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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2639 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

Welcome to another exciting debate on Caribbean Aviation:

Part 39

Caribbean Aviation News and Update


  • Air Jamaica has new Board and Management in place; Mrs Williams ramains Chariman with less authority, and David Banmiller is new CEO.
  • Air Jamaica and Cayman Airways in talks for code share agreement.
  • Bahamasair begins to charge for 2nd bag US$20 on all international flights. The airline is also looking at replacing its aging fleet of 732s with more efficient a/cs.
  • Guyanese pax disrupts Delta Deplaning in GEO, passenger opens plane’s emergency exit at Timehri.
  • AC to stop YYZ-POS flights from August 31st, citing that high oil prices are behind the cuts.
  • The runway of Aruba's International Airport has recently been extended by 60 m and better iluminated to create extra safety zones for aircraft that have trouble during take-off and landing.
  • KY and LAN in a JFK ATC row over what is called a near miss by the controllers.



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Thank you guys once again for the forum posts...Please keep it positive and respect the "opinion" of forum members..

For all those that are doing summer flying keep it safe and leave the flying to us.


All ah we is one family
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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

Hey guys....announced

December 15: CM starts PTY-AUA 4x weekly E90.



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User currently offlineFlyGuyAlex From Netherlands Antilles, joined Apr 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7199 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):

So December 15? Nice!  Smile


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7184 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
Air Jamaica and Cayman Airways in talks for code share agreement.

Hmmm odd but i can see this is more in favor for JM to do this. However I doubt KX will want JM stealing some of their profits on one of our best routes! JMs service is terrible to GCM!

Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
KY and LAN in a JFK ATC row over what is called a near miss by the controllers

This i think has been blown out of proportion. By listening into the controllers now i think it wasnt anywhere near the major incident the news was making it out to be!


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7176 times:
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Quoting Albird87 (Reply 3):
Hmmm odd but i can see this is more in favor for JM to do this. However I doubt KX will want JM stealing some of their profits on one of our best routes! JMs service is terrible to GCM!

They will co-operate on the flights between GCM, US and Jamaica....
To reduce cost and improve efficiency, flights between Jamaica and GCM will be code-shared.....Other intentions will see JM feeding pax to GCM through the MBJ hub and operating nonstop US services to GCM....

The delays will get worse this summer as the aircrafts are doing lengthy rotations.....The A321 is scheduled for GCM, due to its cargo capacity....Even though the airline makes revenue from pax seats..Cargo is their cash cow....



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
December 15: CM starts PTY-AUA 4x weekly E90.

I just don't understand why CM isn't going for CUR, really I just don't understand it. CUR has more potential than AUA which is tourist oriented alone. CUR has the freezone traffic that will find connection to PTY's freezone a welcome connection. Why on earth is CM now going for AUA and why are they just not looking at the potential of CUR?! Both freezones can benefit from a nonstop connection. I just don't get it, I really don't.

A388

[Edited 2008-07-10 10:05:03]

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7130 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
I just don't understand why CM isn't going for CUR, really I just don't understand it. CUR has more potential than AUA which is tourist oriented alone. CUR has the freezone traffic that will find connection to PTY's freezone a welcome connection. Why on earth is CM now going for AUA and why are they just not looking at the potential of CUR?! Both freezones can benefit from a nonstop connection. I just don't get it, I really don't.

CM does their homework, so I guess the see something there....I would suspect that if AUA works CUR will not be far behind. IF they can make CUN work from PTY more than daily then for sure they can make AUA work on a E-190 4X

Maybe CM sees a high end leisure traffic....Central American like to travel to the beach and AUA is well known (like CUN)



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7131 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
I just don't understand why CM isn't going for CUR, really I just don't understand it

Me too A388, as CUR is hardly just a tourist destination. Hopefully, we'll see that big plane with the Hummingbird on it flying POS-CUR-PTY, or POS-CUR-SDQ. Anyone knows how CM is doing in POS?


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7117 times:
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Drunken Guyanese passenger faces lifetime flying ban


GEORGETOWN, Guyana: Delta Airlines has placed a lifetime ban on a Guyanese man who travelled on one of its flights under the influence of alcohol and created panic among other passengers.

On July 4, Christopher Satyanand, a first class passenger on the Delta flight to Guyana from New York, deployed the emergency exit safety latch aboard the aircraft because, in what was said to be a drunken fit, he could not wait to use the stairway to deplane.

People on the ground said that the plane had already come to a halt and people had begun to deplane when they heard a loud explosion. To say that the passengers on the stairways were startled would be an understatement, a member of the ground crew said.

The employee said that he looked up to see Satyanand at the top of the escape chute holding his attaché case and about to slide down the chute, which he did and landed on the tarmac.

“When the man came down he told the people that were around that his father is rich and that he could pay for any damage.”

The man’s father operates a gas station at Non Pareil, East Coast Demerara.

Satyanand was said to have boarded the aircraft with alcohol purchased from a duty free shop in the John F. Kennedy International Airport. In the first class cabin, he was served with a customary round of drinks.

Head of Delta Airlines in Guyana, Captain Gerry Capt Gouveia, said that under such conditions whenever the flight attendants serve drinks, people with their own supplies would drink as much as five times what is served.

Asked about the likelihood of the flight attendants not paying enough attention to the passenger whom they had to know was under the influence, Capt Gouveia said that there might have been a clash of cultures and that the flight attendants would have preferred to avoid an incident with the passenger.

He added that the airline is likely to react by banning Satyanand for life, as other airlines, including Zoom, have had to do to some Guyanese from time to time. Capt Gouveia said that Satyanand’s behaviour cost the airline a lot of money.

