the new fees.

No. There is no date according to the article you posted. You just need to book the award travel by 15 September to avoid the fees.

I was referring to the $15 checked bag fee as well as the award fee. Should I do this trip, it would be for a few days, so one checked bag would most likely be warranted.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
will these new charges go away should the proposed DL merger receive approval (especially if DL does NOT inplement any fees of the like)?

DL was the first (and so far only one besides today's NW announcement) to implement the $25/$50 fee for award tickets. NW however took it one step further with the $100 fee for Transpacific awards (still $50 on DL I believe).

As for the $15 first bag fee, DL has not implemented that one - only AA, UA, and US.

Thanks for the correction. I should've worded my earlier comment to just the first checked bag fee.

Another quote from the linked-article Bold emphasis added:
Ticket Change Fees
NWA also followed moves by American, United, Continental and US Airways to increase fees for ticket changes. Starting July 9, the fee for domestic non-refundable ticket changes will increase from $100 to $150. International ticket change fees will increase by an additional $50 to $150 per ticket, depending on class of service and other restrictions.


I wasn't aware of the increase in ticket change fees. Major OUCH! Sorry, but this factor alone is another reason to consider flying WN (at least for domestic travel); their change fee is still ZERO.



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User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11416 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 9):
The equivalent of looking for loose change under the drivers seat in your car.

I really don't know how much thought has been going into these fees to determine the cost / benefit from lost time, customer complaints, lost bookings, and overall lost revenue.

The booking by phone fees are what I simply do not understand. What other industry charges you to purchase their product???

Wholesale raising the cost of airfare would seen so much more logical, but oh well....

the one that really gets me is when you walk up to a northwest counter (ticket agent) and buy a ticket...they tack on what is it...like 25 extra bucks! isn't that like going to a pontiac dealership and paying extra to buy a pontiac?? the mind boggles...


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

If Northwest were smart, they wouldn't mention themselves and USAirways in the same press release, much less the same sentence!

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
NWA is matching several competitors including American Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways, with plans to charge $15 for the customer’s first checked bag.

They might as well have said, "Hey, we're as classy as the crappiest three carriers around!"
 Yeah sure


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11335 times:
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Looks like I'll be driving to OMA instead of MSP for sure now.

User currently offlineFrmrCAPCADET From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1743 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11321 times:



Quoting FlyABR (Reply 13):
the one that really gets me is when you walk up to a northwest counter (ticket agent) and buy a ticket...they tack on what is it...like 25 extra bucks! isn't that like going to a pontiac dealership and paying extra to buy a pontiac?? the mind boggles...

In 1967 I was going to buy a GTO, after finishing the negotiations (I thought), I said, OK, I'll take it. What about a trannie? I'll take the standard one. Er um, it doesn't come with one. Bye I said.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

Dear God, here we go again....

I understand that costs are skyrocketing, and the airlines have to bring in more $$, BUT...

If they're already raising fares anyway, why the need for higher and newly dreamed-up fees on top of that???? Why can't airlines be up-front and just charge airfares that cover their costs, and DITCH to enraging fees??

If our country wasn't so backwards and we had real, practical alternatives, I would be saying bye-bye to air travel for a bit, and would advise everyone to do the same. But, alas, our gov't officials have had their heads in the sand for 30-odd years, and we're stuck with driving ourselves, or flying if it's a fair distance, and neither choice is very attractive any more. The American public is being held hostage.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11232 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Correct me here on the charges:

The bag fee does not apply to those who pay a full fare ticket in Y or those in J or domestic F, but what if you are travelling on a WorldPerks F award ticket?

Or B fare class.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
Steenland noted, “This is a temporary service fee to partially offset our fuel costs. As fuel comes down, we will re-visit this decision.”
I'm not holding my breath on the latter.

At least NW is saying that it is, the rest have not said this.

Quoting CatIII (Reply 7):
What is NW trying to offset by implementing a fee? Are they trying to offset the cost of fuel to carry the bag, or are they trying to offset the cost of labor to handle the bag from check in at the origination to the bag belt at the destination?