Delta was required to fly in another aircraft from Texas, execute repairs to the blown escape chute and accommodate the outgoing passengers for more than 24 hours at hotels in the city.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7112 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 8):
Delta Airlines has placed a lifetime ban on a Guyanese man who travelled on one of its flights under the influence of alcohol and created panic among other passengers.

Thanks for keeping us updated on the DL incident in GEO. Hopefully he's banned from all BW flights too.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7091 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 6):
Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
I just don't understand why CM isn't going for CUR, really I just don't understand it. CUR has more potential than AUA which is tourist oriented alone. CUR has the freezone traffic that will find connection to PTY's freezone a welcome connection. Why on earth is CM now going for AUA and why are they just not looking at the potential of CUR?! Both freezones can benefit from a nonstop connection. I just don't get it, I really don't.

CM does their homework, so I guess the see something there....I would suspect that if AUA works CUR will not be far behind. IF they can make CUN work from PTY more than daily then for sure they can make AUA work on a E-190 4X

Maybe CM sees a high end leisure traffic....Central American like to travel to the beach and AUA is well known (like CUN)

CUR is both tourism oriented and has the freezone. It's really a pity that not many foreign countries recognize the potential CUR has. Effords and marketing are being done to promote CUR but still the interest seems low. A pity.

A388


User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
December 15: CM starts PTY-AUA 4x weekly E90.

Hey guys,

As Yellowtail mentioned it, CM will start on Dec.15 with 4 weekly, M, Th, F, and Sa service. Sorry, I couldn't mentioned this before. A388, I knew you were hoping for this flight to CUR. I think this is a route that 9H and 7I might take under consideration.

In July we will welcome Air Italy with a weekly service from MXP. We might have some others on our way...be pending.

Later

[Edited 2008-07-10 11:23:45]

User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
CUR is both tourism oriented and has the freezone. It's really a pity that not many foreign countries recognize the potential CUR has. Effords and marketing are being done to promote CUR but still the interest seems low. A pity.

A388

I do agree with you, CUR has the the laws that allow foreign trade which is the basic to build a financial city. However, IMO, Tourism Board, Gov't and Hotel Association, etc have to work as a team and market CUR as a financial destination.

AUA747

[Edited 2008-07-10 11:25:10]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Flying high, Caribbean Airlines celebrates new service to Ft Lauderdale; below is a link to an article in the Guardian about the free promotional flights that BW operated on June 25, 2008.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/bussguardian5.html


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7056 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):

December 15: CM starts PTY-AUA 4x weekly E90.

Excellent for Aruba, suprised it's not CUR first!

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
CUR has more potential than AUA

From a business traffic point of view. Perhaps Cm feel that there are enough high-end leisure tourists to AUA to make the route viable.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 6):
CUR will not be far behind.

If they stall on the CUR route, I hope another airline manages to exploit its potential, because I expect the trade and business community is eager for such a link.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
Hopefully, we'll see that big plane with the Hummingbird on it flying POS-CUR-PTY, or POS-CUR-SDQ.

I've always thought that SDQ given the links that have been forged between it and POS would be a viable route for BW. However, the Dash8 is has too little cargo capacity and the 737 is over capacity I think. This is why I think CAL is evaluating their fleet needs- to start new think routes such as SDQ etc.

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 12):
market CUR as a financial destination.

CUR faces an uphill battle here against regional powerhouses Panama, T'dad, J'ca and Santo Domingo all establishing financial centres/ hubs in their respective capital cities. Also from the literature available on the net, it appears as if they are trying to establish their hub all alone. They are far too small and (not to sound harsh) but insignificant in the region to establish a solo hub. They should look at a strategic partnership with PTY or act as a spillover for T&T or Jamaica. They will never attain the prevalence in the region as a financial destination competing with the regional powerhouses. Even J'ca has realized this and has been asking the IFC in POS to enter into strategic partnerships to reduce competition.

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7040 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 14):
However, the Dash8 is has too little cargo capacity and the 737 is over capacity I think. This is why I think CAL is evaluating their fleet needs- to start new think routes such as SDQ etc.

Agreed, the E90 would be more efficient for BW's expansion in the future.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 12):
However, IMO, Tourism Board, Gov't and Hotel Association, etc have to work as a team and market CUR as a financial destination.

AUA747

This is already being done.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 14):
Excellent for Aruba, suprised it's not CUR first!

My point exactly!

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 14):
because I expect the trade and business community is eager for such a link.

Again this is my point exactly! I just don't understand CM in this regard.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 14):
They will never attain the prevalence in the region as a financial destination competing with the regional powerhouses.

For an island the size of CUR we are pretty well known as a financial destination and our tourism is increasing pretty well too. CUR has been pretty well known for its trade for years, even though it is not as big as T&T and Jamaica of course. Those islands are far bigger than CUR of course but still CUR is doing pretty well as a financial destination in general.

And let's be honest, which island in the Caribbean would not want to create its own solo hub. Aren't we all? Co-operation offer much more potential but eventually it all boils down to having your own slice of the market.

A388

[Edited 2008-07-10 12:40:30]

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7028 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
I just don't understand CM in this regard.

To there defense, they are a well run airline and their decision would be made based on extensive market research. So what might seem like an obvious choice (CUR over AUA) to us, might not be so in actuality. That said, I don't think there is very much hidden from us in this regard. perhaps The Aruban Government was more aggressive or offered concessions. Or perhaps there were hotels in AUA that guaranteed business, or package deals. Who knows. But one thing is for sure. The CUR announcement cannot be that far off!!!!!

AA1818



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 17):
The CUR announcement cannot be that far off!!!!!

Let's hope so. We have been saying this for about a year or more now....

Constellation flew the route but this airline seemed to have done a bad marketing job on promoting the route. Their 757 was also way too big for the route.

A388

[Edited 2008-07-10 13:18:36]

User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

I think the E-170 is a good pick for KX. The management team isn't stupid... The E-170 would do far more than serve the Brac, although it will be far more economical to operate the Brac routes with the E-170 than with the 737-300.

This aircraft would bring increased operating efficiency to Cayman Brac: lower costs and probably a net gain in seats offered to the island (and therefore a win-win for KX and Cayman Brac). In addition, the two or three weekly CYB-MIA flights and possible a once weekly CYB-MBJ-KIN flight will serve the local population well and will allow tourists interested in a direct flight that option. If they wanted, they could still connect in GCM and take a twin otter...I'm sure those wont disappear from the route.

It would also give KX more flexibility out of GCM. TPA, MIA, KIN, and MBJ all go through periods where an E-170 can provide extra capacity. In the off season, the aircraft can also operate those routes instead of the 737-300, again reducing costs. Furthermore, it opens up opportunities for KX to serve markets in which the 737 is overkill most of the time, like Honduras and the Bay Islands, Costa Rica, and Panama.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 3):

Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
Air Jamaica and Cayman Airways in talks for code share agreement.

Hmmm odd but i can see this is more in favor for JM to do this. However I doubt KX will want JM stealing some of their profits on one of our best routes! JMs service is terrible to GCM!

This is probably more in favour of CAL. No profits would be stolen from CAL or they wouldnt agree to it. But it would offer passengers traveling between GCM and MBJ/KIN a more pleasant journey and lower costs for both airlines. In other words, the hundreds of passengers that AJ will inevitably strand week after week will be happy to fly Cayman Airways on time, on schedule. And it would benefit Cayman Airways if Jamaicans could walk into an Air Jamaica ticket office or check in counter and buy a Cayman Airways ticket. Similarly, Caymanians would be able to connect more easily to other cities via JM's MBJ or KIN hub. Doesn't make any sense for the two to compete when they can complement each other. And raise fares together.

It would probably then make even more economic sense to add that weekly E-170 service from CYB to MBJ and KIN  Smile As well as those additional services to central America, with all those KIN based passengers transiting through GCM.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6980 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 4):
They will co-operate on the flights between GCM, US and Jamaica....
To reduce cost and improve efficiency, flights between Jamaica and GCM will be code-shared.....Other intentions will see JM feeding pax to GCM through the MBJ hub and operating nonstop US services to GCM....

Ok co-operating between GCM and MBJ/KIN sounds reasonable.
However, JM and KX travel to most of the same destinations so why the heck would I want to go over to MBJ or KIN to get to my destination? Also its a bit of an odd way to travel IMO when MIA is right up the way and you can then get more connections so it seems to me that its just a bit odd. Anybody else maybe see my side of this?
Also as i have said before, JMs flights to GCM here are terrible! There so few and far between! If you ever want to travel from GCM to Jamaica, take KX! they have at least a daily service when JM keep on cancelling flights and i think last month had maybe 5 flights to here!


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6949 times:



Quoting Caymanair (Reply 19):
The management team isn't stupid...

Isn't KX under supervision or getting assistance from Lufthansa Consulting or has their work been completed?


Will the KX eventually replace their 733 fleet with more ERJ170s or even ERJ190s? The ERJ170 is a much more efficient aircraft compared to the ageing 733s but it has less cargo capacity, is that correct? How important is cargo for KX in their network, I assume for a route like MIA the cargo revenue can be quite important. Do Caymanians (is that the correct word?) take the kitchen sink and refrigarators (or even typically their entire house as customary with Caribbean natives) along on the KX flights? If so the ERJ170 and maybe even the ERJ190 can be too small....

A388


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6941 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Thanks for keeping us updated on the DL incident in GEO. Hopefully he's banned from all BW flights too.

The North American Airlines crews who operated the JFK-GEO flights shared the same sentiments...They mentioned it as their most challenging route....LOS had more favourable reviews.....

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 20):
However, JM and KX travel to most of the same destinations so why the heck would I want to go over to MBJ or KIN to get to my destination?

Travelling from GCM.....Think of the direct links offered to POS,ANU,SXM,GND, BGI and other Caribbean destinations...LI also codeshares with JM....The MBJ hub had worked perfectly with GCM...There is no reason to doubt the success of it's resurrection......

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 20):
Also as i have said before, JMs flights to GCM here are terrible! There so few and far between! If you ever want to travel from GCM to Jamaica, take KX! they have at least a daily service when JM keep on cancelling flights and i think last month had maybe 5 flights to here!

There has been improvements in their schedule to GCM.....Looking at todays schedule..I am still fazed as to why KX has 3 flights to Jamaica....IMO, an over-kill....Now I see why they need a joint venture...

[Edited 2008-07-10 16:11:16]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6929 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
The North American Airlines crews who operated the JFK-GEO flights shared the same sentiments...They mentioned it was their most challenging route....

Interesting, are Guyanese passengers that demanding? I remember being on a BW flight where two Guyanese men got into an altercation in-flight, (I'm sure alcohol consumption had something to do with it), and the BW cabin crew acted quickly by placing one passenger in front of the aircraft, and the other in the last row of the aircraft.


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6902 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
Isn't KX under supervision or getting assistance from Lufthansa Consulting or has their work been completed?


Will the KX eventually replace their 733 fleet with more ERJ170s or even ERJ190s? The ERJ170 is a much more efficient aircraft compared to the ageing 733s but it has less cargo capacity, is that correct? How important is cargo for KX in their network, I assume for a route like MIA the cargo revenue can be quite important. Do Caymanians (is that the correct word?) take the kitchen sink and refrigarators (or even typically their entire house as customary with Caribbean natives) along on the KX flights? If so the ERJ170 and maybe even the ERJ190 can be too small....