Look at the above quote "This is a temporary service fee to partially offset our fuel costs"

Quoting Junction (Reply 11):
Why would NW head in the opposite direction at this point?

They are still two seperate companies, still competing, and the merger hasn't even been approved so it potentially could still not happen. Worry about yourself first before others.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 17):
If they're already raising fares anyway, why the need for higher and newly dreamed-up fees on top of that???? Why can't airlines be up-front and just charge airfares that cover their costs, and DITCH to enraging fees??

Because those fare raises are not doing any good when oil is shooting up $1.50 a day, which is another few million in annual fuel costs with the increases for each dollar.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11116 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Because those fare raises are not doing any good when oil is shooting up $1.50 a day, which is another few million in annual fuel costs with the increases for each dollar.

Isn't this the kind of situation Yield Management was developed for? So what if they have to continually adjust fares (usuallly upward)?? Just build the "fees" into the base fares, and be honest about it!! The amount of $$ demanded by a company for its product should cover its costs of doing business, PERIOD.



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11094 times:
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Quoting Junction (Reply 11):
This is a very awkward situation since DL publically stated through press releases the 1st bag fee was something they would never do, and basically laughed at AA for suggesting it. Why would NW head in the opposite direction at this point?



Quoting FlyABR (Reply 13):
the one that really gets me is when you walk up to a northwest counter (ticket agent) and buy a ticket...they tack on what is it...like 25 extra bucks! isn't that like going to a pontiac dealership and paying extra to buy a pontiac?? the mind boggles...

It is because the airlines are so freakin desperate, they're grasping at straws at this point. Unfortunately, they are only looking at short term gain, and completely ignoring the long term damage they're doing.

It is absurd to think that these nickels and dimes will compensate to a degree large enough to offset: a) the cost of fuel or b) the decline in business that results from alienating your loyal customer base.

At this point, the so-called "no-frills" airlines are now starting to be far more user friendly than the so-called "full service" carriers.



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10962 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
"This is a temporary service fee to partially offset our fuel costs"

Thanks. Missed that, I guess this point still applies then:

Quoting CatIII (Reply 10):
if it is offsetting the cost of fuel, if I put my rollaboard in the overhead or check it the airline still has to haul that weight regardless of where it is on the plane.



User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10941 times:
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Quoting FlyABR (Reply 5):
yet WN soldiers on with no ticket change or first bag checked fees. i really hope southwest comes to msp very soon...unfortunately i can't hold my breath that long!

Wait until Southwest's fuel hedges expire. They will be forced to raise prices.
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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10941 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
Looks like I'll be driving to OMA instead of MSP for sure now.

That's a LONG drive for you....4.5 hours vs 2.5 hours or so to MSP. I'm assuming you go to OMA to catch southwest?


User currently offlineBrandonfs88 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10887 times:

why doesn't NWA and the other carriers that are charging for the 1st bag set it up on there website when you buy a ticket you can prepay for your 1st checked bag?

25 Post contains links Jerion : I found a little more information in this article. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/business/10air.html?hp One highlight: NWA tickets purchased after
26 AWACSooner : Let me ask the obvious: Why are they doing this when they're going to merge with DL? The first thing DL is probably gonna do is sack this pathetic POS
27 DeltaL1011man : Because NW is still NW sure mayor things (new routes A/C parking) goes to Atlanta first buy I don't think DL really cares if NW adds the fee. Because
28 GSPSPOT : I want it to be HONEST. The price you pay, is the price you pay, PERIOD. How hard is that to understand???? If you're paying the same total anyway, a
29 Boston92 : What if you had no checked bags? Why would you want the $15 to be all inclusive if not everyone (in fact the minority) has to pay?
30 SNCntry32 : Indeed. People seem to be forgeting, NW and DL are still, two, very separate airlines. They will be one someday, but someday isnt tommrow. NW can, an
31 PHXmd80 : No, yeild or revenue management was develpoed to make an extra buck when times were good. The airlines would be smart to drop the system and just cha
32 GSPSPOT : Thanks for the clarification. I totally agree - you said what I've been trying to say!
33 Iloveboeing : Agreed. Customers are already upset and adding all these ridiculous fees are just going to upset them even more. These airlines need to realize that
34 AirNZ : But that's not exactly being honest or open either. If a fee is implemented for such as first/second bag or whatever, then the pax has the option of
35 Flyabr : what makes you so sure that WN will all of sudden have no hedges left?? me thinks they are much smarter than that. they have certainly been more proa
36 FlyABR : that steenland quote appeared to be solely related to the fees instituted on worldperks tickets...and not the other fees.
37 Iloveboeing : Yes, please! Get rid of the yield management system altogether! Have a flat rate per mile and charge something that is affordable, yet covers costs.
38 FlyABR : uh...i think what delta "said" was that they currently had no plans to introduce a similar fee. but i'll bet you they jump on the bandwagon...because
39 Rwy04LGA : Here's why! I never check luggage, non-rev or not. Few people really need ALL that crap anyway. WHAT?????
40 LAXdude1023 : There is one upside to charging a $15 bag fee as opposed to adding $15 to the fare. You can make the elites exempt from it. If you put into the fare,
41 FlyABR : ummm...it's really hard to go on a seven day vacation and stuff everything you need in an overnight bag!
42 GSPSPOT : Besides all of which, what's said isn't alway what's done....[Edited 2008-07-09 15:50:21]
43 Rwy04LGA : ummm...not for me. Last month, I traveled to 5 countries on 3 continents in 2 weeks with 1 carryon and had 0 problems.[Edited 2008-07-09 15:48:01]
44 Iowaman : Yes. Plus what I'll save in parking will easily pay for gas. Unlikely.
45 FlyABR : congratulations...you are the gold standard traveler...go ahead and pat yourself on the back ...
46 GSPSPOT : It should all be averaged out "per ticket". There's got to be a number that satisfies all the costs involved with a particular trip, so you don't hav
47 Boston92 : What they should do is give non exempt travelers the option to purchase checked bag servcie on the internet for a discounted fee of $10 or something.
48 Post contains links Evan767 : Here's what Glen Hauenstein has to say about the first checked bag fee for all you people that think Delta is going to adopt it. http://money.cnn.com
49 Burnsie28 : Right but nobody is going to pay for those fares that most everyone need. They probably won't just have no hedges, but they won't have their favorabl
50 Boston92 : "We don't think thats where we want to go" (On the subject of charging for first bag). Seems really sure to me. Plus, who is this guy? The Vice Presi
51 GSPSPOT : They may have no choice.
52 FlyABR : where that quote is located in the press release leads me to believe he is talking about W class ticket fees... what do you mean by favorable hedges?
53 Planefxr : Glen Hauenstein is probably one of the most talented of all of DL's management team. He has come in and totally reworked the entire network, raising
54 Evan767 : Took the words right out of my mouth. Glen is an extremely respectable man.
55 DeltaL1011man : But its only to a point. If NW wanted to sell off all the 744s then it would get the OK from Atlanta before it happend. Yes but then people like me w
56 GSPSPOT : Pls see one of my previous posts -
57 FlyABR : but the point of those fees is not to make people get smarter about how they pack. the airline would love nothing more than for everybody on the plan
58 Iloveboeing : Because, IMO, everything should be included in the cost of a ticket. It is not fair to nickel-and-dime customers to death. I think the legacy carrier