Cayman Airways and Lufthansa Consulting parted ways a while ago, and the airline has been implementing the recommendations put forward by Lufthansa and the airline's board. This included revamping the salary structure, cutting FLL, IAH, and BOS, starting the NYC service, increasing flights to Jamaica (which stand at less that twice daily at the moment), subcontracting out the cargo operations, and re branding the company. The 733 is the replacement aircraft for the 732 and only one 732 remains in the fleet. The 733 will be here for some time yet.

Caymanians do travel with the whole house in a box, so the E-jets exclusively couldn't do the job in certain markets, but in markets that depend mostly on tourist arrivals they are certainly more efficient than any 737.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):

There has been improvements in their schedule to GCM.....Looking at todays schedule..I am still fazed as to why KX has 3 flights to Jamaica....IMO, an over-kill....Now I see why they need a joint venture...

Well the demand is definitely there...and they are turning a profit on the route. They manage to fill a 124 seat aircraft on a 30 minute flight that costs US$300-400 roundtrip, and the bags and cargo on the route make a significant chunk of cash. Jamaicans are the largest expat community in the Cayman Islands, and Cayman (once a colony of Jamaica) maintains very strong ties with Jamaica.


25 A388 : Okay thanks for the explanation. Also, is there a market between GCM and SJU? Maybe even on charter basis? The ERJ170 would be a good aircraft for th
26 SCL767 : I would say there is a greater market between GCM and PLS/BDA; given the heavy financial sectors between these three British Territories.
27 Beeweel15 : On a serious note what will it really take to merge the carriers of the Caribbean and give these foreign carriers a run for their money.
28 SCL767 : Beeweel15, that's a great question, (I loved that BWIA/Air Jamaica Boeing 727 that operated years ago); and I also wonder why some islands don't prom
29 AirJamaica : Albird87, KX currently doesn't fly to MCO, FLL, ATL, LAX, PHL, BWI, ORD, YYZ, BGI, CUR, NAS, HAV or GND. Neither does it have a code share agreement
30 A388 : I was thinking the same last week and even started thinking how all Caribbean airlines can co-operate or unite to better compete and even take advant
31 HummingBird : *Disclaimer* Without trying to stereotype....I will provide the feedbacks on the GEO services... Most passengers are amicable....The challenging pax a
32 Caymanair : Just nitpicking...but KX flies to HAV very regularly. Its one of the few routes that covers its costs and then some. A single Caribbean carrier built
33 Caymanair : Here are two scenarios that I believe could result in a much larger carrier: 1) If Air Jamaica were to undergo a similar transformation as BWIA did an
34 SCL767 : Sorry for putting you on the spot. I was thinking if Jamaica wants to gain Chinese and Russian tourists, (which is a bit far-fetched), why not look i
35 AirJamaica : The KX website needs updating as it does not depict HAV as a destination served by them under the Our Gateways > Home> Travel Information page. Neith
36 SJOtoLIR : CM has proven to be successful in the Caribbean and most likely sustained in connections from Central and South America. It might be a nice addition
37 A388 : I just expected CM going for CUR before going for AUA. AUA really surprised me and I still don't understand it. A388
38 JM079 : For the summer KX is operating daily service to HAV but ORD is not at all a destination that they provide service to.
39 Caymanair : ORD is seasonal I believe, winter service only. Can the E-Jets make it to ORD from GCM?
40 SCL767 : Yep, for example AC uses the E-jet on YYZ-FLL.
41 AA1818 : Just my 2cents on a 'regional carrier'. We will NEVER see one hub in the Caribbean. Some islands rely on tourism and need non-stop flights. Other isla
42 Post contains links SCL767 : Indeed, Caribbean Airlines' (CAL) director of marketing, Francois Pariseau, has resigned. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_business?id
43 JM079 : Yes, it can. Of Interest, ORD might have been a part of there routing in the past winters but there isn't anything in the GDS for the upcoming winter
44 Post contains images HummingBird : At this time, there is no need to have a single Caribbean carrier....The effort lies in the carriers operating codeshare flights so as to allow acces
45 JM079 : Britian is really serious about imposing visa restrictions on Trinidad nationals and even though this was discussed here earlier, it seems as if thing
46 Post contains links SCL767 : Hopefully we will see a direct service between MBJ and POS in the future. "LIAT willing to take up the slack", here is the link to an editorial artic
47 JM079 : Well, JM does have supporters out there. Here is one, Wilberne Persaud - Financial Gleaner Columnist ............"So, we come back to Air Jamaica. All
48 SCL767 : AA is not dropping FLL. AA will still fly to DFW, ORD, KIN, SJO, and PAP out of FLL. Buenos Aires is not seeing cuts; just a transfer of frequencies
49 Post contains links Caymanair : It seems Cayman Airways is losing another valued member of the executive team. Hopefully someone at least as good can be found to replace him. Cayman
50 SCL767 : At last's week's Caricom Heads of Government Summit in Antigua and Barbuda, Jamaica's Prime Minister Bruce Golding is credited with identifying, "the
51 BWIA 772 : Personally my only problem with BW LI thing is that threat to the BGI hub but as was explained to me BGI right now has enough international traffic t
52 A388 : Having enough traffic is one thing, having a hub is another. While BGI very well has enough traffic, the close proximity between BGI and POS will mea
53 HummingBird : Statistics for Jan,08. Trinidad.. BW 8624....8409...JFK-POS .....98% 5236...4400....MIA-POS.......84% AA 12803...10931.....MIA-POS.....86% CO 1463....
54 Trintocan : So the talk once again is about regional airline co-operation. I think that while a full merger is very difficult to envisage because of the small and
55 AA1818 : Thanks for posting the figures HummingBird!! ...as always, much appreciated.... While I'm excited bout CAL's successes since it's conception, I remai
56 Jlbmedia : Hi guys. A question for you. Why has Air Jamaica been operating an Extra Airways 737-400 on its PHL route? I have seen it for the last couple of weeke
57 Beeweel15 : Maybe to provide lift for that route while the other aircraft are deployed to the provide more lift on heavier traveled routes.
58 JM079 : HummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 479 posts, RR: 0 Reply 201, posted Wed Jul 9 2008 01:29:15 your local time (4 days 12 hours 15 minutes ago
59 AA1818 : It seems that JM always leases in planes for the peak periods. One wonders though why they choose many different types of a/c and do not simple try t
60 Post contains links and images A388 : As far as I know one all-white A321 was returnt to JM but don't know why it was not painted (no money?). When I first saw these all-white JM birds I
61 Beeweel15 : Done by many airlines during peak times to increase lift. Those aircraft are going to be used for very short periods of time then returned to their l
62 SCL767 : Speaking of, has Caribbean Airlines decided not to wet-lease the 738, (all-economy class) from Transvania?
63 Beeweel15 : That was a mess. It was maxed for 189 pax folks complained about how uncomfortable it was etc. That plane was for short hops of under two hours in Eu
64 SCL767 : I figured since 9Y-SLU came online, and we're almost half way through the season, it would be redundant. I would have liked to see BW take on DL at G
65 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Regarding 6Y CMG that aircraft went to Eirjet the aircraft was never painted in a full Eirjet livery but had the JM humming bird along with the pink
66 HummingBird : Based on the fact they have not reduced services to the major English Speaking Caribbean Destinations; we can assume the yields are satisfactory....
67 AA1818 : Really? Not here in POS. DL sponsor one Golf Tournament in the year and besides that you hardly hear them mentioned on the radio. Never see them on T
68 Post contains links Bloodyrascal : North American Jet Charter Group on Friday announced the availability of its Very Light Jet service between airports in South Florida and Nassau, Baha
69 LIA310 : DL did place advertisements in local newspapers when they launched flights into POS from ATL but I haven't seen any other advertisements since then.
70 SCL767 : I have yet to see a Delta advert in POS. DL entered POS, (from JFK) at the right time last winter. On a side note, I don't think they need to adverti
71 HummingBird : Their advertising strength is online travel sites.....They are taking advantage of the modernisation of online booking programmes.....Its amazing to
72 BWIA 772 : Hi Humming Bird I know the aircraft is still with JM saw it the other day heading into Adams International however I i thought she head left the flee
73 AA1818 : Hmm. Do you think they will keep it? Cheers for that info. Glad DL is at least promoting on the net, and i'm even happier that their loads have picke
74 A388 : Maybe it's because they do their marketing in their market, the U.S.? In CUR there is also no foreign airline who promotes their fares in any media t
75 Caymanair : As of yesterday, the remaining AJ A340 was still sitting idle at Kingston. How long has it been sitting now? I travel to KIN very regularly and it's
76 AirJamaica : As Humming Bird said those all white "hybrid" JM aircraft were subleased to other carriers in order to generate additional income as there was a dema
77 Caribbean484 : Hey guys this is an update to Hummingbird's stats Trinidad and Tobago Caribbean Airlines POS-JFK 15389pax, 17248seats. 89.2% load factor POS-MIA 8325p
78 SCL767 : Thanks for the stats. BGI-MIA seems to have dropped off a bit. On a side note, I wonder how long NK will operate its weekly FLL-SXM-FLL service befor
79 AirJamaica : AA does not fly non-stop from KIN/JFK anymore. Assuming you meant KIN-MIA. Thanks for stats.
80 HummingBird : As Air Jamaica stated, to reduce cost..The previous operator did a wonderful upgrade with the cabin...F has all leather seats.... IMO..Its best to pa
81 2travel2know : CM thru its hub makers CUN and PUJ work, 2 markets widely known as leisure destinations. Maybe is the same strategy CM is pursuing with AUA. Bear in
82 Caribbean484 : Hey guys, just came back from a Conference in Chicago, I really like that state lol, sorry I have not been posting. Also this Friday I will be making
83 A388 : It makes the route unattractive for CUR traffic yes but Insel Air also has PTY in their expansion plans. A388[Edited 2008-07-14 19:36:14]
84 SCL767 : I believe NK's weekly FLL-SAP-FLL service is preforming poorly too. I'm sure GEO is on their list; however, I wonder if they might consider BGI, or e
85 Caribbean484 : BGI-FLL will not work because there is almost no VFR market there in Borward county or in the Miami area. For NK to make BGI to work they need to enc
86 SCL767 : Agree, that's what I was thinking, so GEO would be a priority! And also certain cities in Columbia and Ecuador too.
87 Post contains links SCL767 : "T&T to pay $78m towards construction of St Vincent Airport," here is the link to the article. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id
88 Caribbean484 : NK will focus more on the South American markets, there are more opportunities there than there is in the Eastern Caribbean. GEO has a good VFR popul
89 MAH4546 : Weekly? It fluctuates between 3w on off-peak and daily during peak. Um, no it wasn't. They aren't even seeking Temporary Blanket Dormancy. They are s
90 Post contains images SCL767 : Sorry, meant to say San Salvador, (ZSA) not SAP. Thanks for correcting me, they are seeking an Exemption. "Spirit Airlines, Inc. applies for an exemp
91 MAH4546 : That's a weekly charter service operated on behalf of Club Med. Spirit just sells off the excess capacity to the public. That flight is absolutely gu
92 Post contains links HummingBird : Caribbean Aviation News CAL CEO quits..... http://www.caymannetnews.com/news-8610--1-1---.html As always internal conflicts......Recently there has be