59 767-332ER : Completely wrong here. This guy is not the EVP of International Network for Delta, he is, the EVP of Network and Revenue Management for Delta (CNN pu
60 NorthstarBoy : this is actually not necessarily true, while WN doesn't charge a change fee per se, anytime you change a nonrefundable ticket on southwest, regardles
61 Boston92 : Fine, I just went by what the video expressed which was completely about international travel. Then the lady brought up checked baggage fees for dome
62 CokePopper : I agree completely. BTW Why do I pay the Cable company for a bunch of channels that I don't even watch or want?
63 SkyguyB727 : That's what is being done. The primary function of the agents at the check-in counter is to assist with passenger check-in and get the flights in and
64 ADent : It was my understanding that most airlines charge the $150 change fee, plus the difference in fare, whereas WN charged just the difference in fare. O
65 SNCntry32 : I dont follow you. NW isnt DL. They can do what they want until they are DL. The only way this merger has even started is by allowing employees to no
66 DeltaL1011man : Sounds like you need to call your cable company Like I said when it comes to the big stuff like selling planes, close hubs laying off large groups of
67 FlyABR : i was talking about a ticket office where the agents don't have to worry about getting planes out on time...
68 Warszawa : So true. Additionally, there are still so many people whom refuse to purchase anything via the web (paranoia for identify theft, etc.). I have a webs
69 SNCntry32 : I dont quite follow you. DL dosent own NW yet. Steenland still runs NW, not Anderson. Do you mind showing me something that says NW has to ask Anders
70 Falstaff : Who cares? How many Elites actually pay for their own tickets? My dad and girlfriend both have elite status, Neither one of them spends a dime of the
71 DeltaL1011man : Ha funny My so called love for Delta is about to take me right over to CO or AA. Personally I can't stand alot of the stupid stuff Delta does. I am s
72 Boston92 : Then drive to the vacation destination. I just shipped a 1.5 pound package to Great Britain and it cost me $40. About a year ago, that same package w
73 DeltaL1011man : I never said that everyone could pack everything in a carry on.......I hunt and I golf and sometimes i have to check bags but it makes me try not to
74 NorthstarBoy : no, at all the airlines except WN it's the fare increase plus 150 dollars. at WN it's just the fare increase, which in my mind is still a "change fee
75 Propjett : Does it really matter what line item on a balance sheet the money is applied to? I think all that matters is the figure at the bottom of the balance
76 GSPSPOT : Duh.... The point most sane people are making here, is that there should be ONE, SINGLE price paid for a ticket from A to B, PERIOD. That price shoul
77 Goaliemn : Southwest is running low on hedges. Every year less and less the hedges are being used up Do you honestly think anyone is selling hedges at a discoun
78 Mayor : How is it DIShonest? They're telling you upfront that the fee is there.
79 Mayor : Your continued reference to Leo is laughable. If I read your profile correctly, you were still in high school or junior high when Leo left, so you di
80 Bobnwa : I agree totally, but what can you expect from someone who continually uses there instead of their.As far as NW getting DL permission for its decision
81 Airzim : This would ensure precipitating going out of business even faster. It's not even worth debating because it's indefensible on so many levels. I'm sure
82 PHLBOS : To be technically accurate, the process of being bumped to a higher less-advance-notice fare that ALL carriers (including WN) do when revising a rese
83 Isitsafenow : You kiddies keep forgetting the past vs. the present.......and future. When the change fee first showed up in the mid ninties, it was $15.00 bucks. I
84 Falstaff : So I guess airlines are really only in the business of moving the business traveler who doesn't actually pay out of their own pocket. People want to
85 Goaliemn : but you know the fees from the website before you go to the airport.. much like how you can weigh a box at home and get a rough estimate of what it'l
86 Boston92 : Not if is more expensive. There are still "those" people who book via orbitz and just look for the cheapest fare. Also, I said this before, but I thi
87 FlyABR : what the airlilnes should do is charge for carry-ons and keep checked bags free. that way everybody checks their bags...and the plane loads and unload
88 Falstaff : That makes a lot of sense. I see way too many people bringing all kinds of stuff on board that should be checked anyway. They find it doesn't fit and