93 AUA747 : Here in AUA the only foreign carries that do advertising in local papers is AA and KL. On another note I just been informed that Simeo Garcia owner o
94 LIA310 : 9Y-SLU is used on all routes, not just FLL.
95 A388 : Yes this news appeared in one of our local newspapers a few months ago but nothing has been confirmed yet. Yes, this was known about a month ago or m
96 2travel2know : If NK wants to serve GEO, it'll have to be at least 5 weekly, one crew can't possible fly FLL-GEO-FLL due to the flyingtime. But if AA starts GEO bef
97 A388 : For now yes but when Insel Air starts the route there is no need to fly via AUA. A388
98 Caribbean484 : I know, I was saying that my first part of the trip will be with 9Y-SLU from FLL-POS. If I have to measure the flying time to GEO-FLL it will be an a
99 HummingBird : DC-9....Apparently they have a love for the classics........ It is possible for the crew to have this particular pairing....Based on their LCC concep
100 SCL767 : Interesting, thanks for the clarification. Some international crews have 12 hr limitations, varies by carrier, ( e.g. BW POS-JFK-POS). Let's hope AA
101 A388 : My apologies, the registration should be YV2242. Apparently, they are a large DC-9 operator for a long time now. Fuel prices should also not be a pro
102 Caribbean484 : Oil in Venezuel is about US$0.40 per gallon, now for JetA I am not sure but from what i know, Jet fuel in Venezuel is at very reasonable prices. The
103 LIA310 : Travelspan and Constellation are both dead, they haven't done any flights for some months and don't have any flights planned.
104 SCL767 : NK could operate the 2 segments as 9.5 block hours with a 1 hour turnaround. Agreed, NK is not going anywhere. I wonder if BW will maintain POS-FLL-P
105 Caribbean484 : Yep there is a large demand for the flights, they will maintain the daily services till January next year until the schedule changes for the carnival
106 SCL767 : Good to hear; btw I noticed a Caribbean Airlines billboard by Broward Blvd.
107 HummingBird : I just called, they only sell air only and package travel to GEO...They use carriers such as BW/DL from JFK, Skyservice from YYZ and BW from FLL.....
108 HummingBird : Previously mentioned by JM79..Here is the official statement from VS...... I wonder if BA would reconsider the MBJ-LGW route? Virgin Atlantic to incre
109 SCL767 : Maybe a LGW-KIN-MBJ-LGW flight. HummingBird, did BA operate a flight with this routing in the past? Good news for MBJ and Jamaica as a whole. Will VS
110 JM079 : BA regional manager for the Northern Caribbean last year said BA would have increased there service to KIN if they were the successful bidder for the
111 Caribbean484 : Its still uncertain if they will, it all depends on what exactly happens at the Tobago Hilton. I don't think that will be a wise decision, too much w
112 HummingBird : During the early 90s when BA deployed their 747s...The routing was LGW-MBJ-KIN-LGW..The aircraft was then switched to a DC-10 operated by Flying Colo
113 JM079 : Hahaha/funny Remember, also there is large expat British community in Jamaica and BA is there preferred carrier.
114 SJOtoLIR : Movements for NK FLL-SAP-FLL throughout the year: Before May 01st: NK FLL-SAP-FLL. 3x weekly. May 02nd - August 10th: NK FLL-SAP-FLL 7x weekly. Augus
115 Beeweel15 : Why should it all depend on the Tobago Hilton. As a matter of fact Hilton no longer is associated with the property now. If done right they could hav
116 SCL767 : Thanks for the mini-history of BA in Jamaica. I believe Virgin Vacations sold packages with the Hilton.
117 Caribbean484 : Because there is a certain number of room guarantee that VS has requested from the GROTT when they first started to operate flights to the island. If
118 Post contains links SCL767 : Interesting article about BW's Fuel Hedging in the Guardian today. "Fuel hedging protecting Caribbean Airlines," here is a link to the article for tho
119 AirJamaica : VS did this last year as well. As Humming Bird said for several years BA had cross island flights in Jamaica with the B747, DC10 and B777. When I was
120 Post contains links SCL767 : According to the Trinidad Express, BW's CEO hopes that Caribbean Airlines breaks even this year. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_busin
121 Post contains links HummingBird : Irie!!! During tha mid 1990s. My Saturdays were spent in the waving gallery at MBJ...Awaiting the 747s of Tower Air, TWA, AC and BA..... ............
122 AirJamaica : Used to do this as well at KIN growing up. Used to spend the entire day just watching JM's A300's and B727's in action, as well as AA's A300's, B757'
123 JM079 : In the last 1980's Air Jamaica was also using AER LINGUS 747 on the KIN JFK run so it was quite a sight to see BA 747 on the ramp at NMIA with EI 747
124 SCL767 : Well guys, looks like AA will be getting rid of all of their A-300s, "AMR has decided to retire all 34 of its A300 aircraft by the end of 2009, compar
125 JM079 : Do you think that would be a prudent move on there part bearing in mind that they are more concern about there financial bottom line. Plus, a redeplo
126 SCL767 : Given that the A-300 operates 2x daily MIA-SDQ-MIA, its a strong possibility that a 777 will do one flight . PAP will definitely see a 763, and I wou
127 HummingBird : Good Days....Its a pity we had to loose the waving galleries.... I am not sure, but I think it was also used to FRA and London..... IMO... CCS is a p
128 JM079 : I stand corrected. Here is some info that I came across about the history of some there previous destination. ......"The 70’s marked an era of rapi
129 SCL767 : AA will have at least 4 T7s and a few 763s sitting at MIA during the day in between its deep S. America flights. I can see CCS, SDQ, and even MAR goi
130 WestIndian425 : I'm kind of surprised that JM is doing worse than the others considering the "Official Airline of Barbados" moniker that JM acquired some years ago.
131 MAH4546 : No, they don't have many free 777s. One goes to LAX; one does a daylight to GRU; others will turn to Heathrow and Madrid.
132 SCL767 : Everything is just in a state of flux, I was thinking that the 1 SCL, 2 EZE, and at least 1 GRU sitting in MIA could be used. I totally forgot about
133 A388 : When AA retires their A300s I see more 763s being used to the Caribbean region, replacing both A300 and some 757 flights. The 777 being used to the Ca
134 SCL767 : I think JM is done; and the GOJ will subsidize foreign carriers to fly into Jamaica. BW should attempt to reinstate 432/431 GEO-BGI-MIA before anothe
135 JM079 : JM as brand is here to stay, and that is a position that the government in Kingston believes in. Now, it can not continue to operate in the same mode
136 SCL767 : I didn't know that the GOJ would subsidize AA's ORD-MBJ 5x weekly service, and also DFW-MBJ, and MIA-MBJ 3x daily. However, it makes sense since JM i
137 JM079 : I honestly can tell you that tax-payers in Jamaica will not be subsiding the following routes ORD MBJ and MIA MBJ. Presently, JM and UA are the only
138 SCL767 : It just doesn't make sense for AA to start ORD-MBJ 5x weekly out of the blue, when both JM and UA currently fly the route; unless JM is pulling out o
139 Post contains images SCL767 : Hopefully, by next year Caribbean Airlines will look something like this, (with service to CCS, CUR, and SDQ also).
140 A388 : Actually that is the current Caribbean Airlines network with CCS still missing obviously. You will need to add CUR and SDQ to that photo to reflect n
141 Post contains links HummingBird : $10-$15 million spent on upgrading the facility at Lynden Pindling Airport.. http://www.thenassauguardian.com/national_local/54076193243160.php JM sti
142 Post contains images SCL767 : No, it's not the current route map, it was the first route map published by Caribbean Airlines. This is Caribbean Airlines current route map:
143 SCL767 : Indeed, the GND route looks full in F on some flights. How is the KIN-BGI-JFK route doing with premium passengers? JM really needs to update their ro
144 BWIA 772 : That would be nice but I don't see an increase in service to BGI anytime soon!! Seems that CAL is more interested in GEO than BGI, as a result any ex
145 SCL767 : I think if BW wanted to fly to the U.S. from GEO; they would not be able to do it non-stop daily. A GEO-BGI-MIA routing seems logical. Correct me if
146 Caribbean484 : They would do this not daily because they already have GEO-POS-JFK daily, if and when they go nonstop GEO-USA they would do like 3 or 4 weekly. GEO-B
147 BWIA 772 : The recent tax increases in GOB has to do with its debt and last time I checked food was not subsidized. The new GOB stopped the subsidy on fuel pric
148 SCL767 : Indeed, the U.S. economy is in serious trouble and many Americans simply can't afford to take vacations. BGI is lucky in terms of UK arrivals though.
149 Post contains links HummingBird : Its a successful route for JM.......It is a success as the market segmentation allows a high premium load and strong revenues from cargo ......I was
150 Captaink : That eastern Caribbean sector is on of JMs most lucrative route. In peak seasons both islands get their dedicated flights. As mentioned, the flight g
151 HummingBird : Caribbean states to benefit further from PetroCaribe KINGSTON, Jamaica, CMC – Caribbean countries that are signatories to the Venezuelan oil initiat
152 2travel2know : Would PetroCaribe have anything to say on the prices of jet-fuel for sale on the Caribbean Islands. Are those market driven or not?
153 SCL767 : With AA coming to GND soon, JM's yields will take a hit. Good news.
154 SCL767 : Sorry for the double post, but it looks like BA will be increasing its frequency on the LGW-TAB route to 3x weekly come this winter, I heard the yield
155 Caymanair : Not particularly aviation related, but why is this? It would be very beneficial to the two countries. If I was Trinidad, I would rather import cheap
156 Captaink : To some extent yes, but their markets are quite distinct. The MBJ run will take a hit, the JFK run will be ok. The MBJ flight was never a strong sell
157 SCL767 : "Some PetroCaribe member countries have the option of paying partially for oil with services or goods such as rice, bananas and sugar.To help boost a
158 SCL767 : The problem is JM is accumulating heavy debts that is costing the GOJ severely. "Jamaica hopes to rid itself of the loss-maker by March 2009, which,
159 JM079 : I was looking at some chart elsewhere in this forum and I notice that BA will increase service to the Caribbean except for Barbados which will see a
160 SCL767 : Air Canada operates into PLS from YYZ and YUL; also during the winter WestJet provides charters to PLS from YYZ. Bahamasair serves PLS from NAS with
161 Trintocan : While BGI sees a frequency reduction from 10 to 9 777-200IGW's per week, remember that there will be a seat gain as the long-standing daily flights wi
162 Wadadli : BA has operated 3X weekly for the winter and 2X weekly in the summer to TAB via ANU for at least the last three years.
163 SCL767 : BA is operating differently this winter in the Caribbean. BA2156/BA2157 will operate LGW-ANU-TAB 3x weekly, LGW-ANU-GND 2x weekly, and BA2256 will op
164 Post contains links HummingBird : Looks like Caribbean Sun is planning a comeback... http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...ntDetail&d=DOT-OST-2001-11164-0024
165 AirJamaica : Sorry if this was already discussed but what is the reasoning behind LHR-NAS-PLS as opposed to LGW-NAS-PLS ? I am thinking this route probably attrac
166 JM079 : I notice that you have JM on some sort of death watch, which curiously flies counter to everything that is been done to streamline the airline. Perha
167 MAH4546 : NAS, PLS, and GCM (which is also a tag-on to NAS on certain days) are more premium markets than others. There is also a good amount of banking traffi
168 SCL767 : My major problem is that the Jamaican taxpayer is going to end up suffering because of the extreme incompetence of JM's previous board of directors.
169 Post contains links JM079 : You and I feel the same rage when I see the extent of the losses that JM has been allowed to incur over these many year but where we differ is along
170 SCL767 : This is currently underway in POS, where former PM Panday is charged with corruption for stealing millions from the new Piarco Airport. For every pro