89 FlyABR : you bring up an interesting point. i usually fly out of my home airport, and that means that 99.9 percent of the time it's a saab 340. the overhead b
90 PSU.DTW.SCE : Prove it. 1) Few business travelers check bags 2) Offsets the devaluation of frequent flyer miles 3) Elite passengers that fly often for business do
91 KingAir200 : Still free, and let me tell you, even since we've begun charging for the second bag, it seems like we've had an increase in gate checks.
92 NWAESC : Same thing in my city....
93 AirNZ : But you do know how much it is going to cost before you book it, or at the very least have the common sense to find out! How much more babysitting do
94 Nwaflyer : Maybe they will use the money to pay off the state of Minnesota. Lets not forget the almost 300 million NWA owes the state of MN once the headquarters
95 Post contains links SkyguyB727 : Amtrak charges $361 for a one way, coach class seat from New York-Penn Station to Los Angeles. That fare includes nothing except a coach seat and a f
96 FFlyerWorld : Would NEVER happen! CO is no position to buy anyone. Just look at their cash on hand and also if anyone does any buying - they - CO - are not part of
97 SkyguyB727 : With the advent of Internet booking and electronic ticketing, domestic airlines in the US closed their CTOs years ago. They became obsolete.
98 Ocracoke : Huh? Don't you fly for free because your mom works for DL? And if so, why would you want to start paying for your CO and AA flights when you pay noth
99 Evan767 : Correct, he compares Anderson to Grinstein because that's all he can remember from when his passion for Delta started. He has just 'learned' about Le
100 Airzim : I'm not suggesting that at all. DeltaL1011Man, stated that NW execs have to go through ATL for approval on major decisions, one of those being is NW
101 DeltaL1011man : No main reason I will end up not flying Delta is I wont fly any more airbus. Plus why should I fly DL so Anderson take money (for NOTHING!!!) when he
102 Joeman : Problem is the "special" people who attempt to carry their oversized and often multiple bags and trunks on board the plane.
103 FFlyerWorld : These figures below were released April of this year and as we all know the price of oil continues to climb so these figures will go down. However yo
104 Evan767 : I agree, he was an exceptional CEO. One of a kind. However, you can't compare Anderson to him. Anderson is doing a fine job. Didn't he take 10M in st
105 KingAir200 : Checked bag counts have gone down, but OJIs have gone up. Instead of 100 small bags, we now have 50 monstros. Certainly. Airbus aircraft are the most
106 SNCntry32 : When someone continues to make childish remarks and say outlandish statements without being able to back them up, we will certianly pull the age card
107 AirNZ : Can I ask why?
108 KingAir200 : IIRC, his second cousin's aunt's ex-husband had a "bad experience" on one once. Or was that the DC-9?
109 GSPSPOT : Just be big boys about this and work it ALL into one, fair price. It isn't rocket science!
110 SkyguyB727 : I can, and do, go on European holidays of seven to nine days with nothing more than my crew rollaboard bag and a small bag for another pair of shoes.
111 NWAESC : Not really.... I took everything I needed for a week vacation for both me and my 2 year old in a crew rollaboard (I bought diapers when we got there,
112 DLPhoenix : You can also change your underwear at half your normal rate or wear the same t-shirt you wore yesterday. I prefer to check in luggage and carry less
113 Nwaesc : Or pack judiciously, or plan on doing a little laundry, or.... No need to rerun anything if you don't want to.
114 Mayor : As much as Gerry did, don't forget that he was on the board committee that hired Leo in the first place as well as the executive compensation committ
115 MasseyBrown : It's tough to be an airline analyst this year; those numbers were out of date a week after he printed them. AMR, for example, in mid-June forecast $5
116 Burnsie28 : Like really? What are wrong with the Airbus'? The A330 is a very comfortable plane and the A320 is a lot better than the 737 in terms of cabin comfor
117 FlyABR : the a330 is nice...the a320 is only slightly bigger than the 737...but, that said there is a noticeable difference between it's aisle width vs 737/75
118 FlyABR : ya know, it's not like i'm a chic checking 3 huge bags for a weekend trip to vegas! i am packing conservatively and all i'm asking is for a fee-free
119 Bobnwa : Burnsie, his statement was just an adolescent outburst. No one with any true aircraft or airline knowledge could seriously make that remark. He was l
120 PSU.DTW.SCE : That you still get - international flights are not subject to the 1st checked bag fee. However, try going on that one-week ski trip in EGE without ch
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