171 Bloodyrascal : Virgin Atlantic tried a weekly LGW-NAS service and it didnt last too long. " target=_blank>http://www.thenassauguardian.com/nat...0.php At least they
172 Bloodyrascal : yo Westjet is starting NAS-YOW service i dont know when the date is thought but it says it on the site
173 2travel2know : When I see JM routes and schedules, I only can think that JM flies mainly to please the Jamaican (read Jamaica northern coast / MBJ) hotel and resort
174 Post contains links HummingBird : Caribbean Aviation News.. ............................................................................................................................
175 Lorgem1 : Although I visit and read this site on a regular basis, this is my first post. I had my first flight on CAL last week - YYZ to POS return. I just have
176 WestIndian425 : That would be funny, but I'm sure that wouldn't happen. These people have friends in high places. I hope they invest in a fuel pipeline to the airpor
177 Bloodyrascal : I dont understand what JM is doing seriously. Drop ORD and PHL already open up some more profitable routes from KIN. make it a secondary city
178 2travel2know : I understand that MBJ-LAX-MBJ can't be flown with one crew, but most likely a daytime MBJ-ORD-MBJ or MBJ-YYZ-MBJ could.
179 Trintocan : The main reason the NAS route, which then has the tags to GCM and PLS, is flown from LHR and not LGW is that BA uses the 767-300ER on these flights (i
180 HummingBird : Yep..Nassau is a good performer...The company will not go daily due to the lack of aircraft and the desire to have better yield control.....The delay
181 SCL767 : Current fuel prices, current labor costs, costs associated with operating one single flight into ORD, the fact that there is a crew layover in ORD, e
182 Caymanair : Although I'm not sure when the service began, KX had a small operating base in PLS which was closed completely in 1993. Cayman Airways had a daily ser
183 SCL767 : Thanks for clarifying Caymanair, much appreciated. One of my good friends is from PLS, (she was actually born in GCM though), and she told way back i
184 JM079 : The non-political approach that is now practised at Caribbean Airline with regards to the running of the company seems to have the desire effect of ac
185 AUA747 : Hey guys, Today we had a CO B757 returning back to AUA with one engine. The weird thing, its the second for this week. Last tuesday, the captain decla
186 A388 : Knowing that you work at the airport, it surprises me you don't know which aircraft were involved. That shouldn't be hard to find out, right? A388
187 Post contains links HummingBird : To capture the midwest traffic...AA route network will allow them to feed more conections into ORD... As I previously mentioned, you have to look at
188 AirJamaica : Totally agree. If ORD was such an unprofitable route it would have been axed long ago. It is not JM's most profitable route but it does serve its pur
189 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Aruba is ranked as the second best regional airport taking into account Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean, based on the 2008 SKYTRAX World Air
190 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : For the last few days while at work here at JFK airport I noticed 6Y-JMD has been parked at on of the remote parking areas at Terminal 4. She would be
191 A388 : That's nice but what do these awards really say? How many airports in our region participated in this award? Which airport in our region have partici
192 AUA747 : Well I wasn't at work at the time, I was just called to be on standby. I'll have the details on monday.
193 HummingBird : Maintenance issues...The aircraft has been there since Monday....The entire schedule is f****d....Last week Xtra Airways had the same issue...Their a
194 Captaink : I am waiting for you guys to substantiate your comments about these cities being money looser. It is just being said, but where did you get that info
195 JM079 : Your arguments reflect reality, as the perception that is gleamed from all the other point of view on here states that JM is operating without any fo
196 SCL767 : If their routes are making money, then why has JM loss over $80 million US this year so far, (and currently have accumulated losses exceeding $1.2 bi
197 Post contains links SCL767 : Yesterday this was posted in the Jamaican Gleaner, "Commentary: Air Jamaica sale a prescription for more misery." "Our airline, the editorial tells u
198 WestIndian425 : All of the other point of views?
199 AirJamaica : Actually UA has been on that route for some time now in addition to many other charters that fly the route during the winter months. You don't seem t
200 BWIA 772 : Also lets not forget that Prime Minster Bruce Golding did say that the GOJ will have to absorb the JM debt which makes the carrier a much more attrac
201 SCL767 : Yes, I do, they are most likely looking for other US carriers to subsidise in order to operate into MBJ and decrease JM's presence there severely. Yo
202 Captaink : I am still waiting on proof that ORD and PHL are unprofitable. What you said there is true, but doesn't really substantiate your claim. I am going ou
203 SCL767 : Is this a premium route? Mostly leisure mixed with some VFR. And they better brace for a hit in yields in GND with AA coming soon.
204 AirJamaica : Do you really think the GOJ is going to solely depend on subsidizing US carriers to fly into MBJ and haphazardly just reduce JM services from there ?
205 Captaink : Becuase it is VFR/leisure means it is unprofitable? What a strange way of thinking. I already explained the GND situation in a previous post no need
206 SCL767 : Yes, due to current fuel prices and the fact that the U.S. is in a recession; this route should be slashed. I completely understand where your coming
207 AirJamaica : I do not live in Grenada but I am certain that most of the traveling public there prefer the convenience of flying to JFK nonstop on JM than to conne
208 Post contains links HummingBird : New forum......... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4073492/
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